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![]() Dee Flint wrote: I haven't decided whether to comment or not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I'd strongly suggest that you comment, Dee, regardless of what your comments are. And regardless of whether they affect the outcome at all. For one thing, although some folks claim to know what the majority wants, the fact of that won't be known until all the comments are in. Last time, the majority didn't get what they wanted, though.... Of course someone trustworthy will have to read and categorize all the comments for us to know what the majority wants. That was done back in 1998. If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. -- One thing that I found unsettling about 98-143 was how *few* comments were filed. FCC was proposing the biggest shakeup of the license and test structure in many years, and they got maybe 2200 comments - from an amateur population of almost 700,000 hams (not counting expired-but-in-the-grace-period licenses, clubs, etc.) Such a low turnout is troubling, particularly considering how easy FCC has made it to file comments. There's ECFS, which can accept a brief comment typed-in, or a lengthier one as a file attachment. There's comments by mail, in paper or electronic format. 98-143 had a very long comment period, yet only about 1 in 300 US hams commented at all. Back in the 1960s, when FCC proposed the changes that came to be known as "incentive licensing", they got over 6000 comments. There were only about 250,000 US hams back then, with no internet, no email, no word-processing, etc. Last time I looked there were over 600 comments on file. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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![]() "Phil Kane" wrote in message ast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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![]() "Bill Sohl" wrote in message .net... "Phil Kane" wrote in message ast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message .net... "Phil Kane" wrote in message mcast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. The torch is being passed. We shall enter the brave new world. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike:
Well, seeing all the "terrible mistakes of the past" (none) you would think most would have learned a lesson, they haven't... still, fun to cry to call "WOLF!" John On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:37:50 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message .net... "Phil Kane" wrote in message omcast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. The torch is being passed. We shall enter the brave new world. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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![]() "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message .net... "Phil Kane" wrote in message ast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, the FCC did listen to their comments via NPRM 98-143. The FCC then gave written reasons why their arguments for code testing were not sufficient to retain code testing when the R&O was issued from 98-143. You state..."they are ready tom move on." That's fine and we can therefore view those folks willing to move on as agreeable to the 05-235 changes proposed by virtue of their silence. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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![]() "Bill Sohl" wrote in message nk.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message .net... "Phil Kane" wrote in message ast.net... On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. Cheers, Bill K2UNK I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, the FCC did listen to their comments via NPRM 98-143. The FCC then gave written reasons why their arguments for code testing were not sufficient to retain code testing when the R&O was issued from 98-143. That they gave their arguments makes them no more valid and no less valid than before. It is a difference in beliefs, no more and no less. You state..."they are ready tom move on." That's fine and we can therefore view those folks willing to move on as agreeable to the 05-235 changes proposed by virtue of their silence. Cheers, Bill K2UNK No I am not agreeable to the change but I would rather spend time elmering people than composing a comment on it. To do the type of job that I would want to do is time consuming. Of course I could just comment that I am against it and let it go at that but I think that one should state why they think the change should not go through. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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From: "Dee Flint" on Fri 5 Aug 2005 20:07
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message "Phil Kane" wrote in message On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Maybe yes, maybe no. In this case, the majority (if one looks at the comments already filed) appear to be running better than 2:1 in support of the ending of all code testing. Sure looks like a majority to me. I think the ones against the change are worn out. They know that the FCC didn't listen before and don't believe the FCC will listen now. They are ready to move on. Tsk, tsk, the FCC did listen to the majority in 1990 and again in 1998. One big problem with the Elite is that they don't understand THEY are the MINORITY. "Moving on?" [a fairly good one-hour TV show years ago...] You have a choice: Move ON and go with the majority flow to the future or keep on recreating the past, a past before your life existance began. Your choice. Better yet, "adapt or die." Remember what happened to the dinosaurs... din din |
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K2EY:
I think the majoritys' will is what is occurring, and no, I don't think a minority is going to be able to stop the majority here, perhaps if you got a group together called "Gay Hams for Morse!" it might float, for some reason the homosexuals are able to enforce their will on others effectively, perhaps a study of their methods and their adoption could lead to success. John On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:21:19 -0700, Phil Kane wrote: On 4 Aug 2005 15:22:35 -0700, wrote: If nothing else, all of us can at least say that we let FCC know where we stood. And the FCC let us all know where it stood when the NPRM was released. Does anyone deny that the horserace is fixed and that the majority wishes have nothing to do with the outcome? |
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