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August 1st 05, 05:22 PM
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August 1st 05, 06:23 PM
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him. Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of it. Some examples: Do you mean something like your own claims that you've had a several decades interest in amateur radio and the one about getting the "Extra right out of the box" and your subsequent statements about having no interest in obtaining an amateur radio license? True! Google archives have the proof in them, in thousands of personal-insult messages generated by Stebie...with only a few (perhaps a dozen at most) which are actual discussions devoid of personal attacks at somebody. Watch it, Leonard. That sword cuts two ways! That would disturb Stebie's fantasy. He wants the nicely-ordered military-style discipline he is no longer a part of...one where everything is explained and laid-out, no room for deviation from the precise order of things. He can fit into that. However, if the environment changes, he gets very upset and angry. He can't handle disagreements with his opinions, tries to defend himself (no need in normal discussion not about a person) by issuing a series of personal insults directed at his perceived "accuser." Wow! That must seem like something straight from your past, Len. You don't handle disagreements with your positions and you defend yourself in a series of personal insults, directed at your perceived "accuser". In fact, a fitting profile of your likely actions was put together by N2EY. break There is, nor has there ever been, a SINGLE "correct" way of doing things in amateur radio. Amateur radio is NOT a military branch and the ARRL is NOT a directive-issuing "headquarters" (no matter what some like to believe). Congrats. That's a familiar and masterful statement of the obvious. realy you find it obvous and yet stevie doesn't Any "need" to hold tradition tight and fast, to "work" stations in a particular mode (such as radiotelegraphy) is purely personal perception. I don't know how you operate your amateur radio station, Len, but I don't use tradition in working other stations. If a station I want to work is using CW, I use the same mode to QSO him. If he's using SSB, I use that mode. If he is using FM, I use that mode. Your own personal perception seems skewed by your lack of amateur radio experience. Hewing to one particular way of doing things is NOT indicative of some kind of expertise in anything. Interesting, Leonard. So, just because others use CW to call a station CQing in that mode, is no reason that you'd have to do so. You could, for example, use FM. That would certainly show us your level of expertise. But, the old rank-status-privilege class consciousness of the old six-class license system suits the ordered, disciplined military psyche. One "works up through the ranks" (in some folks' perception) even though the hobby is just a hobby, not a job, not a branch of the military, not part of a union or craft or guild. Nope. There's no union, craft or guild. Then again, nobody has claimed anything like that. You might see similarities between the six class licensing system and the new three-tiered system. You'd still have to work your way through the ranks and you'd still receive additional operating privileges as you went through those ranks. It CAN be a fun hobby, an interesting personal recreation, ...or so you've been told. break ... but having to march in ranks to some saber-rattling control freak's idea of what constitutes "real" ham radio is NOT a recreation. Such is more like a variant of sado- masochism. Maybe amateur radio just isn't for you. but S&M has little to do real ham radio except in the twisted visions of many hams Radio is radio. Masterful. Dave K8MN |
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August 1st 05, 08:39 PM
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From: "an old friend" on Mon 1 Aug 2005 09:23
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Jul 29, 10:07 am K4YZ wrote: b.b. wrote: K4YZ wrote: Snarly Stebie doesn't do much else in this newsgroup but boast generalities of a non-specific nature while generally insulting everyone who doesn't agree with him. Snarly Stebie's version of "truth" is whatever he wants to claim on any particular day. He has NO references on any of it. Some examples: [Judge Heil does a nice bit of SELECTIVE EDITING there in order to attempt more on-line perfidy...] Do you mean something like your own claims that you've had a several decades interest in amateur radio and the one about getting the "Extra right out of the box" and your subsequent statements about having no interest in obtaining an amateur radio license? Mark, the above is consistent with "Heah com' de Judge" Heil to attempt discrediting anyone disagreeing with his god-like opinions. The word "interest" is unquantified and subjective, the subjective being both emotional and intellectual. But, Heil attempts to concentrate ALL RADIO into the realm of amateur radio in his statements that I was (implied) "interested in amateur radio." He failed to understand that MY INTEREST was in ELECTRONICS (radio is a subset within that generic grouping) since 1947 but that was NOT some kind of deep, soul-grabbing, lifetime career goal to achieve ONLY in licensed amateur radio. My original "lifetime career goal" was to be an illustrator (that's an artist who draws/paints things as they are), using a born aptitude for art/illustration. I began work (for money) at that prior to military service. However, my military assignment put me into the 3rd largest U.S. Army HF Communications Network transmitter station of the 1950s, a 24/7 operation relaying about a quarter million messages a month over three dozen and more high-power HF transmitters. That plus a delayed (installation priority of equipment) exposure to multi-channel microwave radio relay equipment as well as all the facets of Big Time communications of that era changed my career goals so that, by 1958, I had changed my major study (and campus) from Art to electronics engineering...while being employed full time in southern California aerospace industry. I've retired from regular hours in that, but still work from time to time at electronics design engineering. [yes, I've done some illustration from time to time (for money, of course) just to keep my hand in that, plus (unpaid) practice, but that is due to an aptitude and skill in that field] Now David Heil, Judge of the Lowest Court of Arrogance, wishes to "sentence" me on some artificial charges of moral perfidy because I DID NOT BECOME AN AMATEUR *FIRST*! :-) Tsk, his personal vilification insults (from being disagreed with early on in here) ORDER me to DO AS HE SAYS I MUST! :-) Tsk, tsk, I do not have the glorious Time Machine apparently possessed by James Miccolis to travel back in time to alter my Life Goals. Further, I have NO WISH to subjugate myself to Heil's COMMANDS nor his moral edicts on WHAT IS GOOD and WHAT IS NOT GOOD in anything. My original goal in THIS NEWSGROUP about seven years ago was to attempt some influence on ELIMINATING THE MORSE CODE TEST REQUIREMENT for U.S. amateur radio licenses. What I've encounterd is an almost KKK-like good-old-boys-club of Mighty Macho Morsemen who all seem to be control freaks of major status, ultra-conservative RADIO BIGOTS who stop at nothing to preserve THEIR PERSONAL DESIRES in federal regulations of a virtual HOBBY radio activity. These Mighty Macho Morsemen are guilty of moral perfidy and unbending status-quo-ism in absolute vilification of ANYONE who does not agree with them. The MMM denizens of this din of inequity are hypocrites as well as radio bigots...they are "free" to personally insult anyone they so choose, yet NONE are free to do the same to them. Instead of discussion and debate on regulation ISSUES and SUBJECTS, we are "treated" to an outpouring of personal insults, out-of-context quotes, and, in a few cases, outright falsehood statements by these self-enobled "keepers of (some) faith" all in the interest of maintaining THEIR elite status of rank and privilege and long tenure in U.S. amateur radio. But, these elitist morsemen have ultra-thin computer-modem "skin" and their "sensitive" emotional states forbid ANY criticsm of THEM. THEY are sacrosanct, not to be touched while they freely roam and throw insults at their disagreers as early barbarians did in subjugating other people in other lands. ALL MUST SUBJUGATE themselves to THEIR points of view and MUST NEVER act as they do back at them! Tsk, tsk. These morsemen do not understand that they are NOT universally "loved" nor are their opinions "truth" always! They are delusional in thinking that all those who disagree with them are "wrong." They are in denial and are frozen in the antiquity of hobby radio standards and practices. There is no point in trying to argue the SUBJECT with THEM, just to bear up under the onslaught of personal denigrations they hurl at disagreers. The "radio sport" in HERE thus becomes the usual mud-slinging Flame War unfortunately common to all of USENET and any Internet message forum. So, Judge Heil "conveniently forgets" certain past statements, pulls out others OUT of context, and thus manufactures some Moral Perfidy commited by a disagreing individual. He cannot argue the SUBJECT...all he can do is attempt insult on individuals to win "message points." He wins NOTHING. Stebie Robeson is another, though he appears so far gone in his visible-syndrome psychosis and reality-fantasy confusion that he be beyond redemption, certainly beyond discussion or debate. Fortunately there is WT Docket 05-235 before the Commission and the Comments so far (184 as of mid-Sunday) are running about 3:1 in favor of dropping the morse code test for an amateur radio license. This will be the "equalizer" to put the amateur radio "servicemen" almost on the same playing field (or battleground as many seem to think) and there may be some break in the rancor and bile from the elitist ultra-conservative status-quo-ists. dit bah |
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