sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.

agreed they would not bother getting the license thye just priate a few
sets of call letters, it thier operation looked clean (hiding the
terror content) the FCC could weeks or months (years?) to notice


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it, they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
sorry it should read:

AL-Queda, or any other terrorist group wouldn't use the hams bands
anyway,
they would go out to the local Wal-mart and buy GMRS radio off the
shelves. Any terrorist, spy or what ever, isn't going to worry about
going through the process of getting a license, or even applying.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it, they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

There's a better chance they would use a cellphone with an ecryption
device then a radio, or get their information through carriers and
given the information in person. The encryption rules have been on the
books since the 30's. Amateur's can uses digital codes as well as
unspecified codes above 30 MHz.


Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

Well, they might pick up cell phones, I would caution them NOT to. There is no
form of communications so well logged.

Also, each cell phone registers at each call with an assigned code which is
kept track of--false codes are ignored... you don't make a call unless they
know who you are and where you are...

No better way to locate someone than to have them carrying a cell phone, even
when they think it is off it is finking on 'em and maintaining contact with the
nearest 3 towers, if available, strange, but that is exactly the minimum number
to triangulate their exact location...

Drug dealers are very, very leery of cell phones... too many have been busted
for using 'em!

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...
N9OGL:

Hmmm, kinda sounds like they might even be CB'ers!!!

However, I think it just sounds like that because of the way you said it,
they
are on the internet, no doubt...

John

There's a better chance they would use a cellphone with an ecryption
device then a radio, or get their information through carriers and
given the information in person. The encryption rules have been on the
books since the 30's. Amateur's can uses digital codes as well as
unspecified codes above 30 MHz.


Todd N9OGL

JOHN:

My point is simply that there is better ways that terrorist and
other criminal elements can communicate, amateur radio isn't on of
them. The encryption rules in the amateur radio service (as written)
are not need (or need to be modified) and in fact may hold amateur
radio back, because there are some encryption technology that is more
spectrum effecient.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL:

I think my view on it was given away with the question (subject) of this
thread...

Simply ignore the FCC rule, as long as you are an american and using encryption
for a VALID PURPOSE (and that means NOT for terrorist activities), a valid
purpose would be so no one (that included the gov't (think BIG BROTHER here) is
listening in.

In any court of law, I do not see where it could be argued that radio is such a
unique threat that encryption cannot be allowed there, yet can be done on the
internet without regulation (other than you cannot share high security
encryption software with other nations--and "God" himself knows that regulation
is not violated!)

If you are a terrorist, they can hang you for your activities, and very rightly
so...

John

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
JOHN:

My point is simply that there is better ways that terrorist and
other criminal elements can communicate, amateur radio isn't on of
them. The encryption rules in the amateur radio service (as written)
are not need (or need to be modified) and in fact may hold amateur
radio back, because there are some encryption technology that is more
spectrum effecient.

Todd N9OGL

John:

Well the problem is the rules, the rules are so obscure that many
amateurs believe that encrytion isn't allowed on the amateur bands.
however, really this isn't the case. 97.113(a)(4) states:

"=2E.... messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning
thereof, except as otherwise provided herein..."

and many amateur operators will tell you that amateur's operators are
not allowed to do any form of coding. however, if you read 97.309(b) it
states:

"=2E...b) Where authorized by =A7=A797.305(c) and 97.307(f) of this Part, a
station may transmit a RTTY or data emission using an unspecified
digital code, except to a station in a country with which the United
States does not have an agreement permitting the code to be used. RTTY
and data emissions using unspecified digital codes must not be
transmitted for the purpose of obscuring the meaning of any
communication. When deemed necessary by an EIC to assure compliance
with the FCC Rules, a station must:


(1) Cease the transmission using the unspecified digital code;
(2) Restrict transmissions of any digital code to the extent
instructed;

(3) Maintain a record, convertible to the original information, of all
digital communications transmitted"

So unspecified digital codes are allowed as long as they are not there
to obscure or hide the meaning.

Todd N9OGL