Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


an_old_friend wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:

I can any definifation I care to I don't have to choose the same one as
you do

When your "definifations" mean something other than what is commonly
accepted, you make it impossible to communicate with others. Of course
you've pretty much done that with your misspellings and grammatical
abortions.


only to narrow minded people that everything spoon fed to them

Gee, Mark, don't you get it? You are one of the narrow minded people
who wants to be spoon fed. You want amateur radio to be easier in order


No not at all, I want the ARs to respect the liberites of all Americans
myself included

Manure! Nothing in amateur radio takes away any of the "liberites"
granted by the Constitution.


the code test does indeed do so

As with any number of things of late, you're simply wrong.

IYO opinion

doesn't make it so


you want to deprive american of their rights if they don't jump though
the same hoops you did

You have no Constitutional right to an amateur radio license.


I have a right to anything not denied to me by the constition of the
USa unless regulated by treaty since the constitution of the US and the
treaties we sign are the supreme law of the land

Oh, you have a right to attempt to pass an amateur radio exam but you
aren't guaranteed success. The "constition" doesn't address or regulate
motor car licensing but you still have to pass a test in order to obtain
a driving license. It can be revoked by your state or denied if you
have a medical or mental condition rendering you a hazard to others.
Deal with the fact that you don't a right to something simply because
you want to do it.

But to use your analogy I am propected from making me take a test on
the use of the Buggy whip in order to drive



Nothing in the Consittution allows the FCC to cintinue codetesting ,
and nothing in the treaty gives it that power there the power does not
exist in law

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents the FCC from administering a
morse code test for amateur radio licensing. You have no right to an
amateur radio license.

Nothing gives it he power to impose an uneeded test

I have a right to a fair test

I opose hazing ritual frat boy rituals for access to the public
airwaves

I opossum your view.


and the Constitution of the US

Okay, I opossum the Constitution.

You support frat boy **** and don't bother to use language as you
demand I do




to accomodate you. You want explanations about 5 MHz modes to be in


No I want people to answer questions aksed instaed of droning on about
irelavant garbage

Everything you needed for an answer was right before you--spelled out.
That, of course, might have been the problem. Next time, ask Hans for
the aural version.


not it wasn't

Yes, Mark, it was. Your repeated denials of reality are just making you
look stupid.

He did not answer the question of wether CW was premitted


Hans has spent a couple of weeks ont eh suject of what is a band that
is waste

To try explaining it to you was certainly a waste.


do understand what I am saying when I type 60m Band or not?

Yes, you mean the spot frequencies which are not a band at all.

then stop your whining becuase that is all it is whining



Mark-sized chunks. You want all others to have to try to decipher your


can't you read it is a matter of indifference to me read or don't read
at your pleasure



hieroglyphs rather than you doing the work to post messages in



properly-spelled and grammatically correct English. You'd like folks to
guess as to how you'll define terms which have a specific meaning to all
the rest of us.


Really then form Stevie the NBA and NFL are lying ervy years when they
say they are holding a draft

Do you know the difference between a military draft and an NFL or NBA
draft? Were you being drafted by either the NFL or NBA? The definition
of both types of draft is the same, by the way.


nope it isn't at least ot according to Stevie

I don't know Steve's views on the NBA or NFL draft. I do know what
you've written previously about being drafted. Now we're to understand
that you didn't actually mean "drafted".

never said that either as I then a year later , and a few days ago I
using the word in other senses. That you and Stevie are hung out on one
meaning is not my fault. I have also admitted the use was unforunate
but you are just in attacking



no one has yet to come up with a term other than band to describe 60 m
doesn't stop setvie and hans from going on and on about how wrong it is

Hans gave you a term to use. There is no 60m band by definition.


and yet you, steve and Hans know better than the ARRL and W5YI

Yeah, it surely looks that way. It certainly won't be the first time.

such humility


Dave K8MN

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
I can any definifation I care to I don't have to choose the same one as
you do

When your "definifations" mean something other than what is commonly
accepted, you make it impossible to communicate with others. Of course
you've pretty much done that with your misspellings and grammatical
abortions.


only to narrow minded people that everything spoon fed to them

Gee, Mark, don't you get it? You are one of the narrow minded people
who wants to be spoon fed. You want amateur radio to be easier in order


No not at all, I want the ARs to respect the liberites of all Americans
myself included

Manure! Nothing in amateur radio takes away any of the "liberites"
granted by the Constitution.


the code test does indeed do so

As with any number of things of late, you're simply wrong.

IYO opinion

doesn't make it so

Here's a plain, simple fact: The license requirements are
determined almost entirely by someone's opinion.

For example, why is the written test for Extra 50 questions
rather than, say, 100? Or 25?

For that matter, why do Advanceds an Generals have to take the
same test to upgrade to Extra?

The Advanced and Extra licenses don't add any bands, modes or
power level to General privileges. Why is more testing required
for those licenses?

Etc.

In all cases the reason is the same: FCC's opinion says it's
a good idea.

you want to deprive american of their rights if they don't jump though
the same hoops you did

You have no Constitutional right to an amateur radio license.


I have a right to anything not denied to me by the constition of the
USa unless regulated by treaty since the constitution of the US and the
treaties we sign are the supreme law of the land

An amateur radio license is a privilige, not a right.

Oh, you have a right to attempt to pass an amateur radio exam but you
aren't guaranteed success.

Exactly.

The "constition" doesn't address or regulate
motor car licensing but you still have to pass a test in order to obtain
a driving license. It can be revoked by your state or denied if you
have a medical or mental condition rendering you a hazard to others.
Deal with the fact that you don't a right to something simply because
you want to do it.

But to use your analogy I am propected from making me take
a test on the use of the Buggy whip in order to drive

That's true - but buggy whips aren't used much on the roads of
America by people driving cars. Morse Code is very extensively
used on the MF/HF amateur bands by radio amateurs operating
amateur radio stations.

The "buggy whip" argument just doesn't hold up. A more valid
argument would be that you don't want to have to answer
questions on driving at night, because you only intend to
drive in the daytime, nor questions on driving in ice and
snow because you live in a place that rarely if ever has
those weather conditions.

Nothing in the Consittution allows the FCC to cintinue codetesting ,
and nothing in the treaty gives it that power there the power does not
exist in law

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents the FCC from administering a
morse code test for amateur radio licensing. You have no right to an
amateur radio license.

Nothing gives it he power to impose an uneeded test

Whether a test is "needed" or "unneeded" is a matter of
opinion. Nothing more or less.

I have a right to a fair test

That's true. "A fair test" means that everyone applying for
a license at a particular time has to meet the same basic
test requirements.

IOW, if someone has a Ph.D in EE, or is a member of some
organization or other, they don't get a pass on the exam.

I opose hazing ritual frat boy rituals for access to the public
airwaves

I opossum your view.


and the Constitution of the US

Okay, I opossum the Constitution.

You support frat boy ****
and don't bother to use language as you
demand I do

Your example is not one to be emulated.

to accomodate you. You want explanations about 5 MHz modes to be in


No I want people to answer questions aksed instaed of droning on about
irelavant garbage

Sounds like "internet disease" to me - the desire to have
everything spelled out in custom-made explanations rather
than having to look anything up or exert some mental
effort to understand the available information.

The refusal to use a spellchecker when one is obviouslysorely needed is
a clear symptom.

Everything you needed for an answer was right before you--spelled out.
That, of course, might have been the problem. Next time, ask Hans for
the aural version.


not it wasn't

Yes, Mark, it was. Your repeated denials of reality are just making you
look stupid.

He did not answer the question of wether CW was premitted

Yes, he did. By direct quote of the relevant sections of
Part 97.

If you won't make the effort to use correct grammar, spelling,
punctuation and capitalization, why should anyone make the
effort to answer your questions?

If you won't make the effort to look up the relevant rules and
understand them, why should anyone make the
effort to answer your questions?

an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Manure! Nothing in amateur radio takes away any of the "liberites"
granted by the Constitution.


the code test does indeed do so

As with any number of things of late, you're simply wrong.

IYO opinion

doesn't make it so

But in this case he's right.

Neither you or any other person has been denied their
Constitutional rights due to ANY Amateur examination.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents the FCC from administering a
morse code test for amateur radio licensing. You have no right to an
amateur radio license.

Nothing gives it he power to impose an uneeded test

Uneeded in YOUR opinion.

I have a right to a fair test

It IS fair.

The FCC will allow almost ANY accomodation for the test other than
just paying someone to tkae it for you.

I opose hazing ritual frat boy rituals for access to the public
airwaves

I opossum your view.


and the Constitution of the US

Okay, I opossum the Constitution.

You support frat boy #### and don't bother to use language as you
demand I do

He was using YOUR style, Mark.

What's a matter?

Having trouble understanding it?

Everything you needed for an answer was right before you--spelled out.
That, of course, might have been the problem. Next time, ask Hans for
the aural version.


not it wasn't

Yes, Mark, it was. Your repeated denials of reality are just making you
look stupid.

He did not answer the question of wether CW was premitted

Yes he did.

Why do you continue to blatantly lie when Hans' post is archived
for all to see?

do understand what I am saying when I type 60m Band or not?

Yes, you mean the spot frequencies which are not a band at all.

then stop your whining becuase that is all it is whining

No, it's correcting your misconceptions.

I don't know Steve's views on the NBA or NFL draft. I do know what
you've written previously about being drafted. Now we're to understand
that you didn't actually mean "drafted".

never said that either as I then a year later , and a few days ago I
using the word in other senses. That you and Stevie are hung out on one
meaning is not my fault. I have also admitted the use was unforunate
but you are just in attacking

It's not "one meaning".

It's that you lied.

Ask any American citizen what "drafted" means in military terms,
and they will tell you it means involuntary conscription, or words to
that effect.

no one has yet to come up with a term other than band to describe 60 m
doesn't stop setvie and hans from going on and on about how wrong it is

Hans gave you a term to use. There is no 60m band by definition.


and yet you, steve and Hans know better than the ARRL and W5YI

Yeah, it surely looks that way. It certainly won't be the first time.

such humility

Facts are facts.

If I (or any person, for that matter...) is "right" but not part
of some "organization", does it make it any LESS "true"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Manure! Nothing in amateur radio takes away any of the "liberites"
granted by the Constitution.


the code test does indeed do so

As with any number of things of late, you're simply wrong.

IYO opinion

doesn't make it so

But in this case he's right.

nope

Neither you or any other person has been denied their
Constitutional rights due to ANY Amateur examination.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents the FCC from administering a
morse code test for amateur radio licensing. You have no right to an
amateur radio license.

Nothing gives it he power to impose an uneeded test

Uneeded in YOUR opinion.

then defend it as needed


I have a right to a fair test

It IS fair.

nope no fairer than a buggy whip test



The FCC will allow almost ANY accomodation for the test other than
just paying someone to tkae it for you.

I opose hazing ritual frat boy rituals for access to the public
airwaves

I opossum your view.


and the Constitution of the US

Okay, I opossum the Constitution.

You support frat boy #### and don't bother to use language as you
demand I do

He was using YOUR style, Mark.

not realy


What's a matter?

Having trouble understanding it?

no


Everything you needed for an answer was right before you--spelled out.
That, of course, might have been the problem. Next time, ask Hans for
the aural version.


not it wasn't

Yes, Mark, it was. Your repeated denials of reality are just making you
look stupid.

He did not answer the question of wether CW was premitted

Yes he did.

nope


Why do you continue to blatantly lie when Hans' post is archived
for all to see?

why do you lie about my reply


do understand what I am saying when I type 60m Band or not?

Yes, you mean the spot frequencies which are not a band at all.

then stop your whining becuase that is all it is whining

No, it's correcting your misconceptions.

no misconceptions


I don't know Steve's views on the NBA or NFL draft. I do know what
you've written previously about being drafted. Now we're to understand
that you didn't actually mean "drafted".

never said that either as I then a year later , and a few days ago I
using the word in other senses. That you and Stevie are hung out on one
meaning is not my fault. I have also admitted the use was unforunate
but you are just in attacking

It's not "one meaning".

It's that you lied.

Ask any American citizen what "drafted" means in military terms,
and they will tell you it means involuntary conscription, or words to
that effect.

as an american citzen myself your staement falls down


no one has yet to come up with a term other than band to describe 60 m
doesn't stop setvie and hans from going on and on about how wrong it is

Hans gave you a term to use. There is no 60m band by definition.


and yet you, steve and Hans know better than the ARRL and W5YI

Yeah, it surely looks that way. It certainly won't be the first time.

such humility

Facts are facts.

but only if they are facts


If I (or any person, for that matter...) is "right" but not part
of some "organization", does it make it any LESS "true"...?!?!

your point?

Steve, K4YZ