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Day 9 Stevie when you going to fess up to your lies
Stevie has for some time been spearding the Lie that he could o
something to more than anoy for what he sees as many and manifold sins 9 Days ago I demanded he put up or shut up, I'd prfer of course that he shut up, but it was his choice. His response was to threaten me even further Finaly 7 days ago he claimed to have taken action He has claimed to have taken action that would result in people staring at me or driving past the house differently Action that I would notice Guess what? Stevie Lied. And Stevie can't tolerate Liars yet he lies Stevie claims Lying is a evil on a par with Kiddy Porn and spouse abuse, and yet he lies. when are you going to come clean and admit your lies |
an_old_friend wrote: Stevie has for some time been spearding the Lie that he could o something to more than anoy for what he sees as many and manifold sins "spreading" "do" "annoy" "manifest" No lies, Markie...Except from you. 9 Days ago I demanded he put up or shut up, I'd prfer of course that he shut up, but it was his choice. "prefer" His response was to threaten me even further What threats? Finaly 7 days ago he claimed to have taken action I have. He has claimed to have taken action that would result in people staring at me or driving past the house differently I didn't say they would. I said "Have you noticed?" That's a question, not a statement. Action that I would notice Guess what? Stevie Lied. Nope. And Stevie can't tolerate Liars I don't. That's why you can't post without having obvious mistruths laid bare. yet he lies Nope. Stevie claims Lying is a evil on a par with Kiddy Porn and spouse abuse, and yet he lies. "is AN evil" And no lies. when are you going to come clean and admit your lies Had a real nice hot shower this morning before going to the Huntsville Hamfest. Didn't need one to admit any lies as I haven't lied. You have, however. Mostly to yourself. And your "day-by-day" accounting adds up to more paranoia. Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Steve, K4YZ |
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
KY4Z wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Stevie has for some time been spearding the Lie that he could o something to more than anoy for what he sees as many and manifold sins cuting spelling cop No lies, Markie...Except from you. 9 Days ago I demanded he put up or shut up, I'd prfer of course that he shut up, but it was his choice. cuting more speling cop His response was to threaten me even further What threats? "Be carefull what you ask for" Finaly 7 days ago he claimed to have taken action I have. Nope He has claimed to have taken action that would result in people staring at me or driving past the house differently I didn't say they would. I said "Have you noticed?" That's a question, not a statement. Yes you did more lies Stevie Action that I would notice Guess what? Stevie Lied. Nope. Stevie lied No action that could be noticed let alone even anoy me And Stevie can't tolerate Liars I don't. That's why you can't post without having obvious mistruths laid bare. Then confess your lies You promised action that would be moe than merely anoying You did not deliver so You lied yet he lies Nope. Stevie claims Lying is a evil on a par with Kiddy Porn and spouse abuse, and yet he lies. "is AN evil" And no lies. You promised action that would be more than anoying you did not deliver so you lied It is just that simple I knew you could not deleiver when you made the boastful threat But you did not delever when are you going to come clean and admit your lies Had a real nice hot shower this morning before going to the Huntsville Hamfest. Didn't need one to admit any lies as I haven't lied. You promised actiion that be more than anoying You have, however. Nope just the one admited to years ago Mostly to yourself. I never lie to myself And your "day-by-day" accounting adds up to more paranoia. Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Not paranoia just rubbing your you nose in your lies No effect that can be detected When you going to fess and admit you can't bring down something that I will even notice let alone something that will do more than anoy me And My Day by does seem to be afecting your output of **** so It is worthwhile Steve, KY4Z |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? you noticed Stevie caginess Now if they were combined with bit of caution elsewhere I could understand them Indeed thanks to folks like Stevie ia void anything in here that can be pinned down As to prostate exams well that would fit with Stevie obsesstion about male body parts that he clearly displays BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? I would sugest telling them that it isn't worth their while presuing Him, The Powers that be dlon't care if threaten to kil people on Usenet, most of Law enforcement looks on the place as a sewer. IiT has its uses but with the current crop it is rough even using it to hash out ideas ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 20, 5:21 pm
On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. Oh, ohhh...now begins another tirade of Stebie against the world. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. Welcome to the club, Frank. :-) Stebie gonna shout, "CALL THE VA!" :-) Of course, if one isn't a personnel person in a business or a family member/relation, DETAILS will be null, zero, none. It's a matter of a LAW passed (in the 70s?) by Congress forbidding free and open release of data to just anyone about military records. shrug So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Stebie wouldn't admit it if he was... :-) Stebie now gonna shout, "YOU ARE AGINST HAM RADIO!" or other, unrelated to the subject personal insults in response. It's predictable from past puerility of his. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Well, Frank, all I can say at this point is that we got a NEW kettle of fish to make more bad bouillabaise about in here. :-) vin fiz |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton. What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank who...?!?!" BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. Steve, K4YZ |
On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
. com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton. ......"armor guys"? What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank who...?!?!" You never know. Quite a few friends from boot camp ended up at Pendleton (including one of the Marines currently on active-duty that I contacted), and I was with 2nd AAV for almost a year. I also used to hang out with some of the tankers at Stumps. Don't forget that there weren't too many Marines in garrison after Viet-Nam, and techs were an even smaller group. If you know a radio tech from tanks or amtraks at the same time I was in then there's a real possibility he knows me or I know him (or her, although most WM techs were sent to 4th or 5th echelon stations). Heck, I even know a couple that got stationed in Hawaii, the lucky *******s! But it might help to mention that I went to GRRC at Stumps with the late Cpl. Moses Arnold -- the "class clown", and truly one of the nicest guys you could ever meet (yeah, people say that casually about a lot of people but Moses earned it). To make things even easier for you, would it help if I provided a list of recruits from my platoon at MCRD? Or the Marines from the BE and GRRC classes at MCCES? Or from the Comm Platoons at 3/8 or 2nd AAV? It's not a problem since I remember almost all their names. Most Marines do, which is why I don't think you will have much of a problem finding at least one or two that remember me. So feel free to check with your fellow Marines (assuming, of course, you are telling the truth). And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC, feel free to check the front desk register (late Spring to early Fall, 1984) at the US/UK embassy in Beirut. Or you could email Ollie North (then a Major) who's office was on the 4th floor at the end of the hall opposite to the ambassador's office. He might remember me as the tech from the Nassau who put his sat dish back up after the mortar round bounced off the roof, and replaced the power supply for his URM-201 with the shop's ugly-but-reliable supply with the plywood bottom. (BTW, if you -do- get into contact with Lt. Col. North, ask him if he knows who owned that mint 1961 Chrysler 300 in the back parking lot!) BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. He does that with his threats, too. "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, and terrorized wives." I think he's a creep. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Steve has almost total fixation with Len's "putz." He frequenly used phrases like "bunk-buddy" "in bed with" when referring to two men. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? I'm still waiting to hear Steve's war stories about his claimed "seven hostile actions." The Stolen Valor investigators might be interested. |
K4YZ wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! Oh, oh! There it is Frank. Do you know what Steve says happens to people that "run their mouth off???" Yep! "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, and terrorized wives." Steve said so hisself. Of course, it's always "somebody else" that does the damage. Steve follows the path of Ghandi. Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton. What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank who...?!?!" You had "buds" in the USMC??? BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. Steve, K4YZ Frank, hurry, hurry, hurry!!! Steve said so. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! |
Frank Gilliland wrote: I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Stolen Valor comes to mind when Steve slipped about his "seven hostile actions." |
an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Stevie has for some time been spearding the Lie that he could o something to more than anoy for what he sees as many and manifold sins cuting spelling cop No lies, Markie...Except from you. 9 Days ago I demanded he put up or shut up, I'd prfer of course that he shut up, but it was his choice. cuting more speling cop Mark, how many days do you think Steve can hold out before he starts telling truths? |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:37 am
On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAH?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. You are quite right in your suspicions, Frank. You will note that Robeson, when challenged, will immediately go into deliberate misdirection with his hyena laughter or the accusations of some sort of personal perfidy. It's almost SOP for him. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. :-) so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. We all do. :-) snip BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. :-( I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. Earlier on, Robeson tried to avoid naming anything by stating "he couldn't give away any secrets." A rather stupid remark in iteself since the NAMES of radio-electronics equipment has NOT been secret, has been published in Defense Electronics trade magazine, been on the various branches' procurement IFBs (Invitation For Bid), government reports, and so forth. Their names, general function, all have been on public documents for a half century. Brochures and pamphlets have been released for publication about many forms of communications, done by military units themselves...one of which is the main part of: http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history...phabetsoup.pdf Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. Only an eighth of a million of those two types were produced. He couldn't recall a single airborne radio name, not even the venerable AN/ARC-27 (before his time, really) or the (after his time) AN/ARC-210. He didn't know the SINCGARS family of all-service small-unit radios even though a quarter million sets were produced between 1989 and 2004. Radios. Military radios. "Not known" by someone who had been in the Corps for 18 years, claiming to be "in" radio communications? Highly unlikely. None of the "military radio experience" posters in here knew the military designation of the Collins KWM-2 transceiver, often used in MARS operations in Vietnam. A ham, an Extra, who isn't familiar with Collins Radios? Highly unlikely. In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years, "due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Only one out of about seven military land forces, Army or Marines, are IN any combat zone or actual fighting territory during a "hostile action." Second, Robeson has NEVER DEFINED HIS "hostile action" in any specifics as to WHEN and WHERE. He has glossed it over in generalities "explaining" that he "knows it and need not explain it to us." He usually remarks that HE has the "documentation" for it but it remains unseen by the rest of us. He postures and preens, implies greatness but without details. In other words, BS. A classic case of Robeson's word-twisting is his "dishonoring" charge that I "embellish my military career" by honoring the 19 members of my Signal Battalion killed in a transport crash on 1 July 1950, three years before I was assigned to that Battalion. "My" battalion lost 4 more afterwards. I have a list of all those names, even their ASNs (Army Serial Numbers) and honor them especially every Memorial Day when I join other veterans in Memorial Day ceremonies, even for simple things like putting flags on their gravesites. That sort of word- twisting has become common to Robeson's postings in here, an extreme sensitivity (or volatility) to anything negative against his words spat out in a flurry of personal insults. Take his use of the word "Putz" above his message signatures. He isn't of a Yiddish ethnic group, isn't a Jew, yet he uses a Yiddish pejorative freely as if he were. [as a pejorative it means "penis head" in reference to one who can only think with his penis] That four-letter word is "acceptible" yet if another poster is quoted using four-letter words they are octothorped-out (the octothorpe or # symbol replacing the letters). This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Using such things is also easy enough to do...in generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very short on specifics. Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms. He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps. He uses phrases like "pilot in command" of a general aviation single-engine aircraft like he was the commander of a 747. :-) He gets what he probably wanted all the time - ATTENTION. He manages to cuss out every one of his opponents in any thread, turning that thread into a running battle of Stebie FIGHTS The World...heaping abuse on his "opponents" as if his life depends on it. Maybe it does. TEM fry |
From: on Aug 21, 10:34 am
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. He does that with his threats, too. "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, and terrorized wives." I think he's a creep. Don't forget the "...just a few ounces of pressure" classic, or "I will be up your way soon [and confront you]" impled threat, or "I only have to pick up a phone and my authority will have you picked up!" (which I think is the topper of them all). So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Steve has almost total fixation with Len's "putz." Jealousy? :-) He frequenly used phrases like "bunk-buddy" "in bed with" when referring to two men. Oy, veh, such a schlemiel! :-) [has Stebie been to Temple yet?] BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? I'm still waiting to hear Steve's war stories about his claimed "seven hostile actions." The Stolen Valor investigators might be interested. Maybe we could get the producers of "CSI" to do a special episode on the resolution of all this? Get him on the stainless steel "bed" and do a Y-cut to check his innards? Or maybe the Home and Garden TV Channel for a special Lawn Order show? :-) [I find more entertainment in watching my hard disk defrag...:-) ] gun poo |
From: John Smith on Aug 21, 2:12 pm
Len: We share the same fondness for stories of fiction, daredevils and men saving the world with a brass key. "Fondness" is a bit strong for me... :-) A GOOD tall tale is fun. Too many tales in one place and you've got a conclave of coders. Secret agent types who the gov't has hidden away in secret and strategic positions on this planet--posing under the guise of amateur radio operators with hobby permits... In an "undisclosed location" (next door to Dick Cheney). Ready and waiting to SAVE THE WORLD from terrorists!!! Diabolical, don't ya think? Those stupid terrorists probably don't even have a clue!!! Machiavellian in concept. :-) Of course, those terrorists are already stupid, so the whole thing is just a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber." :-) Maybe we could get the producers of "CSI" to do a special episode on the resolution of all this? Get him on the stainless steel "bed" and do a Y-cut to check his innards? Or maybe the Home and Garden TV Channel for a special Lawn Order show? :-) [I find more entertainment in watching my hard disk defrag...:-) ] Actually, I should stay with HGTV. I can drive over to the Media Center studios (its on the same street as the Hill Street Cafe) and talk to Carol Duvall on it. She could have all these cut-ups on her Arts & Crafts show! Ah, something to do on Monday! Has possibilities! :-) vid biz |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 04:39:01 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in . com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. BBWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Thank you for that passive-agressive response; it did much to confirm my suspicions. I am sure it did. But then I am beginning to see a pattern too... After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? Well, "Frank", you have the same OFFICIAL resources at your disposal as I do, Even more than you might expect. so I recommend you use them instead, rather than making foolish statements that land you squarely in the "running my mouth off without adequate substantiation of my position" behind them! I call it like I see it. Then your vision is in need os assessment by a good opthamologist of your choice. Several of my "buds" (with whom I still stay in contact with) from the MCAS El Toro Aero Club were tracks and armor guys from Pendleton. ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. What are the odds if I say "Who's Frank Gilliland and what did he do for the Marines?" that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Frank who...?!?!" You never know. Quite a few friends from boot camp ended up at Pendleton (including one of the Marines currently on active-duty that I contacted), and I was with 2nd AAV for almost a year. I also used to hang out with some of the tankers at Stumps. Don't forget that there weren't too many Marines in garrison after Viet-Nam, and techs were an even smaller group. If you know a radio tech from tanks or amtraks at the same time I was in then there's a real possibility he knows me or I know him (or her, although most WM techs were sent to 4th or 5th echelon stations). Heck, I even know a couple that got stationed in Hawaii, the lucky *******s! But it might help to mention that I went to GRRC at Stumps with the late Cpl. Moses Arnold -- the "class clown", and truly one of the nicest guys you could ever meet (yeah, people say that casually about a lot of people but Moses earned it). To make things even easier for you, would it help if I provided a list of recruits from my platoon at MCRD? Or the Marines from the BE and GRRC classes at MCCES? Or from the Comm Platoons at 3/8 or 2nd AAV? It's not a problem since I remember almost all their names. Most Marines do, which is why I don't think you will have much of a problem finding at least one or two that remember me. So feel free to check with your fellow Marines (assuming, of course, you are telling the truth). My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. Steve, K4YZ |
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On 21 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700, wrote in
. com: snip Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. I wouldn't call it "small" -- those puppies get mighty heavy on a forced march. A "small" radio would be the PRC-68. But the RT-841 (the RT used for the PRC-77) was the bread and butter of ground radio comm. snip In much earlier newsgroup postings, Robeson stated he had a medical discharge to explain not completing a full 20 years, "due to an accident." Then, after several days, he changed that to "honorable" claiming it was "changed later" by some unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] A medical discharge is an administrative, or "general", discharge "under honorable conditions". They are not changed to "honorable" unless there were mitigating circumstances that led to the original discharge being incorrect. But there is no way he would have been granted retirement benefits without serving the full 20 years. (And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.) Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." I can't find that post. First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Upon completion of MOS training, some are allowed to request a particular duty station at first. Sometimes that request is granted. After that it's a crap shoot. snip This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) In all fairness, I knew quite a few Marines that didn't swear. Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Very easy. What's missing from his stories are unique experiences. Using such things is also easy enough to do...in generalities. Imposters slip up when confronted with DETAILS or specific-time/era-use phrases that weren't familiar to the pharse-user's time. Robeson is big on generalities, very short on specifics. Robeson wants to be a Big Name. Any which way he can. He is military-minded, with any photo of him on the 'web IN UNIFORM of some sort, green scrubs to CAP-patched flight suit. He is an amateur extra, yet never worked IN military radio comms. He bragged of having a civilian private pilot's license before joining the Corps yet never became Air Crew in the Corps. I got to fly a Huey for about 5 seconds, then the pilot pulled us out of the spin. I've heard it said that flying a helicopter is like roller-skating on a greased bowling ball. I agree. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: snip ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave. snip My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown. That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest. Like when someone writes me a check and I go to their bank to cash it. I stand there with a camera in my face while they ask me for two pieces of ID and a thumbprint. One day I asked them how they can verify that I'm the same Frank Gilliland to whom the check was written (since there are at least three of us in this town). After a Bush-long pause the teller finally admitted that he couldn't make that distinction. Duh. And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts. I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. yada, yada, yada. BTW, one of them wants to follow up with this because apparently it's a crime to impersonante a military officer -including- non-coms, active -or- retired. So what should I tell him, "Gunny"? Whelp, all I can say is use some of those same OFFICIAL sources to keep from looking like a fool, Frank. But I'd also say "hurry" because your credibility is slipping. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your story. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. snip No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't used them. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? Sounds like Lennie's arguments. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Steve, K4YZ |
KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, yet obviously haven't used them. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Sounds like Lennie's arguments. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do wether that has anything to do with you is another matter In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Steve, KY4Z |
On 21 Aug 2005 20:33:22 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. I see you haven't yet read my other reply. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. You have provided nothing to me except vague generalizations. No verifiable details at all. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. Wrong again: ++++++++++ On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:21:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote in : On 20 Aug 2005 16:31:11 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in s.com: snip Methinks I have had more effect than you care to admit. Methinks you are full of sewage about your USMC career. After parsing your posts I got suspicious because you revealed some details but nothing verifiable -- almost like you were very careful not to declare anything that could be proven to be a lie. So I emailed several of my old Marine buds (a couple are still active duty). None of them remember any avionics tech named Robeson, although two of them remember a Navy -corpsman- named Robeson that got into trouble for giving unnecessary prostate exams. You wouldn't be him, would you? ++++++++++++ That's three times you have misrepresented my statements. If you are going to mount a defensive argument then at least stick to the facts. Otherwise you are just validating everything others here are saying about you. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? Quite a few. Back when I was active, the three batallions of the 8th regiment were rotated into the 22nd and 24th MAUs. I was deployed with the 24th MAU on The USS Nassau. This ship is an LHA -- basically it's a small aircraft carrier with a massive well deck. It can accomodate a lot of different aircraft including the Cobra, Huey, CH-46, CH-53, OV-10 and Harrier. Being a Marine in the avionics field you should have already known this. In fact, if you -were- USMC for 18 years it's more than likey that you would had served aboard an LHA or a similar amphibious assault ship. Either way you would have known of both their existence and their capabilities. Or was that just a rhetorical question? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. Why? I was just responding the same way you respond to other people in this group. You're the spelling cop, aren't you? And again, I didn't "insinuate" that I have any more resources than you -- just that there are more resources available to -both- of us than you might realize. It doesn't matter if you happen to be sleeping with a records clerk at HQMC. You HAVE alleged to have these resources, Yet another misrepresentation. yet obviously haven't used them. The DOD records are available at www.military.com. There was indeed a Steve Robeson, USMC, E-7, and in avionics. But you have yet to prove that you are him. Mr Gilliland is challenged to use those resources. Anything less, assuming his suggestions are factual, is bufoonery. It appears that, for several years, -you- have been challenged to support your claims about your military service. That pretty much makes -you- the bufoon. Hardly. I've been asked to provide specifics. I've provided more than enough. ......uh, where? You have a jillion or so posts on Google. I'm not going to spend a month reading through all your flame wars just to find out a couple tidbits that you can simply retype. I can't (won't) give my service number as it was also my SSN. Did I ask for it? So you now have my last grade, my MOS fields, and even the dates of my two SNCO selection boards. A quick perusal of "Navy Times" archives with Selection Board result will, at the very least, verify my having served. That you care to "diss" the rest is irrelevent. You're still missing the big picture, Steve. See my other post. I'm not worried about my credibility. On the contrary, -you- have yet to give a direct answer to any specific question regarding your cruise in the USMC. Robeson has only ONCE made ANY reference to radio or electronic equipment name, nomenclature, or familiar name. That one time was in regards to MARS radio equipments. Eighteen years as an avionics MOS and he can't name a single piece of equipment by formal or familiar name? Unheard of in my service days, in my work, including field trips to the military installations and being around servicemen IN radio-electronics. I am still at a loss as to understand how Avionics nomenclatures are relevent here... Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? For the same reason that declaring your career in the USMC was neessary [sic]..... it's not. But you made the claim so back it up. Sounds like Lennie's arguments. If that was intended to somehow discredit the validity of the argument, well, it didn't. Facts are facts regardless of the source. No...YOU implied "greatness". I only acknowledged that I had the misfortune of being in places where we got shot at. Philly? Or just a few field ops? I'll tell you what a "hostile action" is, Steve: First of all, it's in a place where the Holiday Inn is pocked full of holes ranging in size from .22 caliber to whatever an RPG can do in concrete. You don't know what an RPG can do to concrete? Depends on the concrete. Hit a weak spot and it makes a big ****ing hole that you can walk through. Hit some of that steel-reinforced high-grade stuff and it just skins the surface down to the rebar. You could see both on the South wall. It's when you sew a target (the US flag) on your shoulder and stroll through a country in the midst of a chaotic civil war, occupied by peoples that are mortal enemies, most of whom hate Americans and have bigger guns than you. Thankfully I never had to do that. That much I figured out already. It's when you shoot strangers but don't care because your adrenalin is flowing too heavy to think about your actions. It's when the air is thick with the smell of gunpowder and rotting flesh. Sounds very Clancyesque. No, it's very horrific. And I'm not suprised that you equate war with popular fiction -- most civilians do. So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Ah yes, the scullery! Lot's of action there, but nobody shooting at you. Maybe working the butts at the rifle range.... now -there's- something that fits your definition of "hostile action". So you qualified seven times in 18 years..... that's about right. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. I have never said, or even suggested, that Ollie has anything to do with my resources. You are trying to connect the dots into a picture that doesn't exist. As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. More excuses. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Let's check to see what the FACTS are, shall we? ++++++++++ On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:20:30 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote in : On 15 Aug 2005 01:08:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in s.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 14 Aug 2005 15:15:28 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z, that great bully and bragard alleegded Marine..... Really? What units and when? "Braggard" "alleged" Nothing "braggard about being a Marine, Markie. Frank, E-mail me directly if you care to. I'd be gald to tell you directly. Either you were a Marine or you weren't. Why the secrecy? Did you serve under Colonel Vinson at Ft. Gordon or something? +++++++++ Looks to me like I did NOT snip that part of your post; in fact, I even REPLIED to it. You, however, did -not- reply. Regardless, I will snip no more messages if that makes you happy. And there's nothing that prevented you from e-mailing me first. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. ......uh-oh, here come the paranoia police! Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", Who said my references were "impeccable"? Not me. I wasn't exactly the 'model Marine'. Heck, I was suprised when they promoted me back to PFC (for the third time) just a month before I was discharged. Enough with your misrepresentations, Steve. yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Sure I do. Wanna hear what I have to say about the service in general or about the few cronies that screw it up? Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: (And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.) I was trying to keep an open mind as to YOUR "status" as a Marine and your experience in matters of the Armed Forces... Until this. Gunnery Sergeant (and indeed pay grade E7 throughout the services as a whole) is the MEDIAN retirement rank. Also, Marines abbreviate "Gunnery Sergeant" as "GySgt"...Not "Gy.Sgt" My suspiscions as to you being a LenniePhantom and gleaning your "knowledge from Clancy novels is vindicated. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"... It just makes the LennieRants more colorful. Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information, yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"... Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty without giving you my SSAN to do it with. You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis" my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV of my service here. You were in an AAV unit so of course you know EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years ago. LenniePhantom. Steve, K4YZ |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave. Very colorful. snip My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown. That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest. Uh huh...Two "Steven J Robeson"...With the exact same DOB...?!?! Right..................... Snip And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts. I already have. You simply wish to argue. LenniePhantom I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. yada, yada, yada. Guess you don't like having it thrown back at you...especially when there's nothing in your defense you can say about it. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your story. I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him. Again...colorful. Clancyesque. That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio, have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best. Steve, K4YZ |
an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident. I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part Nope. More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those resources. because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? "apolize"...?!?! I said "excuse me", Markie. Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Why? What bit of knowledge about the nomenclature of avionics systems that were developed before I reached puberty and were antiquated before I got on Active Duty could be of the least bit of interest, other than to give Lennie some tidbit to make weeks-long rants out of...?!? So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do "Marines" is capitalized, Markie. And yes, I was a "real" Marine. wether that has anything to do with you is another matter So you think. In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy Yes, "realy". without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who was African American. Only one of us named Steve. You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have. Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source, there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid". As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different I did. You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS "advance a "callsign"...?!?! "expect on MARS"...?!?! If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct. No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I assume that s what you meant) on the MARS program. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie "paranoia", Markie. And no, just an observation. Steve, K4YZ |
KY4Z wrote: an_old_friend wrote: KY4Z wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "KY4Z" wrote in .com: wrote: snip More SOP responses from Robeson. He avoids the direct response, trying to imply that anyone who challenges him is a "fool" or worse. It's an old tactic in pubs-newsgroup word warfare. Nope. It's the "tactic" of truth. Mr Gilliland insinuates that I didn't serve in the Marines Wrong. I didn't "insinuate" anything -- I made a clear and blunt accusation that you are lying about your military service because you have consistently refused to provide anything substantial to back up your claims. Then your claim to have the resources you allege is fraudulent. Well your claims that you can cause Medical and Legal authorities to act I have. That they don't move at the speed-of-light is evident. 11 days sure right they are playing with me and the safety of the public why don't you admit your lie? It is easier that way I've given you (and others here) more than enough to determine that my "claim" of having served in the United States Marine Corps is valid. Not realy another lie on your part Nope. not realy More than enough...Name, grade, DOB, even gave "Frank" my last two promotion board dates...Still finds excuses to "dismiss" those resources. becuase they are not proof that any of it has anything to do with YOU because he allegedly spoke with a couple of "buds" who are in the Air Wing. Wrong again. I didn't say they were in the "Air Wing", although I did know a few Marines that were stationed at Cherry Point (just a stone's throw from Geiger -- we used to hang out at the Second Front area). You said they were in Avionics. So...How many Avionics Technicians do fleet units have, Frank? He furthermore drops the name of LtCol Olivere North, and further insinuates he has significant resources at his disposal that would, seemingly, indicate that I didn't serve. I think his name is Oliver, not Olivere. Excuse me. and when you going to apolize? "apolize"...?!?! I said "excuse me", Markie. no apology there Because someone with the experience you claim would have intimate familiarity with the equipment. You have failed to demonstrate -any- such familiarity -at all-. And such familiarity in an Amateur Radio POLICY forum is neessary...WHY? It is curious however with your back ground that you don't Why? because it tends to show you a liar as has been said many times before Why do you need everything repeated over and over again cuting more evasion So Steve..... how does an avionics tech wind up in not just one but -seven- such predicaments? Because Marines do more than what their MOS suggests. Real marines do "Marines" is capitalized, Markie. weall know you can play at speeling cop And yes, I was a "real" Marine. but not an honest one wether that has anything to do with you is another matter So you think. of course I do. at one point you were goign on about a sniper now an avoincs tech indeed I have to wonder if either has any truth In other words, BS. Nope. I just don't discuss military duties here. You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. Yep more Stevies lies Nope. You are the one that tried to demand respect becuase you were a marine You made it an issue and then you start telling lies As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. Not realy Yes, "realy". without the SSN which you wisely choose not to provide you can't verify much of anything, esp with a name like yours At one time there were no more than 3 Robeson's on active duty in the USMC. Myself, one who was an ATC in Yuma, and the other fellow who was African American. Only one of us named Steve. none of whish proves you are the Steve We have inf act no proof you are Steve as opposed to James You may simply pick out those dates of the selection boards of someone else Uh huh...righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. This is why I do not offer any MORE information than what I have. Even when I DO provide some irrefuteable third party source, there's some cowardly excuse as to why it's not "valid". You have never provided irrefutable proof In cliaiming you have you are either lying or showing you don't know the meaning of the word "Proof" As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. If you had provided anything with any solid basis it might be different I did. You advance a Callsign and claim it proves you an expect on MARS "advance a "callsign"...?!?! "expect on MARS"...?!?! If what you MEANT to say that I provided ALL of my callsigns in various MARS programs at one time or another to verify that I HAD been an ACTIVE and PARTICIPATING member, you'd be correct. and the callsgins prove nothing of the kind they prove you might have been an active member No where, in ANY post have I EVER suggested I was an "expert" (I assume that s what you meant) on the MARS program. Bull**** I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Why should he? He says he's a Marine. Why wouldn't he? avoiding the question. it was and remains "why should he?" why should he play your games? This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. Such Parania Stevie "paranoia", Markie. And no, just an observation. paranoia like when you accused me of hiring him Steve, KY4Z |
From: Frank Gilliland on Aug 21, 6:25 pm
On 21 Aug 2005 13:19:18 -0700, wrote in Robeson couldn't even name the very common all-service small-unit radio of his early time, the AN/PRC-25 or PRC-77. I wouldn't call it "small" -- those puppies get mighty heavy on a forced march. A "small" radio would be the PRC-68. But the RT-841 (the RT used for the PRC-77) was the bread and butter of ground radio comm. True, but "small" in weight depends on the era of use. The PRC-8, -9, -10 that the PRC-25 replaced were fully backpack carry while the -25 and -77 are not. The -25 was first and had one vacuum tube in the final amplifier (everything else solid state). The -77 was ALL solid-state plus some other minor changes. For about a 1965 design start it was state-of-the-art then. BTW, the first REAL "walkie-talkie" of WW2 was the SCR-300 (with BC-1000 R/T) of WW2. The full-on assembly weighed in about38 pounds and the handset was cobbled from a standard telephone handset having a push-to-talk lever. Far from the H-33 and its descendents still in the inventory. I've got a little paper on that SCR-300 at Harold Hallikainen's website for history. A plateau-jump in design in its time. http://kauko.hallikainen.org/history/equipment/ Click on Motorola to get the TheFirstWalkieTalkie.pdf. Appendix C is kind of interesting, a "horse mobile" transceiver that Motorola produced in 1943 but didn't design...battery-powered radio-on-a-guidon-pole that fit into a military cavalry saddle guidon socket. Only problem was that, by 1943, there was NO MORE horse cavalry in the U.S. Army! :-) Infantry and others used this HF-only set, an addition of a vehicle mount was done for Jeeps and trucks. unspecified authority. Medical discharges are given for a variety of reasons, not always due to physical disabilities. [that's in Google archives] A medical discharge is an administrative, or "general", discharge "under honorable conditions". They are not changed to "honorable" unless there were mitigating circumstances that led to the original discharge being incorrect. But there is no way he would have been granted retirement benefits without serving the full 20 years. (And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.) GySgt was an E-7 (same as SFC in Army)...USMC enlisted ratings go to E-9, Sergeant Major. I don't think Stebie would con anyone on saying he was that other E-9, Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps! :-) I was Honorably Discharged in April 1960 as an E-5. Curious thing with Army insignia for about a decade: They dropped the "buck sergeant" three chevrons, no rockers, insignia and began all NCOs with rockers. They also dropped the "recruit" rank in favor of Private-1 (no stripe), elevated to Private-2 on passing Basic Training (Army and Air Force don't have "boot camp"), then began PFC as E-3 with one chevron. Corporal was E-3, two chevrons. The enlisted insignia changed once again around the mid 1960s, restoring the "buck sergeant" sans rockers. Hmmmm...the only time I have a medical discharge now is blood work twice a year. I DO study for that test and pass it each time. :-) Robeson has consistently tried to make fun of others' military assignments, claiming his (classic) been in "seven hostile actions." I can't find that post. I've seen it, Brian Burke has seen it. I know he wrote it as clearly as he wrote his classic "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) A classic "rebuke" in newsgroups is "show me where I said that!" in terms of great outrage. :-) Anyone who falls for that has to go back to archives (we used to have DejaNews but Google bought them), search for the post, copy it out, paste it on the return post...and find that the "outraged" will not respond, say it is "false", or rationalize it saying "he meant something 'else.'" :-) First of all servicemenbers don't have any choice of what they do, they go and do whatever they are assigned, wherever commanded. Upon completion of MOS training, some are allowed to request a particular duty station at first. Sometimes that request is granted. After that it's a crap shoot. Some of the military experts in here never served. They think not being assigned to a combat area was somehow a negative moral attribute, cowardice implied of course. :-( They've read all the books, seen all the movies, watched all the TV shows and KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE! :-) This fierce warrior, self-promoted "seven hostile action" implied hero can't even swear like a Marine among other veterans? Highly unlikely. :-) In all fairness, I knew quite a few Marines that didn't swear. OK, we differ. :-) Phrases and euphemisms identified with the USMC are easy to get in literature and from TV and movies (tons of that material). Very easy. What's missing from his stories are unique experiences. Them we ain't got yet. Not in six-plus years. :-( What we get instead is a constant barrage of personal insults directed at us...but no definite answers of his. He's got a CON going and loves that too much. shrug con gam |
From: "K4YZ" on Sun 21 Aug 2005 20:33
Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:50:37 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in wrote: You have already discussed your military service here so that excuse is moot. Try again. Nope. As much as anyone else here, "Frank", you have more than enough information to validate my service, assuming your insinuations of intimacy with such notables as LtCol North are accurate. "...insinuations of intimacy with..."? :-) As I have found with OTHERS here, even when you DO give specifics, the pat answer is "So, we just accept it because you say so?" , and it's "just one more thing" to add to the flame war. It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is. Tsk, tsk, tsk. We all "must" accept Stebie's "word" on HIS service, yet all he can do is shout "call the VA!" :-) "It doesn't matter how objective or reliable the corroborating source is..." if its against what Stebie said or if Stebie no like it, it is a "LIE." :-) Poor Stebie...he can't stand up to scrutiny and his "respone" is to heap abuse on the personals of his challengers. I also notice you snipped the line where I suggested you e mail me directly and I'd provide more than enough information, off group. You didn't even take the time to answer it HERE, let alone privately. Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making with a Confidence Game piece of BS. This leads me to believe that it's most likely that if you did and I research the headers, we'll find some close relationship between you and one of the Infamous Four. "...close relationship?!?" :-) Anyone can "research headers" and find the ISP of a poster, and that's about IT. :-) Sorry, little Stebie, but nobody has hacked the IEEE website for the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers professional association. I may be the only one with that "header origin." I have NO "relationship" with Frank, with Mark or with Brian Burke, or Todd, don't know them personally, haven't met them, don't even live close to them (don't know where Frank lives, but that is irrelevant). WE all SHARE a feeling that all you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug Lastly, I find it curious (and certainly lends significant credence to doubting you and YOUR stories...) that you show up from no where in an Amateur Radio forum, CLAIM to be a former Marine with impeccable "references", yet have absolutely nothing to say ABOUT Amateur Radio policy. Tell us how the USMC "career" of Stebie Robeson "affects amateur radio policy?" :-) Tell us how the Civil Air Patrol "pilot in command" experience relates to amateur radio policy? :-) Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. Poor baby, feeling worried are you? YOU just POST some verifiable REAL claims to your statements in order to be believed. So far all you've done is shout "call the VA!" [the VA will NOT divulge details unless one is a family member or a reputable, verifiable personnel department of a company or a verifiable agent of a police force] You could digitize your DD214 and have it available for private e-mail (this newsgroup doesn't carry binaries) to PROVE your military release from active duty. It's only one page long. But, you won't, claiming some "personal outrage" at having to do such a thing! Oh, my. We are all supposed to BELIEVE you, right? While everyone else not believing you LIES?" :-) con gam |
wrote: Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making with a Confidence Game piece of BS. You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an number of topics, Lennie. You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance. WE all SHARE a feeling that all you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and dishonesty. You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs, con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
here BTw is stevie accusing me of hiring Frank
Well, Markie...Glad you were able to hire someone to "support" you! K4YZ wrote: wrote: Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making with a Confidence Game piece of BS. You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an number of topics, Lennie. You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance. You have not given anything to verify one can verify the existance of a marine but nothing to contecting it you WE all SHARE a feeling that all you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and dishonesty. You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs, con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them. Putz. more of your sex obsession Steve, K4YZ |
From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 1:14 pm
wrote: Stebie, it takes as much time to write a single private e-mail as it does to write a PUBLIC posting in here. Just write your response IN PUBLIC if you want to be believed. That way anyone can check it out as they wish. If it is verifiable, it will be be believed. If it isn't verifiable, then you are just making with a Confidence Game piece of BS. You've been GIVEN information IN PUBLIC that can be verified on an number of topics, Lennie. Those consist solely of Stebie's messages. That is all. You blow it off with your own little song-and-dance. "Song and dance?" :-) [just a minute while I put on my Haney plates and move the rug...] [dancers count in Octal, did you know that? :-) ] "Song and Dance" Listings I've made: 1. Short-form WORK RESUME, not a "CV" or Curriculum Vitae. Curriculum Vitae is for academics, is a whole Life Experience listing. 2. Names and callsigns of living radio amateurs (N2JTV, KD6JG, W6MJN) who know me (Gene was IN my signal battalion and worked at the same transmitting station, different shift). 3. Issue date of the Pacific Stars and Stripes military newspaper which had my interview in it, still archived at the www.estripes website. 4. E-mail digitized copy of my first 'First Phone license certificate which you said you didn't look at (impossible to verify that a recipient has looked at anything). 5. Twice given others' listings of Ham Radio magazine articles indexes which include my articles published there plus mention of the fact that I was on their masthead as Associate Editor in the 1980s (sold to CQ Communications in 1990 after 22 years of independent publishing). 6. Included mentions of enough events, history, details of the entire radio world to indicate a familiarity with that documented history, giving specific websites for information to verify that. 7. Given websites' URLs for collections for some of my papers on radio. 8. Given websites for verification of DoD directives, government radio activities, the NTIA (including Reports), radio history other than ARRL versions of same. 9. Given book references on radio history and theory. ALL of that is verifiable by anyone, anyone who cares to LOOK, write the corporations' personnel departments about my employment, or write the individuals I've listed. In addition, I've made all of my PC programs for radio-electronics freeware. I've mentioned only one, LCie4 (design-analysis of passive L-C filters) in public communications with Jim Weir, (WX6RST?) both in here and in rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. NONE of what I've said/written is any sort of fabrication. It is ALL independently verifiable. NONE of it is "song and dance." Do we readers of this newsgroup see anything remotely similar from Stebie? NO! All we get is vague generalities, no details, smokescreened by innumerable personal insults against the challengers in an attempt to divert attention. WE all SHARE a feeling that all you do is lay down a Snow Job, A Con Game Scam, lots of BS, and a bunch of other nefarious braggadoccio. shrug So far you also share (with the exception of "Frank") deceit and dishonesty. What "deceit" and "dishonesty?" Anyone is free to independently verify for themselves what I've said is TRUE. You seem to be operating from your own fantasy world where you IMAGINE what others "really are." THAT is wrong, that isn't the real world where the rest of us live. You REFUSE TO ACCEPT what some of us have done in radio-electronics and prefer to engage in petty squabbling and Flame War ignition because you get challenged on your own opinions. Your ego is seemingly so sensitive that you can't stand anything negative said about your opinions, attitudes, or general comportment...yet you insist on being "blameless" for heaping personal abuse on others IN PLACE OF replying on the SUBJECT under discussion. You've done the latter as shown quoted above. You do the same thing in the quoted text following - You also have COPIOUS quantities of your own snow jobs, con games, BS, and nefarious braggadoccio in this forum, Lennie...Your pointing finger has plenty of all of them dripping off of them. ANYONE can verify my "background" (work/hobby/life experiences) from the references I've given in public. Independently verify them. Having a different opinion on something is NOT a "snow job," "con game", "BS", or (love this one) "nefarious braggadoccio". It is simply HAVING A DIFFERENT OPINION. That YOU don't like an opinion different from yours is NOT some kind of "exemption" to call others names, to insult them. Yet, you routinely insult, demean, heap abuse on those who differ in their opinions. Sooner or later you MUST learn to take it in regards to differing opinions. The real world does NOT run on Stebie fantasies or ego-centric thought. All you need do is to post some VERIFIABLE information or have some digitized documents available for e-mail to prove your statements. You SHOULD state YOUR case on "experiences" in enough first-person detail so that others - who have shared similar experiences - can judge whether or not they are "true." Avoid the constant barrage of petty insults thrown at those who challenge you in place of supplying verifiable references. The constant, almost unremitting Flame War you engage in here only makes "your case" unbelievable, as if your whole reason- for-being is to FIGHT with everyone. I'm sure there's a "rec" newsgroup just for FIGHTING. Go there and work out if you must. Remember that THIS newsgroup is for recreational radio, amateur policy matters, NOT "Stebie Against The World." Oh, work on your salesmanship skills. All good con men are salesmen at heart. So far you've not sold much...if anything. for gon |
From: K4YZ on Aug 22, 7:35 am
Frank Gilliland wrote: Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"... It just makes the LennieRants more colorful. Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information, yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"... So far we've got NOTHING but vagueness. Must be a lot of that vagueness stuff going around... Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty without giving you my SSAN to do it with. "SSAN?" :-) "Lesssee"...You claim that you were "in seven hostile actions." Tsk, we don't know the Where or When of your involvement. "Lesssee"...You claim to have been an "avionics tech" yet you've been UNABLE to mention a single piece of aviation electronics by nomenclature or familiar name. [were you "brain-wiped" on leaving the Corps?] "Lesssee"...You've NOT mentioned a single name of a "bud" or Corps comrade who can be reached for independent verification of your Corps existance...after 18 years of service you have NO friends or references? [that's cause for alarm to everyone right there] You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette yet try and "dis" my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV of my service here. "...proper USMC etiquette...?" [did your mess tables have little doilies and place settings? :-) ] Tsk, Stebie had better look up "curriculum vitae" in his Latin dictionary. Those of us who WORKED FOR A LIVING in the radio- electronics industry called it a "resume" (pronouce it "resz- u-may") and, lo and behold, so did the Human Resources folks (fancy new name for Personnel Departments)! You were in an AAV unit so of course you know EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years ago. Don't YOU? :-) Tsk, back a few years in here, I made a humorous mention of "Street Road" going through Bucks County, PA. A big Flame War erupted about my being at Naval Air Development Center in Warminster, PA (as a field engineer for my employer, RCA Corporation, specifically on air tests of an R&D collision-avoidance system). I was there in the winter of '71-'72 for three months plus three other short trips there in '72. At NO time did I ever "seek employment" there or "work for the USN" at any time (I worked for a private corporation). YOU said "you knew several" there that were "your buds" who aid I "wasn't a good employee" or words to that effect. That was a fabrication but you did not yield ANY details about me or your "buds" or even where I was working (the Warminster NAS or Naval Air Station, a one-runway field was bisected by a road separating it from the NADC main building...I was mainly in the main building). Later on, in here, you brought out some UNNAMED "now-PhD" who "knew me" back then and said "I was not a good employee [of the Navy]." You kept insisting that unnamed person was "real" yet you "were obliged to keep his identity secret." That's ten kinds of BS crock, Stebie. In the short three months bisected by year- end Holidays, I worked directly with only 3 civilian employees of the USN, was NEVER a USN employee, always had a Visitor badge worn in addition to my RCA badge, met some of the pilots and aircrew (enlisted all USN, one civilian pilot, three USN commission pilots), and assorted USN and civilian NADC and NAS workers. The three civilians I worked with directly all retired long ago but here are their initials: S O B M J R - all you have to do is get them in pairs to think up their names...and then NAME the NADC section I was visiting for this R&D program's flight test for the U.S. government, NOT specifically for Navy development. While you are at it, you have to name the OTHER private corporation who ALSO had their anti-collision system flight tested there also for the U.S. government, not for Navy development. Feel free to name the USN aircraft used in those flight tests if you wish...I was in ALL of them. You CANNOT complete any of those requirements, Stebie, because - if you were really assigned to Warminster NAS - you were there TEN YEARS AFTERWARDS when the NADC main building was shutting down and projects there moved elsewhere. NADC is long GONE now and perhaps the NAS is also (I don't really care). I was NEVER trying for any Navy civilian employment position there just as I NEVER tried to do so at China Lake or Point Mugu or Key West NAS or Patuxent River (MD) Test Range ("Pax River"). You kept saying I was either a "Navy employee" or "tried to get a job there", neither of which was true. Now YOU NAME this "now-PhD who knew me" back 33 1/2 years ago or admit it was all a weird FABRICATION of yours. Your choice. You haven't given detail One on this fabricated individual other than glossed-over generalities and dire implications. Tsk, you've "accused" Frank Gilliland of "making things up" yet that is what YOU have been doing for years in here! oop now |
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On 22 Aug 2005 07:35:29 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: ????????? Gee Steve, first you whine about me snipping your posts then you snip almost my entire reply. Looks like you are a hypocrite, too. Frank Gilliland wrote: Add that to language in your posts that sounds hauntingly like Lennie Anderson and I'd say your accusations of fraud belong in your own lap. And all your ranting has done nothing to resolve the topic of this discussion. If you can think of anything that would make me believe that you were in the USMC then feel free to speak up. Otherwise, it looks like you are just stalling -- making excuses, obfuscating, changing topics -- in hopes that I'll give up and leave. Oh no, don't leave, "Frank"... Where did I say I was going to leave? I didn't. It was just wishful thinking on your behalf. It just makes the LennieRants more colorful. Lesssee...You claim I've given you nothing but vague information, yet you refuse to e mail me directly and get "the details"... All I was looking for was a simple tidbit of info that only a Marine would know, but that seems to be beyond your capabilities. But it doesn't matter anymore...... see my other post. Furthermore, I've given you MORE than enough to verify my duty without giving you my SSAN to do it with. I don't need your SSN, nor did I ask for it. What's your obsession with your SSN? You demonstrate lapses in proper USMC etiquette .......say WHAT? yet try and "dis" my service just because I won't do a LennieRant and give a complete CV of my service here. I don't seem to recall asking for any long-winded rant. Just any bit of information I can use to verify your claim. You were in an AAV unit so of course you know EVERYONE who ever served, including a guy who's service ended 13 years ago. Yep, you're right..... I bypassed boot camp, went straight to AAVs, stayed there until my discharge, and never spoke to anyone outside the unit. Sure thing, Steve. You twist the facts almost as bad as Bush. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 22 Aug 2005 07:27:29 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
. com: Frank Gilliland wrote: (And BTW, the rank of Gy.Sgt. is pretty low for retired enlisted.) I was trying to keep an open mind as to YOUR "status" as a Marine and your experience in matters of the Armed Forces... Until this. Uh-huh..... Gunnery Sergeant (and indeed pay grade E7 throughout the services as a whole) is the MEDIAN retirement rank. Really? I have never heard of -any- Marine retiring as a Staff Sergeant or lower (unless they retired before Korea). I suppose there were a few, but not many. Also, Marines abbreviate "Gunnery Sergeant" as "GySgt"...Not "Gy.Sgt" Marines don't give a **** just as long as what's printed, written or typed is understood. My suspiscions as to you being a LenniePhantom and gleaning your "knowledge from Clancy novels is vindicated. I'm happy for you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 22 Aug 2005 07:51:25 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 21 Aug 2005 16:28:13 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote in .com: snip ....."armor guys"? Uh huh...Neat thing, military aeroclubs. The person sitting next to you might be fresh off the yellow foot prints or wear stars on thier collar. I think you referred to yellow footprints in an earlier post. That's interesting since I didn't even remember they were yellow until I looked in my boot camp 'yearbook'. After that I started remembering all kinds of things about receiving, like the lines on the floor, the overwhelming smell of brasso and dura-glit, and blood on the shower room floor because some of those guys didn't even know how to shave. Very colorful. Thank you. My minor was Communications so I took a few lit classes. My favorite is Pynchon. Clancy, IMO, is the Danielle Steele of action novels -- i.e, his stuff is mental popcorn. If you want to break into fiction that is at least readable (barely) try some early Dean Koontz. snip My I draw your obviously tainted opinon to SSGT selection board of 1983, Precendent number 60A. You may also refer to the Gunnery Sergeant selection board of 1987. To be truthful, I forgot my precedent number on that one but it was high due to the overlap with the previous years promotions. What you can't understand is that we all know the public DOD files only have the name, rank, service, MOS, and sometimes the hometown. That's far from a definitive identification since anyone with the same name can 'steal' that serviceman's identity and make up the rest. Uh huh...Two "Steven J Robeson"...With the exact same DOB...?!?! Right..................... I guess I have to spell it out for you: There's no proof that you are him. In fact, there's a good possibility that you are one of his deadbeat offspring; i.e, little Stevie Junior, the jobless mutant child coddled by mommy and living in the basement. Assuming you really -are- who you claim, you sure are setting a -=BAD=- example of the discipline both required and expected of a retired Marine Gunny of 18 years (which is bull**** in and of itself) by wasting so much time engaging in flame wars on Usenet. I can get away with it because I was a ****bird..... but you? Heck, if I was USMC retired and behaving the way you do I'd go outside and kick my -own- ass out of respect for the Corps. And -THAT'S- what Semper Fidelis means, Steve. Snip And there you go snipping again, right after whining about being snipped. And if you happen to doubt -my- service in the USMC...(SNIP) No...but I doubt your understanding of the motto "Semper Fidelis". Prove you were a Marine and I'll vanish those doubts. I already have. You simply wish to argue. LenniePhantom STOP....hey, what's that sound? I also question your motives in this forum. So far, nothing relevent, other than catching the back of guys who are archived chronic liars. yada, yada, yada. Guess you don't like having it thrown back at you...especially when there's nothing in your defense you can say about it. See below. And I told you if you'd care to e-mail me directly I'd be glad to give it to you off-group. I've explained my reasons for doing so. And I questioned why your military service is so secret. That's why I alluded to "Col. Vinson at Ft. Gordon", which you obviously didn't understand but should have. You can email -me- if you want but don't expect me to keep anything you say quiet if you fail to verify your story. I know who Col Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never served with him/for him/within 100 miles of him. And here is where your lies finally come to an end. If -you- were in avionics in the 80's then you most certainly -DID- 'serve' under "Colonel Vinson"...... who, BTW, is not a real person, and you would have known that if your story was true. VINSON was the crypto system that was used for almost all radio equipment in that era, and EVERY tech -- avionics AND ground -- was trained to do first and second echelon repairs on that equipment. You could have easily replied with "KY-58" (the avionics equivalent of the KY-57), or KYK-13 (key holder used for both). But you didn't even recognize the name VINSON even in context with Ft. Gordon, home of the crypto schools. You had several chances, "Steve"..... you flunked. And BTW, the info above isn't much of a secret since Time magazine put a picture of a KY-57 on the front cover back in '83 -- nice pic of a Beirut Marine next to a jeep with a VRC-12. Again...colorful. Clancyesque. You and fiction seem to get along quite well. That you attempt to diminish my military service simply because I do not wish to discuss it in this forum like Lennie's rantings, or like some drunk at the end of the bar at 3AM only further substantiates MY claim that your motives here have nothing to do with Amateur Radio, have more to do with being argumenative, and are dubious at best. Blah, blah, blah. You've been both outed and spanked. Either fess up or shut up. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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