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RRAP Regulars A No-Show for WT05-235 Comments
Well, well, well....................
After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi- regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Steve, W5DXP, K3LT, WK3C, and W1RFI haven't posted to rrap in a long time. Cecil decided to focus on antennas soon after the 2000 restructuring. He said in here that 5 wpm was the right level, he resigned his NCI membership and went on to other things. Larry's work and other interests caused him to spend his time differently. Carl has shown up once or twice but his main focuses have been his job, house, anti-BPL and NCI duties. Heck, he was so busy it took him a year to get his Extra and vanity call. Ed has been focused on fighting BPL. He's also an ARRL staffer, so he may prefer not to even give the appearance of a conflict. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? It's only been a few days. There are weeks to go yet. Look at the responses - most of them are "Brief Comments", meaning a short yea or nay. Many are embarrassing in their poor spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation. Better to spend some time proofreading and polishing. There's also the perception some have that the whole thing may be a done deal already. Suppose the majority of commenters want code testing to stay, either as it is now or maybe just for Extra. Will that make any difference at all to what FCC does? Back in 1999, a member of NCI read and tallied up the comments and found that the *majority* wanted either two or three code test speeds. Yet FCC went to 5 wpm only. On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... Almost everything NCVEC wanted in their second petition was denied. 73 de Jim, N2EY 313 btw, you missed the biggest hoot in Len's comments - the part where he says he offers an "objective" view...AS IF! |
K4YZ wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... Hey Steve. I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike. There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group. I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's "It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts... So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well use it for what it is good for... Mudfight! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal Register to comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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k.net... "K4YZ" wrote in message ups.com... Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... We do have 60 days from when the NPRM is printed in the Federal Register to comment. Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... You'll probably only see Fred's comments via the NCVEC comment when that gets agreed to within the NCVEC groups. Cheers, Bill K2UNK Well, Bill. I am not sure that a kind of public indictment of people who've not chosen to submit comments to something is all that democratic ( :o); but... I am, admittedly, a ham who is not all that active. I also *used* to be more affected emotionally by issues of CW and ham traditions than I am now. Maybe chalk that up to having spouted off to people like Larry, etc., for long enough that I've lost sail...LOL I have opinions on the service, the hobby, etc. But, I choose not to try to "affect" ham radio by way of my comments to NPRMs (that is, unless there was some kind of something that truly affected me emotionally) in things that I am OK with going either way and this one, I am. I think it's probably something along the lines of consensus. I may have an opinion of my own, but I am willing to step aside and yield to the prevailing group. Kim W5TIT |
my coment will be sent when I have them polished enough of course
To the FCC the little details are important, Indeed my coments will likey be typed by one of the pool of typists I use professionaly as Bill say we have 60 days K4YZ wrote: Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? On another note, I notice both Maia and West haven't said a word either...guess they figure they'll sell books one way or the other... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: I figured that I would reserve my comments for a place that had a better chance of having an effect on the decision. That would be in rrap! ;^) I gave up on RRAP being any usable place for ANY kind of debate other than flame throwing and frustration venting years ago, Mike. then consider giving up your mudslinging There are occassional sidebars that are actually informative, but they are so few and far between, and usually usurped by yet another LennieRant as to make it ineffective as any discussion group. I've started a few threads on different policy issues before (as have others with sincere intent)only to have it drawn into Lennie's "It's a Might Morsemen Conspiracy" mode within a few posts... haven't seen you start a thread related to radio, and that wasn't simply a luddite rant So...the NG isn't good for what it was intended...might as well use it for what it is good for... Mudfight! so says the senior mudslinger 73 Steve, K4YZ |
On 3 Aug 2005 03:15:45 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:
Well, well, well.................... After I posted my comments and recovered from laughing at Lennie's predictably pessimistic and mistruthful diatribe, I started to look over some of the other comments. Then I decided to just cut to the chase and search by names for the rest of you. Other than myself and Lennie, I only found ONE other semi-regular of this group had cared enough to comment: WA2ISE. Missing? K0HB, W5TIT, N8UZE, W5DXP, K2UNK, N2EY, AA2QA, K3LT, W3RV, KB9RQZ, N0IMD, WK3C, W1RFI, N3KIP, KC2HMZ, K8MN. Soooooooooooo...... Where is everyone from BOTH sides of the aisle? Funny you should mention it. I filed mine today, as follows: BEGIN QUOTED MATERIAL ************************************************** ************************ Mr. Chairman and Commissioners: Following are my comments relative to proceeding WT 05-235, In the Matter of Amendment of Part of the Commission 's Rules To Implement WRC-03 Regulations Applicable to Requirements for Operator Licenses in the Amateur Radio Service. There have been many arguments posed in favor of eliminating the telegraphy requirement for an Amateur Radio license. I see no reason for me to rehash all of them at this time. Simply stated, it is my considered opinion that continuing to test for Morse proficiency as a prerequisite for licensing in the Amateur radio service is not in the public interest. Furthermore, the requirement serves no useful regulatory purpose, and is not consistent with the goals for the Amateur Radio Service as stated in the Basis And Purpose section of the Commission's rules set forth in Part 97. Therefore, I support the proposed rulemaking to the extent that it would remove the telegraphy requirement for all license classes in the Amateur Radio Service. I would also like to comment on the matter of operator privileges to be assigned to the various license classes in the event that the telegraphy requirement is removed. In my opinion, the current written examinations for the Novice, Technician, and Technician-Plus license classes do not, in my opinion, insure sufficient knowledge to safely operate an amateur station consistent with the privileges of the General Class license. The material covered in the General Class written examination simply is not covered in the exams for the Novice, Technician, and Technician-Plus classes. Therefore, I concur with the Commission's proposal to retain operator privileges for those classes consistent with those currently in effect. I state this with the realization that subject to the further modification of those privileges that would result from the separate proceeding and NPRM regarding the Phone Band Expansion, licensees holding those classes of license stand to receive a significant gain in operating privileges. I do not feel it is in the public interest to grant automatic upgrades to higher license classes without requiring applicants for those higher license classes to pass the appropriate written examinations. I also do not see a need for adding any new classes of amateur radio license. The reorganization of the Amateur Radio Service that took effect in the year 2000 has already dealt properly with the number of available license classes. Finally, I agree with the Commission's proposal to refrain from enacting any rules changes intended to more closely regulate the content of the written examinations. Applicants who pass one or more written examinations qualify for either a new license, or an upgrade to a higher class of license. As noted by the Commission in the NPRM, the purpose of the written examination is to insure that the applicant can safely operate a station. The written examinations are not, and were never intended to be, tests of an applicant's technical level or operating skills, other than those necessary to safely operate an amateur station while said applicant is developing his or her technical and operating skills. In other words, passing the exam is the beginning, not the end. Successful completion of the examination causes the applicant to be granted a license, which bestows certain privileges depending on the class of license that is granted. It is what the applicant does with those privileges after they are granted that demonstrates his or her technical level and operating skills. In fact, it occurs to me that, if one were required to be an electronics expert prior to obtaining an amateur license, then participation in the Amateur Radio Service would not be a viable means of training skilled operators and advancing the technical skills of those operators. This would not be in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service. In closing, then, I find myself in complete agreement with the proposed changes to the Commission's rules as stated in the NPRM. I would like to express my appreciation to the Commission for it's attention to this matter, and also, in no small part, for having "gotten it right" so to speak. While I am sure that this proposed rulemaking will generate considerable distress for some, I can say as the current holder of a General Class Amateur License that the Commission's proposed action on this matter is in the public interest and is in keeping with the Basis And Purpose of the Amateur Radio Service. Thanks you for the opportunity to participate in the regulatory process governing the Amateur Radio Service. I look forward to the Commission's eventual Report & Order on this matter. Sincerely, John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York ************************************************** ********************************* END QUOTED MATERIAL If anybody is having trouble with the ECFS telling you the matter is not open for commenting, be advised you cannot enter "WT05-235" in the "Proceeding" field on the cover sheet. Just enter "05-235" without any WT or FCC or anything else and it should work just fine. 73 de John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) zIRC #monitor Admin |
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