wrote

An analogy:

Suppose there are a group of hams who regularly QSO on VHF or UHF FM.
Although they use different rigs, all have signals with "good audio" -
clean, crisp, clear, easy to listen to and understand.

Then a newcomer shows up, with a signal that has really poor audio.
Muffled, distorted, very unclear. Not weak, off-frequency or
over-deviating,
just not clear. Varies from 'requires a careful listen' to 'completely
impossible to understand'.

Fortunately it is discovered that the problem lies in the microphone
being used by the newcomer. It's the original that came with the rig,
which is no longer made. Nothing wrong with the rig itself, it's the
mike which is the problem.

Your analogy is broken, Jim.

The newcomers microphone is analogous to Marks computer keyboard, which works
just fine.

As you well know (unless you just fell off the turnip truck) the reason for
Marks difficult-(sometimes impossible)-to-read posts is a medical condition.
Give your newcomer a medical problem (speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.
Then we'll answer your question "How should the group respond?"

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote
An analogy:
Suppose there are a group of hams who regularly QSO
on VHF or UHF FM.
Although they use different rigs, all have signals
with "good audio" -
clean, crisp, clear, easy to listen to and understand.

Then a newcomer shows up, with a signal that has
really poor audio.
Muffled, distorted, very unclear. Not weak,
off-frequency or
over-deviating,
just not clear. Varies from 'requires a careful
listen' to 'completely
impossible to understand'.

Fortunately it is discovered that the problem
lies in the microphone
being used by the newcomer. It's the original
that came with the rig,
which is no longer made. Nothing wrong with
the rig itself, it's the
mike which is the problem.

Your analogy is broken, Jim.

Not at all, Hans.

You snipped off the rest of the analogy, in which
it is revealed that although there is a way to
fix or at least improve the situation, the
newcomer refuses to do anyhting about it.

That's the central issue: the *refusal* to use
an available tool to fix or at least improve
a problem.

The newcomers microphone is analogous to Marks
computer keyboard, which works just fine.

As you well know (unless you just fell off
the turnip truck) the reason for
Marks difficult-(sometimes impossible)-to-read
posts is a medical condition.

Allegedly.

Mark has claimed a lot of things in the past that
simply did not add up. Like claims of a 248 IQ...

Perhaps his condition is real, perhaps it isn't.
That's not the issue at all - the issue is what
he does about it.

He says the use of a spellchecker would slow him
down too much and that we're not worth the effort.


Give your newcomer a medical problem
(speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.

How about a person with a speech problem who
refuses to go to speech therapy, even though
the cost is low and improvement is clearly
possible?

Then we'll answer your question
"How should the group respond?"

Who is "we"?=20

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote


That's the central issue: the *refusal* to use
an available tool to fix or at least improve
a problem.

Aha! The "central issue"! He refuses to do what *you* think he ought to do.
Sunnuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

That's the central issue: the *refusal* to use
an available tool to fix or at least improve
a problem.

Aha! The "central issue"! He refuses to do what *you* think he ought to=
do.

He refuses to do something that would greatly help others understand
him.

He also says it's *their* problem, not his.

He's told me what *I* should do, too.

Sunnuvagun!

I've not said Mark is lazy, or a liar, or a bad person, etc.

My response is simply to not read much of what he writes.

Sonofagun!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim your posts could be made A Lot easier to read, by simply geting to
your point in staed of going and and on about event starting in mnay
case before i was born, and that you have related a number of times

Why don't you post more clearly?

simply becuase it does not suit YOUR style and wishes
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote
An analogy:
Suppose there are a group of hams who regularly QSO
on VHF or UHF FM.
Although they use different rigs, all have signals
with "good audio" -
clean, crisp, clear, easy to listen to and understand.

Then a newcomer shows up, with a signal that has
really poor audio.
Muffled, distorted, very unclear. Not weak,
off-frequency or
over-deviating,
just not clear. Varies from 'requires a careful
listen' to 'completely
impossible to understand'.

Fortunately it is discovered that the problem
lies in the microphone
being used by the newcomer. It's the original
that came with the rig,
which is no longer made. Nothing wrong with
the rig itself, it's the
mike which is the problem.

Your analogy is broken, Jim.

Not at all, Hans.

You snipped off the rest of the analogy, in which
it is revealed that although there is a way to
fix or at least improve the situation, the
newcomer refuses to do anyhting about it.

That's the central issue: the *refusal* to use
an available tool to fix or at least improve
a problem.

The newcomers microphone is analogous to Marks
computer keyboard, which works just fine.

As you well know (unless you just fell off
the turnip truck) the reason for
Marks difficult-(sometimes impossible)-to-read
posts is a medical condition.

Allegedly.

Mark has claimed a lot of things in the past that
simply did not add up. Like claims of a 248 IQ...

proving you don't know much about medical matters

Perhaps his condition is real, perhaps it isn't.
That's not the issue at all - the issue is what
he does about it.

He says the use of a spellchecker would slow him
down too much and that we're not worth the effort.

it would at least doueblt the amount of Time and the medium is not
worth the effort. If you want to take saying that Medium is not worth
the effort personaly you can of course

I am not convinced the medium is worth the time I am spending Now let
alone more



Give your newcomer a medical problem
(speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.

How about a person with a speech problem who
refuses to go to speech therapy, even though
the cost is low and improvement is clearly
possible?

and Who are you know what is possible. Stevie at least has some
exposure to medical matter although he clearly is off target

Then we'll answer your question
"How should the group respond?"
=20
Who is "we"?=20
=20
73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim your posts could be made A Lot easier to read, by simply geting to
your point in staed of going and and on about event starting in mnay
case before i was born, and that you have related a number of times

Why don't you post more clearly?

simply becuase it does not suit YOUR style and wishes
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote
An analogy:
Suppose there are a group of hams who regularly QSO
on VHF or UHF FM.
Although they use different rigs, all have signals
with "good audio" -
clean, crisp, clear, easy to listen to and understand.

Then a newcomer shows up, with a signal that has
really poor audio.
Muffled, distorted, very unclear. Not weak,
off-frequency or
over-deviating,
just not clear. Varies from 'requires a careful
listen' to 'completely
impossible to understand'.

Fortunately it is discovered that the problem
lies in the microphone
being used by the newcomer. It's the original
that came with the rig,
which is no longer made. Nothing wrong with
the rig itself, it's the
mike which is the problem.

Your analogy is broken, Jim.

Not at all, Hans.

You snipped off the rest of the analogy, in which
it is revealed that although there is a way to
fix or at least improve the situation, the
newcomer refuses to do anyhting about it.

That's the central issue: the *refusal* to use
an available tool to fix or at least improve
a problem.

The newcomers microphone is analogous to Marks
computer keyboard, which works just fine.

As you well know (unless you just fell off
the turnip truck) the reason for
Marks difficult-(sometimes impossible)-to-read
posts is a medical condition.

Allegedly.

Mark has claimed a lot of things in the past that
simply did not add up. Like claims of a 248 IQ...

proving you don't know much about medical matters

Perhaps his condition is real, perhaps it isn't.
That's not the issue at all - the issue is what
he does about it.

He says the use of a spellchecker would slow him
down too much and that we're not worth the effort.

it would at least doueblt the amount of Time and the medium is not
worth the effort. If you want to take saying that Medium is not worth
the effort personaly you can of course

I am not convinced the medium is worth the time I am spending Now let
alone more



Give your newcomer a medical problem
(speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.

How about a person with a speech problem who
refuses to go to speech therapy, even though
the cost is low and improvement is clearly
possible?

and Who are you know what is possible. Stevie at least has some
exposure to medical matter although he clearly is off target

Then we'll answer your question
"How should the group respond?"
=20
Who is "we"?=20

who is we indeed?
=20
73 de Jim, N2EY

an_old_friend wrote:
Jim your posts could be made A Lot easier to read, by simply geting to
your point in staed of going and and on about event starting in mnay
case before i was born, and that you have related a number of times

"getting" "instead" "many"

Why don't you post more clearly?

His posts are crystal clear to anyone with more than a fifth grade
education.

simply becuase it does not suit YOUR style and wishes

So...it's your "suggestion" that Jim lobotomize himself just so
YOU can understand him a bit better...?!?!

Somehow I don't see that happening!

wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Allegedly.

Mark has claimed a lot of things in the past that
simply did not add up. Like claims of a 248 IQ...

proving you don't know much about medical matters

Where in that did Jim state ANYthing that required any "knowledge"
about medical matters...?!?!

You DID state that you have an IQ of 248.

Perhaps his condition is real, perhaps it isn't.
That's not the issue at all - the issue is what
he does about it.

He says the use of a spellchecker would slow him
down too much and that we're not worth the effort.

it would at least doueblt the amount of Time and the medium is not
worth the effort. If you want to take saying that Medium is not worth
the effort personaly you can of course

"doueblt"...I'm not even going to guess what that was supposed to
be...

"personally"

And what were you trying to say, anyway..?!?! Again, more
non-sensical jibberish masquerading as "English"....

I am not convinced the medium is worth the time I am spending Now let
alone more

Huh...?!?! What...?!?!

Give your newcomer a medical problem
(speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.

How about a person with a speech problem who
refuses to go to speech therapy, even though
the cost is low and improvement is clearly
possible?

and Who are you know what is possible. Stevie at least has some
exposure to medical matter although he clearly is off target

Nope. Got you nailed to the wall, Markie.

Not even Ray Charles could miss you!

Then we'll answer your question
"How should the group respond?"

Who is "we"?

who is we indeed?

You just don't get it, Markie...

Steve, K4YZ

KY4Z wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Jim your posts could be made A Lot easier to read, by simply geting to
your point in staed of going and and on about event starting in mnay
case before i was born, and that you have related a number of times

"getting" "instead" "many"

Why don't you post more clearly?

His posts are crystal clear to anyone with more than a fifth grade
education.

if the reader can stay awake long enough


simply becuase it does not suit YOUR style and wishes

So...it's your "suggestion" that Jim lobotomize himself just so
YOU can understand him a bit better...?!?!

Not all, More Stevie lie. I sugfested he could get to the point, or at
least have one


Somehow I don't see that happening!

wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

Allegedly.

Mark has claimed a lot of things in the past that
simply did not add up. Like claims of a 248 IQ...

proving you don't know much about medical matters

Where in that did Jim state ANYthing that required any "knowledge"
about medical matters...?!?!

in claiming that he can test someone IQ over the net


You DID state that you have an IQ of 248.

Perhaps his condition is real, perhaps it isn't.
That's not the issue at all - the issue is what
he does about it.

He says the use of a spellchecker would slow him
down too much and that we're not worth the effort.

it would at least doueblt the amount of Time and the medium is not
worth the effort. If you want to take saying that Medium is not worth
the effort personaly you can of course

"doueblt"...I'm not even going to guess what that was supposed to
be...

then don't bother


"personally"

And what were you trying to say, anyway..?!?! Again, more
non-sensical jibberish masquerading as "English"....

I am not convinced the medium is worth the time I am spending Now let
alone more

Huh...?!?! What...?!?!

Give your newcomer a medical problem
(speech impediment?) and rewrite the story.

How about a person with a speech problem who
refuses to go to speech therapy, even though
the cost is low and improvement is clearly
possible?

and Who are you know what is possible. Stevie at least has some
exposure to medical matter although he clearly is off target

Nope. Got you nailed to the wall, Markie.

More lies

Where is your Action?



Not even Ray Charles could miss you!

Then we'll answer your question
"How should the group respond?"

Who is "we"?

who is we indeed?
=20
You just don't get it, Markie...
=20
Steve, KY4Z

"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote

An analogy:

Suppose there are a group of hams who regularly QSO on VHF or UHF FM.
Although they use different rigs, all have signals with "good audio" -
clean, crisp, clear, easy to listen to and understand.

Then a newcomer shows up, with a signal that has really poor audio.
Muffled, distorted, very unclear. Not weak, off-frequency or
over-deviating,
just not clear. Varies from 'requires a careful listen' to 'completely
impossible to understand'.

Fortunately it is discovered that the problem lies in the microphone
being used by the newcomer. It's the original that came with the rig,
which is no longer made. Nothing wrong with the rig itself, it's the
mike which is the problem.

Your analogy is broken, Jim.

The newcomers microphone is analogous to Marks computer keyboard, which
works just fine.

As you well know (unless you just fell off the turnip truck) the reason
for Marks difficult-(sometimes impossible)-to-read posts is a medical
condition. Give your newcomer a medical problem (speech impediment?) and
rewrite the story. Then we'll answer your question "How should the group
respond?"

73, de Hans, K0HB



We have exactly that case locally. And I've already described how the group
responds and how the individual deals with the problem. It's a two way
street. The individual is responsible for taking the steps necessary to
minimize the problem and the group accepts that.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE