From: interpreter for da masses on Aug 2, 4:02 pm

Michael Coslo wrote:
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Or perhaps FCC thinks that anybody who really wants HF should just go
for General or Extra.

But what would be the rationale of giving the priveliges of a class that
tehy chose to remove (not test for, and eventually merge with
Technician) earlier?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, Mike.

05-235 isn't just an NPRM, and it isn't just about Element 1.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...the FCC says WT Docket 05-325 is an
NPRM and only intends to do something with Test Element 1.
They are the LAW in regards to U.S. civil radio. Are you
being a LAW-BREAKER?

It's
actually FCC's response to the 18 petitions, and denies most of
what was requested, with explanations of FCC's reasoning.

Tsk. After two years of very NON-consensus-viewpoint
petitioning on a "mere" EIGHTEEN Petitions, you are
now going to give everyone the "real reasons?!?"

Do we congratulate you on your new LAW degree?

The Notice of Proposed Rule Making is quite clear to me.
They provide a lot of material THEY used to reach THEIR
decisions. But, you have the "real reason" perhaps from
the legendary Sylvia Browne's channeling? :-)

For example, FCC states that they see a 3-license-class system
as the correct number of license classes to work towards. They
specifically deny four-class and two-class suggestions (sorry, Hans -
FCC obviously read your ideas and disagreed).

Tsk. The FCC listed all 18 Petition numbers in the NPRM
heading, throughout the body of the text, and at the end
where they had bold-faced type saying in part either
"...IS DENIED" or "...IS GRANTED, to the exten indicated
herein."

Is that somehow too complicated or are you reading someone's
tea leaves that threaten a deep dark conspiracy?

Yet at the same time FCC doesn't want free upgrades, giveaways, more
complexity in the license structure, nor anybody to lose privileges.

Did they ever? [except for the creation of CB which all
God-fearing Hams thought was the armageddon of radio to allow
ordinary non-code-tested civilians to actually transmit on
the sacred HF]

Is ANYONE "losing privileges" if the subsequent R&O reflects
the NPRM?

What IS your beef, little ham?


FCC also doesn't see any need for a new entry level license, nor changes
in the subband structure, nor big changes in the written test methods.

All this is spelled out in detail in 05-235. It's not speculation nor
interpretation.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you are INTEPRETING all over the place, Jimmie.

One by one, almost all the proposed changes are denied by FCC.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...read those later pages again, Jimmie.

Only EIGHT Petitions were denied. TEN were granted to the
extent indicated therein. There is NO WAY CLOSE to "almost
all denied" that you state.

All that
is left up for grabs is the one remaining code test, which FCC proposes
to eliminate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. The FCC still has all those Petitions and
still has roughly six thousand Comments on them. They CAN,
and sometimes HAVE resurrected matters that were once denied
and then granted them at a later time. I don't claim to be
a legal beagle but the HISTORY of many, many decisions is
easily readable by ordinary literate people.

As I've said before, I'm surprised it took FCC this long. When FCC
wrote in the R&O for 98-143 that the only reason Element 1 was being
retained was the treaty, the future was pretty clear.

Jimmie, you have ASTOUNDING retrovision, at least 20-10 in
Hindsight!!! :-)

Tsk, tsk. Turn back the clock just a little ways to 1998 and
check on your own postings in regard to FCC 90-53. Recall
that one? That was about the creation of the NO-CODE-TEST
Technician class. In the year 1990, the FCC said (essentially)
that morse code ability was NO indicator to them insofar as
being licensed. Imagine, a mere 15 years ago.



It's clear where FCC wants things to go. Start out the beginners on VHF/UHF,
offering HF/MF as the big incentive to get a General. Those who want those
little pieces of HF and a fancy callsign can go for Extra.

Tsk, it's NOT CLEAR in WT Docket 05-235. That NPRM is ONLY about
deletion of the morse code test. There is NO "treaty" thing
[ITU-T S25] that says all administrations MUST give morse code
tests to license applicants who with below-30-MHz privilege
licenses.

"Beginners" (what you PCTA extras call your "lower classes")
were once the NOVICE class licensee. Remember them? That's
what the "Novice" name means, isn't it? Novices had some HF
privileges. But, long after their creation, the Novices were
DROPPING OUT. Those Novices MAY have upgraded, but it's
obvious not all were doing so...and NEWCOMERS were NOT getting
in via that Novice route! Then, in 1991, the "no-code" Tech
license got granted. But, under that "treaty" (the OLD S25)
they could NOT OPERATE BELOW 30 MHz! S25.5 was not changed
until 12 years LATER. [amazing but true...it is history]

The "no-code" Tech class license proved to be IMMENSELY
POPULAR to "beginners" and even those with years of radio
experience in OTHER radio services because there was NO code
test! [that may be hard to believe for you but it is true
and IS history in the FCC databases] Popular enough that
(roughly) 200 THOUSAND no-code-test Technicians joined the
"amateur community" (on the outskirts in the ghettos where
you PCTAs think they belong). The Novices (the original
beginners) kept on dropping in numbers, dropping, dropping
until - finally - an Epiphany of Reality dawned on the
Newington gods of radio and they "officially" dubbed the
no-code-test Technician class the ENTRY CLASS! [not as
a "beginner" or other lowly term you elitists love, but
ENTRY CLASS]

The NPRM does NOT change/alter/modify ANY OTHER regulations as
to class, nothing at all but the regulations about the MORSE
CODE TEST. That is ALL that WT Docket 05-235 is about.

Try, please TRY to understand that. Others do, why can't
you?

try cry