If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

John Smith wrote:
PM:

Most of that is fictional... lots of "could have", "should have", "would
have" which it suggests though...

Computer related hardware/software is where all of the engineers are
coming from today.

John

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:34:33 -0700, Polymath wrote:

What is Ham Radio?

(Nothing whatsoever to do with Mrs.Nugatory and
her infantile obsessive habits, that's for sure!)

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

Polymath wrote:
If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

It is fictional as is your charge



Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

Perhaps even "KB9RQZ" is a CB call sign?

an_old_friend wrote:
Polymath wrote:
If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

It is fictional as is your charge



Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

Polymath wrote:
Perhaps even "KB9RQZ" is a CB call sign?

nope no call signs in CB, at least not in the US

you are just writing bafflegab to use an expression of one of MY fav
Birtish chacters, the Doctor, of course



an_old_friend wrote:
Polymath wrote:
If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

It is fictional as is your charge



Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

AOF:

Who? Doctor Who? :|

John

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:36:54 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


Polymath wrote:
Perhaps even "KB9RQZ" is a CB call sign?

nope no call signs in CB, at least not in the US

you are just writing bafflegab to use an expression of one of MY fav
Birtish chacters, the Doctor, of course



an_old_friend wrote:
Polymath wrote:
If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

It is fictional as is your charge



Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

PM:

Let me give a summary of the "real world."

If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer.

In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country
and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to
IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc....

By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language
and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware
project would most likely be computer related.

Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them
using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack
the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by
transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and
you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current
technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider
what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up...

John

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:27:42 -0700, Polymath wrote:

Perhaps even "KB9RQZ" is a CB call sign?

an_old_friend wrote:
Polymath wrote:
If you feel that it is fictional, then it is almost
certain that you are one of the latter-day recruits
whose style is that of CB Radio, the very type that
I warn against.

It is fictional as is your charge



Perhaps the horse has already bolted?

John Smith wrote:

Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at
them using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior.
They lack the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos,
documents, etc. by transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then,
they show you a CW key and you are dumb struck, and leave. You
return to the internet and current technology, never to stray
again... you begin a web site and consider what position you would
like in the computer field, when you grow up...


Fabulously put.
--
huLLy
Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
PM:

Let me give a summary of the "real world."

If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer.

In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country
and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to
IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc....

By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language
and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware
project would most likely be computer related.

Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them
using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack
the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by
transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and
you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current
technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider
what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up...

John


The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they
just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming.
Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for
upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware
upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts"
that you seem to despise so.

I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets,
etc.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee:

You know you have won a soft-spot in my heart now, and I always wanna
"take-the-gloves-off" when replying to your posts, and I would, except you
would take it as an insult and never forgive me...

Yes, there are people like that in the world. Indeed, the top of the
bell-curve are those with an IQ of 100-110 (barely intelligent enough not
to drool on their work.) If your company/corp is interning them, you
really should look for a position elsewhere, but you knew that...

John

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:04:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news
PM:

Let me give a summary of the "real world."

If you were a child today, you would grow up with the computer.

In elementary school your first "pen pal" would be in a foreign country
and you would communicate with them via the internet. You would learn to
IM, IRC, EMAIL, MSN CHAT, YAHOO, WEB CAM, etc....

By high school you would be picking up a computer script and/or language
and at least have a basic knowledge of programming. Your first hardware
project would most likely be computer related.

Somewhere along this line, you bump into a ham or a few. You look at them
using their equipment, it is apparent the internet is superior. They lack
the ability to exchange pics, apps, music, videos, documents, etc. by
transmissions taking seconds or minutes. Then, they show you a CW key and
you are dumb struck, and leave. You return to the internet and current
technology, never to stray again... you begin a web site and consider
what position you would like in the computer field, when you grow up...

John


The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now they
just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming.
Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop for
upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own hardware
upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old farts"
that you seem to despise so.

I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email, spreadsheets,
etc.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:04:16 -0400, Dee Flint wrote:


The days of kids being computer gurus have already come and gone. Now
they
just play video games and chat. Very few get interested in programming.
Very few do a hardware project. They take their computers to the shop
for
upgrades. They only people that I have observed doing their own
hardware
upgrades, rebuilding computers, etc are the middle aged and the "old
farts"
that you seem to despise so.

I spend countless hours teaching our interns how to use email,
spreadsheets,
etc.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


BINGO! As Jim would say. With just a rough guess, I am surrounded by
approx. 70 or so people that would know me well enough to be inclined to
call for computer help. Of those, probably 50 percent are less than 35. Of
those, none are really what I would call "intermediate" users of the
computer. Some are above average (average being relative to the overall
community of people I am exposed to concerning computer users), but
certainly not self-sufficient on computer-ese.

I consider myself a very average computer user. I used to be right there
with technology, keeping up, etc. But, it's been about 30 years and I am
just wanting to get through each day on mine at work now...LOL At any rate,
as you mention above, Dee, I am still their immediate computer consultant
for my workgroup on spreadsheets, all the MS Office stuff, email, attaching
documents, finding things on their machines, cruising our network, etc. I
am happy to do it for them and I don't think of them with the disdain that
some seem to. I don't measure one's value by their efficacy on a computer.

I got my husband started in the computer world about 10 years ago. He's way
surpassed me now and I just ask him...LOL

Kim W5TIT