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an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: You mean like YOU were going to frag me to AOL...?!?! YOU would do something like that, but not me, that's what makes me better then you. Todd, I generally wouldn't respond to a statement like that with this answer, but in this case it's so very true. I AM better than you. On so many different levels. bull#### stevie Nope. Steve, K4YZ |
N9OGL wrote: Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in the middle of the band and other operations be danged. Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if they are providing a service or not. It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference" is. Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason. Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do. I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition of what non-commercial is Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are. No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the rules then what is here. For example the idea that information bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that, nor is there any order from the FCC that states that. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." Steve, K4YZ |
I would have to agree with steve mark, he is better then me on many
levels, he can Harass, and Bully better then what I can. Todd N9OGL |
K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in the middle of the band and other operations be danged. Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if they are providing a service or not. It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference" is. Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason. not at all obvious many possible explainations exist for complaining about K1MAN and not about W1AW Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do. I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition of what non-commercial is Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are. No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the rules then what is here. For example the idea that information bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that, nor is there any order from the FCC that states that. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." Steve, K4YZ |
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. Todd N9OGL |
N9OGL wrote: Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect. The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW. But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the same way. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what "information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously, obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference. "Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ:
Well there ya go, ya figured it out! K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does! Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter anymore then they do arrl/W1AW. John On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect. The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW. But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the same way. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what "information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously, obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference. "Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting. Steve, K4YZ |
.... and of course, Glen Baxter funds K1MAN! John On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:05:17 -0700, John Smith wrote: K4YZ: Well there ya go, ya figured it out! K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does! Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter anymore then they do arrl/W1AW. John On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect. The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW. But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the same way. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what "information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously, obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference. "Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting. Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect. W1AW promates the ARRL The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW. and ARRL is suposed to be non profit but leaving that aside But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the same way. Realy Stevie? Then I guess you are breaking the rules promoting your employers busness, and admitting to braodcasting Stevie You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what "information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously, obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference. "Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting. Bull**** Steve, K4YZ |
"John Smith",
Have you ever listened to a K1MAN 2 hour "bulletin"???? His bad mouthing of his fellow hams, the FCC, the ARRL and "opinions" about his so called service to ham radio is nothing but a self aggrandizing pat on his own back. He would plop down right on top of on going communications, then send out "felony affidavits" to those that told him to get bent. Fully indicating he had indeed been listening before the broadcast began. He should have sent himself one of those cheaply copied useless pieces of paper. Mr. Baxter basically has made a total laughing stock of himself to any ham that has the ability to reason and think. Obviously Toad can't do either. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... K4YZ: Well there ya go, ya figured it out! K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does! Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter anymore then they do arrl/W1AW. John On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote: N9OGL wrote: Nope. The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid services. K1MAN does. It really is THAT simple. The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT. W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect. The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW. But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the same way. You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic) what is here." no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that power. So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what "information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously, obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference. "Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting. Steve, K4YZ |
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