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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Mike: Then, where some have pointed out CW is a problem, and then they form NCI and go right on and change it much gain your respect and support, mine too! John That is exactly what I am talking about. They did something besides just talk. Although I did not and do not agree with their particular goal nor do I support their goal, they have my respect for actually working on their issue. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee:
Yes. I agree, and now we must do our part and bring the word that there will not be a element 1. And, help those with an interest in radio to the amateur bands. But, this all depends on no code, so there is a lag while we wait. It doesn't take much to do a lot, every amateur bring one new licensee in, we double the numbers, two we triple, etc. Frankly, it is quite exciting! But, it would probably be too optimistic to expect everyone to participate, some may be "sour grapes" and drag their feet, leaving some to do more... The club here is dominated by "save the code" types, I am not popular there at all and some just avoid me. Hopefully, this will change... probably not, my hide is thick. grin John On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:03:19 -0400, Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Mike: Then, where some have pointed out CW is a problem, and then they form NCI and go right on and change it much gain your respect and support, mine too! John That is exactly what I am talking about. They did something besides just talk. Although I did not and do not agree with their particular goal nor do I support their goal, they have my respect for actually working on their issue. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Mike: Then, where some have pointed out CW is a problem, and then they form NCI and go right on and change it much gain your respect and support, mine too! John That is exactly what I am talking about. They did something besides just talk. Although I did not and do not agree with their particular goal nor do I support their goal, they have my respect for actually working on their issue. As One of them over the years I thank you for your gracious words. They have been rare from the "Other Side" I point out the the Nocoder took the Treaty and FCC and won now we just have to deal with HF, forgive me if it this flip but I think HF will pose an easier task. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
John Smith wrote: Mike: Then, where some have pointed out CW is a problem, and then they form NCI and go right on and change it much gain your respect and support, mine too! I certainly respect Bill. I argue with him sometimes, but We've always kept it civil - tho' I don't think he likes my "predictions" very much! 8^) I even respect Carl, even if he cahnged his mind about some pretty important things. I would offer some advice to him tho': Never say never... - Mike KB3EIA - |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ps.com... cut I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth transition. A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that, certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth. most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to operate This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Those that come in with this type of attitude and expectation are at great risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF Your club has a problem in that case. However we do not have that problem in the club to which I belong. It is approximately half Technicians. Two of our club officers are Technicians. Our club satellite guru was a Technician until quite recently as was our club VHF guru. They all have enthusiasm for the club and ham radio and there is mutual respect. The mutual respect is the key to it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: Yes. I agree, and now we must do our part and bring the word that there will not be a element 1. And, help those with an interest in radio to the amateur bands. But, this all depends on no code, so there is a lag while we wait. I fear you are in for a big disappointment. Dropping the code was never the key. It doesn't take much to do a lot, every amateur bring one new licensee in, we double the numbers, two we triple, etc. I've been beating the drum for years. I've hung my awards in my office. No nibbles. Frankly, it is quite exciting! But, it would probably be too optimistic to expect everyone to participate, some may be "sour grapes" and drag their feet, leaving some to do more... The club here is dominated by "save the code" types, I am not popular there at all and some just avoid me. Hopefully, this will change... probably not, my hide is thick. grin Find a different club. Our club has two "missions" if you will. One is supporting public service events and the other is running amateur radio classes. We are already scheduling classes for the people who will want to ugrade to General under the new system. We figure by the time we get the word around about the changing requirements and the class, arrange a location, have the class set up, and actually go through the class, it should dovetail fairly well with the arrival of the new licensing requirements. The class is likely to start in January. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ... Mike: Then, where some have pointed out CW is a problem, and then they form NCI and go right on and change it much gain your respect and support, mine too! John That is exactly what I am talking about. They did something besides just talk. Although I did not and do not agree with their particular goal nor do I support their goal, they have my respect for actually working on their issue. As One of them over the years I thank you for your gracious words. They have been rare from the "Other Side" I point out the the Nocoder took the Treaty and FCC and won now we just have to deal with HF, forgive me if it this flip but I think HF will pose an easier task. Don't get too carried away. While I admired the fact that they acted instead of talked, I abhored the NCI tactics. As far as I am concerned, they put down the no coders worse than any pro-code advocate ever did by pushing the idea that it was too hard for average people to learn. They also touted how much less power modes like PSK took but omitted including the power requirements for the necessary computer and monitor, which more than wipes out any power consumption advantage. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee Flint wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ps.com... cut I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth transition. A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that, certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth. most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to operate This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Those that come in with this type of attitude and expectation are at great risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. and also with a fair chance of not being blind sided as well, there is no free launch as AMSAT would say I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF Your club has a problem in that case. However we do not have that problem in the club to which I belong. It is approximately half Technicians. Two of our club officers are Technicians. Our club satellite guru was a Technician until quite recently as was our club VHF guru. They all have enthusiasm for the club and ham radio and there is mutual respect. The mutual respect is the key to it. Indeed it does, as did the club I belonged in Springfield IL and several other clubs I have vistied over the years Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
AOF:
As I have been pointing out to you, with my last few posts, taking newbies under your wing and showing them there is nothing to fear. The gov't has granted them their license, certainly no one here is able to question the validity, and those who stoop so low are to be pitied... but, it is only those who can demonstrate this ability now, who will be able to help them then... John On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:40:43 -0700, an_old_friend wrote: Dee Flint wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ps.com... cut I'm really thinking in terms of the many hams who are not involved with any groups. That could be a large percentage. "Elmering" them over the air could be miscontrued yet they too will need help to succeed in a smooth transition. A smooth transition? I don't know who you think is expecting that, certainly not any Techs I know, they are expecting anything but smooth. most are expecting to be insulted and put down , and then told how to operate This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Those that come in with this type of attitude and expectation are at great risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. and also with a fair chance of not being blind sided as well, there is no free launch as AMSAT would say I am marginaly involved in the local club the only tech class they see on a regular basis, and it is clear by how certain folks suddenly stop talking whne I wander near (with sharper ears than most, I had to get something to compendsate for my lousy writing) it is clear the biggest barriar to a "smooth" transition is most likely the folks already on HF Your club has a problem in that case. However we do not have that problem in the club to which I belong. It is approximately half Technicians. Two of our club officers are Technicians. Our club satellite guru was a Technician until quite recently as was our club VHF guru. They all have enthusiasm for the club and ham radio and there is mutual respect. The mutual respect is the key to it. Indeed it does, as did the club I belonged in Springfield IL and several other clubs I have vistied over the years Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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