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Frank Gilliland August 15th 05 10:30 PM

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.


I think you have it wrong, Frank.



Oh really.....


I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.



That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.








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Frank Gilliland August 15th 05 10:38 PM

On 15 Aug 2005 21:18:03 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote:

snip
Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

Thankfully they're not all like that, or convicted child abusing felons
like N8.



True story. I know quite a few -decent- hams and I actually encourage
people to get their license if they show the interest. It's the few
hams with a holier-than-thou attitude that makes amateur radio so
repulsive to the rest of us.






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Cmdr Buzz Corey August 15th 05 11:03 PM

Frank Gilliland wrote:


Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.


And being a cber makes you even less than that.

Cmdr Buzz Corey August 15th 05 11:40 PM

Steveo wrote:

You're a CB'er too, call-less camd buzz/jj/corey, or whatever you call
yourself this month.



Hate to dissappoint you steveo, but I have never operated a cb radio or
any other radio on the cb band.

Frank Gilliland August 16th 05 12:03 AM

On 15 Aug 2005 10:16:31 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

Replying to both posts:

snip
Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.


really ?

more whoopers



I googled K4YZ for "usmc" or "marines"..... there are 111 posts
-prior- to Jan 1, 2002.



Hey, I do it myself.


We did earn it.


earn what?



Bragging rights.


But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.


Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.



Oh, well, that makes it ok..... I guess.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?


Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.



I've heard that excuse before. Even used it myself on occasion.


So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?



Never been a ham. If you really want to know more about me just browse
the archives -- you might find it "somewhat cathartic".







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an_old_friend August 16th 05 12:04 AM


Dave Heil wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Mark's subject line provides amusing irony:

"stevie too stupid to ntice he being insulted"



when you going to fullfill YOUR Promise Dave?


Mark, even when your written English approaches coherency, I have little
idea what you're talking about. What promise have I made you?


don't even bother to ememebr your word

You were going to answer the questions pput you in another thread

Dave K8MN



Dave Heil August 16th 05 12:49 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:


Frank Gilliland wrote:


snip

Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.


I think you have it wrong, Frank.




Oh really.....


Yep, really.



I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.




That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".


You're right. I've heard 'em do it--whether they have facts or not.

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.


That's funny. I checked to see if your post had gone to other groups
before I responded. This was the only newsgroup indicated. There goes
your perfectly good rant.

Dave K8MN


Frank Gilliland August 16th 05 10:32 AM

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:49:58 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:27:48 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:


Frank Gilliland wrote:


snip

Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.

I think you have it wrong, Frank.




Oh really.....


Yep, really.



I believe the typical ham attitude
is: If you aren't a ham and persist in posting material about the
wonders of CB radio in an amateur radio group, *then* you're nobody.




That's one of the difference between holy-hammies and CBers; the
holy-hammies begin their statements with "I believe....." while the
CBers start with "The facts are.....".


You're right. I've heard 'em do it--whether they have facts or not.

And the facts are that his discussion began in -this- newsgroup with
the thread "Emergency communications", where some CB-hating hams
crossposted their highly subjective and speculative opinions to rrcb.
I'm just here to set the record straight. If you don't want CBers in
this newsgroup then quit crossposting your anti-CB garbage.


That's funny. I checked to see if your post had gone to other groups
before I responded. This was the only newsgroup indicated. There goes
your perfectly good rant.



You proved my point nicely. Thanks!







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K4YZ August 16th 05 04:32 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:


Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.


really ?

more whoopers


"whoopers".

That was "whoppers", Markie, and no, it was true, whether you like
it or not.

Hey, I do it myself.


We did earn it.


earn what?


Since the comments were not (a) directed towards you and (b)
obviously not understood by you, (c) trying to explain them to you
would be a waste of time.

I am sure Frank understood and he as the intended addressee.

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.


Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....


Nope. Nope. Nope.

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.


and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time


"falme".

Nope. It's not "falming" if it's true.

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 16th 05 04:48 PM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 15 Aug 2005 15:44:34 GMT, Steveo wrote in
:

"K4YZ" wrote:
Steveo wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote:
I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

What's "anonie" about Frank Gilliland?

Just curious that the only "Frank Gilliland" I can find in FCC
files had his license expire over 2 years ago.

Unless it's a middle name or someone forgot to drop a new 610
(605)?

Steve, K4YZ

Who said Frank is in the FCC database? As far as I know he's not a ham
radio operator. That doesn't make him "anonie", does it?


Typical hammie attitude -- if you're not a ham you're nobody.=----


Frank, who said that?

Here's how I see things about newsgroups...It's one thing to go to
a newsgroup about which you have little knowledge or background and say
"I am not a widget fan, but would like to know more about widgets".
Unfortunately THIS newsgroup has attracted more than it's fair share of
non-participants who are here to do nothing but incite discord.

I think that when someone posts in an Amateur Radio newsgroup
about Amateur Radio, it's only natural to kow what that persons
background in it it...Just the same if I was commenting in a Widget
newsgroup.

I'm not a "hammie", nor did I call ANYONE a "nobody", least of all
you.

Semper Fi

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 16th 05 05:03 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)


Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.


both are true


Nope

More snipo of stuff boyo just made up to make himself feel
better....

Of course the most likely possiblity is that stevie is just lying ,
again


In order to have been "lying again" there would have had to have
been a first time.


and you qualify more than qualify


And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.

Steve, K4YZ


an_old_friend August 16th 05 06:02 PM


K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)

Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.


both are true


Nope


yep

braggard and bully alleged Marine

or are you Now Dening being a marine?

coming clean about that are you?


More snipo of stuff boyo just made up to make himself feel
better....

Of course the most likely possiblity is that stevie is just lying ,
again

In order to have been "lying again" there would have had to have
been a first time.


and you qualify more than qualify


And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.


so?

you have lied in the past and you lie in the present

Steve, K4YZ



K4YZ August 16th 05 07:11 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)

Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.

both are true


Nope


yep

braggard and bully alleged Marine


Not a braggard, not a bully and there's nothing "alleged" about
having been in the Marines.

or are you Now Dening being a marine?


Funny...You capitalize "dening" (denying) but diminutive Marine.

coming clean about that are you?


Coming "clean" about what?

and you qualify more than qualify


And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.


so?


It makes your attempts to call others "idiots"
foolish...Especially when you put it in the subject line where EVERYONE
can see it without having to open the item to read it!

you have lied in the past and you lie in the present


Nope and nope.

Steve, K4YZ


an_old_friend August 16th 05 07:51 PM


K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)

Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.

both are true

Nope


yep

braggard and bully alleged Marine


Not a braggard, not a bully and there's nothing "alleged" about
having been in the Marines.


yes a Braggard and a bully and it is alleged about being a marine, you
have not proven it ever

not that you can prove it here ever


or are you Now Dening being a marine?


Funny...You capitalize "dening" (denying) but diminutive Marine.


so?


coming clean about that are you?


Coming "clean" about what?

and you qualify more than qualify

And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.


so?


It makes your attempts to call others "idiots"
foolish...Especially when you put it in the subject line where EVERYONE
can see it without having to open the item to read it!


not at all

you have lied in the past and you lie in the present


Nope and nope.


sure do and continue to

Again Jim asks and other as well

If I am so worthless why do you bother to hang on ervery word I type?



Steve, K4YZ



K4YZ August 16th 05 08:05 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)

Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.

both are true

Nope

yep

braggard and bully alleged Marine


Not a braggard, not a bully and there's nothing "alleged" about
having been in the Marines.


yes a Braggard and a bully and it is alleged about being a marine, you
have not proven it ever

not that you can prove it here ever


Sure I can.

I've provided more than one credible third party that can
corroborate my previous duty status.

As for "bragard and bully", you're tilting at windmills, Markie!

or are you Now Dening being a marine?


Funny...You capitalize "dening" (denying) but diminutive Marine.


so?


My assertion of your ineptness proven by YOUR hand.

coming clean about that are you?


Coming "clean" about what?


No answer?

and you qualify more than qualify

And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.

so?


It makes your attempts to call others "idiots"
foolish...Especially when you put it in the subject line where EVERYONE
can see it without having to open the item to read it!


not at all


Sure it does.

you have lied in the past and you lie in the present


Nope and nope.


sure do and continue to

Again Jim asks and other as well

If I am so worthless why do you bother to hang on ervery word I type?


I don't. But worthless or not, liars deserve to be kept at bay
for what they are. I've done that rather effectively.

Steve, K4YZ


John Smith August 16th 05 09:03 PM

AOF:

Let me explain it in this context, "Having a wino tell you the truth is
much preferred to a marine telling you a line of BS."

John

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:51:51 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine and Nursie...(SNIP)

Odd...I've never seen KY4Z post here.

And Markie...

...it's "braggard" and "alleged"...

Neither of which is true.

both are true

Nope

yep

braggard and bully alleged Marine


Not a braggard, not a bully and there's nothing "alleged" about
having been in the Marines.


yes a Braggard and a bully and it is alleged about being a marine, you
have not proven it ever

not that you can prove it here ever


or are you Now Dening being a marine?


Funny...You capitalize "dening" (denying) but diminutive Marine.


so?


coming clean about that are you?


Coming "clean" about what?

and you qualify more than qualify

And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.

so?


It makes your attempts to call others "idiots"
foolish...Especially when you put it in the subject line where EVERYONE
can see it without having to open the item to read it!


not at all

you have lied in the past and you lie in the present


Nope and nope.


sure do and continue to

Again Jim asks and other as well

If I am so worthless why do you bother to hang on ervery word I type?



Steve, K4YZ



Lloyd August 16th 05 10:45 PM

if you call youreslves Christians you are supposed to love your felow
man and not behave the way you two and other pple are doing. it is
the way of Satan to call names and preach hate but it is the way of
Jesus to give respect to all. you are acting like a bunch of muslims
who are taugt hate from the time they are kids in their madrassahs.
that is why tony blair wants to take all of madrassahs over in the UK
and why the US should do it here to. so dont preach hate like the
terorist muslims do. it makes you look realy ignorant.

God bless.

an_old_friend August 16th 05 10:50 PM


Lloyd wrote:
if you call youreslves Christians you are supposed to love your felow
man and not behave the way you two and other pple are doing. it is
the way of Satan to call names and preach hate but it is the way of
Jesus to give respect to all. you are acting like a bunch of muslims
who are taugt hate from the time they are kids in their madrassahs.
that is why tony blair wants to take all of madrassahs over in the UK
and why the US should do it here to. so dont preach hate like the
terorist muslims do. it makes you look realy ignorant.


well Loyd I am not a christain never claimed to be

Steve is evasive on the subject

Don't recall John mentioning one way or the other

God bless.



an_old_friend August 16th 05 10:56 PM


K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

cut


Not a braggard, not a bully and there's nothing "alleged" about
having been in the Marines.


yes a Braggard and a bully and it is alleged about being a marine, you
have not proven it ever

not that you can prove it here ever


Sure I can.

I've provided more than one credible third party that can
corroborate my previous duty status.


which is not the same a proving it yourself

indeed one the thing you can't prove is that the author I am responding
to is Steven J Robeson call sign K4YZ

indeed from some of your postings I wonder if this isn't the daughter
of K4YZ using daddies Pc to cause trouble


As for "bragard and bully", you're tilting at windmills, Markie!


if so I am in Good company

or are you Now Dening being a marine?

Funny...You capitalize "dening" (denying) but diminutive Marine.


so?


My assertion of your ineptness proven by YOUR hand.


your assertion that I am prone to such typos was granted years ago

and not disputed since


coming clean about that are you?

Coming "clean" about what?


No answer?


indeed you gave no answer



and you qualify more than qualify

And you still can't put even a simple sentence together correctly.

so?

It makes your attempts to call others "idiots"
foolish...Especially when you put it in the subject line where EVERYONE
can see it without having to open the item to read it!


not at all


Sure it does.


not realy


you have lied in the past and you lie in the present

Nope and nope.


sure do and continue to

Again Jim asks and other as well

If I am so worthless why do you bother to hang on ervery word I type?


I don't. But worthless or not, liars deserve to be kept at bay
for what they are. I've done that rather effectively.


Liar you hang n every word

as to kept at bay well you dictionary is not mine

I post what I want when I want

Steve, K4YZ



John Smith August 16th 05 10:57 PM

AOF:

True. Discussion of religion would best be left to another usenet thread
with christian, religion, etc in its name. Maybe
rec.radio.amateur.religious.views ???

Allowing one to be side-tracked onto religious subjects not relating to
amateur policy would be another BIG mistake...

John

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:50:40 -0700, an_old_friend wrote:


Lloyd wrote:
if you call youreslves Christians you are supposed to love your felow
man and not behave the way you two and other pple are doing. it is
the way of Satan to call names and preach hate but it is the way of
Jesus to give respect to all. you are acting like a bunch of muslims
who are taugt hate from the time they are kids in their madrassahs.
that is why tony blair wants to take all of madrassahs over in the UK
and why the US should do it here to. so dont preach hate like the
terorist muslims do. it makes you look realy ignorant.


well Loyd I am not a christain never claimed to be

Steve is evasive on the subject

Don't recall John mentioning one way or the other

God bless.



[email protected] August 17th 05 12:10 AM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 16:44:20 -0700, "an_old_friend"
wrote in .com:

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine.....

Really? What units and when?

That is a question we have been asking fro YEARS somehow Stevie never
answers

I don't know why anyone would keep their military service a secret
(unless he's really Ollie North).


He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of service,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.


I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS, and even if
there was a typo on his DD-214 he would have known the -correct- MOS
because EVERY Marine knows his or her MOS as well as many of the other
MOS's in the related fields: 0311 = grunt; 2531 = grunt w/radio (aka
"sniper target"); 2511 = pole-jockey; 2811 = wire tech; 2861 = radio
tech (usually some asshole shop chief) 2881 = crypto tech..... well,
you get the idea.


25170, later changed to W1X, with a war planner prefix at the end.

I also noticed he claims to have a good conduct
"medal". No such animal -- it's just a ribbon. Yep, you got him pegged
alright, he's a wannabe warrior.


Maybe, maybe not. But he sure as hell won't expand on his original
slip-up.

No siree.

I'm just interested in clearing his good name. Hi!

And he's got a box full of medals. But they're his "collection," not
actually awarded to him.

I've always been up front about my
service in the USMC:

Plt 2051 out of MCRD San Diego, 1981;
MCCES at MCAGCC (29 Palms), MOS 2841, 1981 to 1983;
3/8 at Camp Geiger (Camp Lejeune's back door), 1983 to 1985;
BLT 3/8, 24th MAU, 1984 (Beirut);


The flag we flew over the former American Embassy in Mogadishu,
December 1992, was last flown in Beirut.


Interesting irony happening there.....


Oh, no. Irony. That's not funny.

2nd AAV, 'Outhouse' Bay (also part of Camp Lejeune) for several months
in 1985 until discharged.


You're in Ohio, right?


Nope, Washington (the state, not the city). But I had a girlfriend in
Ohio once. A real knockout!


I saw in a previous post where you mentioned "Pomeroy." There is a
Pomeroy in Ohio, the only one that I've ever encountered. And I happen
to have a field person with the last name of "Gilliland," the only one
of those I've ever encountered. Fair enough, Washington. Near Whidby?


[email protected] August 17th 05 12:15 AM


K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


A person posting with th[i]er name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.


[email protected] August 17th 05 12:21 AM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wrote in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hosti=

le
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of servi=

ce,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolutely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...



Yep. It's been a long day.



I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine. Hey, I do it myself.
But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude. It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase.


But Steve claims he's had therapy in conjunction with his early release
from active duty...

It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?


Steve has been in flame wars with multitudes of amateurs and one
professional. Most have grown tired of the harrassment, and have left
the group. It is his reason for being.


[email protected] August 18th 05 02:19 AM


an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:

On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700, wro=

te in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven h=

ostile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a=

nice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of s=

ervice,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolu=

tely
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stol=

en
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.

Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one =

of
his 1950's era MOS's...


Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).


Thanks for stopping by almost eight years later and letting me
know, Frank.

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine.


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.


really ?

more whoopers


Alla time.

Hey, I do it myself.


We did earn it.


earn what?


Longevity award?

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.


Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....


..=2E.Crams his lies down our throats.

It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase. It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?


Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.


and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time


There have been others. Many others. Most let Steve run them off. I
don't.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


[email protected] August 18th 05 02:26 AM


wrote:[i]
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.


And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


Frank Gilliland August 18th 05 02:53 AM

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.



Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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John Smith August 18th 05 03:04 AM

Hmmmm:

Webbed feet then? A mud duck? CB'er-type-grin

John

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:53:17 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.



Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.






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Dave Heil August 18th 05 04:58 AM

wrote:[i]
wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.



And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


After Frank's post, I suppose you're feeling like a complete fool.

Dave K8MN


K4YZ August 18th 05 10:32 AM


wrote:[i]
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.


And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


Only 50/50. Not bad percentage.

Of course my percentages soar when scoring my hits against your
stories and fantasies, Brain.

Ya can't win 'em all!

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ August 18th 05 10:39 AM


wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.


really ?

more whoopers


Alla time.


Such as?

True, I won't discuss my seervice in the Corps, however they pale
against such heroics as illegally operating from Somalia and such
outrageous stories as the ones you've cooked up vis-a-vis ARES, MARS
(mostly trying to diss me on it), emergtency comms planning, etc, etc
etc.

Hey, I do it myself.

We did earn it.


earn what?


Longevity award?


Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".

But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude.

Again...I don't see myself having "crammed" anything down anyone's
throats, Frank...No more than their lies and deceit have been shoved
down mine.


you make threats and more threats and lies and ....


...Crams his lies down our throats.


What lies, Brain?

You keep making these insinuations about all of these "lies" (the
infamous '29') but you never detail them or substantiate them.

Thankfully it's not been a contiguous seven years. Markie was
gone for the longest time. That pretty much left us with Lennie and
Brain. I see my exchanges with them as being somewhat cathartic.


and yet even being gone you continued to falme me from time to time


There have been others. Many others. Most let Steve run them off. I
don't.


Nope...pretty much just the four of you...We can add Vippy in
there, but he comes and goes of his own volition.

So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] August 18th 05 11:39 PM


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers


Alla time.


Such as?

True, I won't discuss my seervice in the Corps,


Especially after slipping up and claiming the seven hostile actions.


Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".


OK "Marine."

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ


Doh!

I guess the little red-hatted monkey in me should have voted on that
one. ;^)


[email protected] August 18th 05 11:41 PM


Dave Heil wrote:[i]
wrote:
wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.



And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


After Frank's post, I suppose you're feeling like a complete fool.

Dave K8MN


Pretty much.


[email protected] August 18th 05 11:44 PM


K4YZ wrote:[i]
wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.


And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


Only 50/50. Not bad percentage.


The percentages weren't that good. This ham, that ham, and not a ham.
I'll let you attempt the math.

Of course my percentages soar when scoring my hits against your
stories and fantasies, Brain.


Hi! You still livin' in a fantasy world.

Ya can't win 'em all!

Steve, K4YZ


Indeed. I'm feeling kindof stoopid about now.


an_old_friend August 19th 05 02:23 AM


wrote:[i]
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

I wonder why it is that all of the "supporters" that Brain and
Markie can manage are "anonies"...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

A person posting with ther name is anonymous?

Is that anything like being a jerk for not giving someone grief?

You can QRZed "Gilliland" and find Frank on there. But you'll have to
do the "leg" work yourself.

And so Steve does his own "leg" work, is offered two "Frank Gilliland"
choices, and chooses the wrong one! Hi! Gotta love the odds.


Only 50/50. Not bad percentage.


The percentages weren't that good. This ham, that ham, and not a ham.
I'll let you attempt the math.

Of course my percentages soar when scoring my hits against your
stories and fantasies, Brain.


Hi! You still livin' in a fantasy world.

Ya can't win 'em all!

Steve, K4YZ


Indeed. I'm feeling kindof stoopid about now.


Why feel stupid, Frank, Ham or Not is NOT an "Anonymous Peanut
Gallery" he is a person like everyone else

Unless Len Anderson has been redifend as "Anonymous Peanut Gallery"
which of course Stvie KY4Z is liable to try and do at any moment


[email protected] August 19th 05 03:43 AM


wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:42 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote in
:
On 15 Aug 2005 01:17:59 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 14 Aug 2005 18:55:44 -0700,
wrote=
in
. com:

He can't. He slipped up one day and said that he was in seven hos=

tile
actions, so everything has been hush hush since then. Len did a n=

ice
expose with respect to Steve's age and the possible periods of ser=

vice,
and it didn't add up to seven events. In-Your-Face about absolute=

ly
everything else, Steve has yet to set the record straight. Stolen
Valor comes to mind.

I googled a few of his posts. "281.6" isn't a USMC MOS...(SNIP)

What ever you were "Googling", Frank, it wasn't one of MY posts.

All of my MOS's except one started 63xx or 66xx. 8981 was the
fifth.
Most likely you hit one of Lennie's posts wherein he cited one of
his 1950's era MOS's...

Yep. It's been a long day.


I now see the source of my confusion -- those posts would have been a
lot easier to read (i.e, figure out who said what) if you had learned
a little earlier about the standard newsgroup quoting protocol (using
an arrow, , at the beginning of a quoted line).


Steve is quite adept at using arrows. For example, this is one of his
gems:

"MARS IS AMATEUR RADIO"

Now that I have your posts figured out, I see that you do (or did)
tend to brag quite a bit about being a Marine. Hey, I do it myself.
But out here with the civilian crowd it's much easier to speak in
reference to subjects that -they- are familiar with -- the USMC -not-
being one of them. When you cram your military service down their
throats, many of them see it as having an elitist attitude. It's not
your fault, it's not their fault. Wanna blame somebody? Blame the
government -- they tell the military to recruit kids, culture-shock
them into hard-core killing machines, then when their service is
completed dump them back into the civilian population without any sort
of de-programming or re-integration phase.


But Steve claims he's had therapy in conjunction with his early release
from active duty...


He'll deny it today, but he's claimed it in the past.

It's not so suprising that
there are a disproportionate number of homeless people that are vets
when you realize that most of them simply never adjusted to civilian
life.....

Anyway, I'm done ranting. Looks like you have been in a flame war with
this guy for over seven years..... do you actually enjoy it? Do you
think you are winning? Or haven't you ever heard of a killfile?


Steve has been in flame wars with multitudes of amateurs and one
professional. Most have grown tired of the harrassment, and have left
the group. It is his reason for being.


But he can't make me leave.


K4YZ August 19th 05 05:02 PM


wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:


I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

Alla time.


Such as?

True, I won't discuss my service in the Corps,


Especially after slipping up and claiming the seven hostile actions.


It was only a "slip up" in that I allowed myself to get pulled
into Lennie's game.

Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".


OK "Marine."

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.


Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ


Doh!

I guess the little red-hatted monkey in me should have voted on that
one.


Brain...You ARE the little red-hatted monkey...And Lennie's
cranking out your tunes...

Steve, K4YZ


an_old_friend August 19th 05 05:28 PM


KY4Z wrote:
wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
wrote:

cut
True, I won't discuss my service in the Corps,


Especially after slipping up and claiming the seven hostile actions.


It was only a "slip up" in that I allowed myself to get pulled
into Lennie's game.


Stvie admits slip but true to form blames others for his slip up


Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".


OK "Marine."

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.

Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, KY4Z


Doh!

I guess the little red-hatted monkey in me should have voted on that
one.


Brain...You ARE the little red-hatted monkey...And Lennie's
cranking out your tunes...

Steve, KY4Z



[email protected] August 19th 05 08:44 PM


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005 18:19:28 -0700, wrote in
.com:

snip
So..are you the N0IGZ that's expired? If so, why'd you let the
ticket lapse?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.



Try "I am not a ham"..... N7VCF lives on the soggy side of the state.


Report to the Principal's office.


[email protected] August 19th 05 08:46 PM


K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

I guess everyone sees things in degrees, Frank...I have tried to
keep an objective mind after re-reading some of my old posts andjust
don't agree with you. Yes..I let folks know I was a Marine...But NOT
at the point of being "braggard" about it.

really ?

more whoopers

Alla time.

Such as?

True, I won't discuss my service in the Corps,


Especially after slipping up and claiming the seven hostile actions.


It was only a "slip up" in that I allowed myself to get pulled
into Lennie's game.


Poor Steve got tricked by that awful Len into telling lies. That Len
is a bad, bad man. Hi!

Nope. The right to be addressed as "Marine".


OK "Marine."

Steve, try N7VCF before you go casting doubt about Frank's amateur
status.

Seems you're no better at getting it right than I was, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ


Doh!

I guess the little red-hatted monkey in me should have voted on that
one.


Brain...You ARE the little red-hatted monkey...And Lennie's
cranking out your tunes...

Steve, K4YZ


The red-assed monkey in you got it wrong, too, Steve. Or did you
forget?


[email protected] August 19th 05 08:48 PM


an_old_friend wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
wrote:
KY4Z wrote:
wrote:

cut
True, I won't discuss my service in the Corps,

Especially after slipping up and claiming the seven hostile actions.


It was only a "slip up" in that I allowed myself to get pulled
into Lennie's game.


Stvie admits slip but true to form blames others for his slip up


Steve cannot be blamed. That awful Len tricked him into telling lies.



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