From: Dee Flint on Aug 23, 3:37 pm

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message

There it is. Proof that "Incentive licensing" has caused hate and
discontent in Ham Radio. I've said it for years. And here it is.

Dan ... at last we agree!!!!!!

:-)

We *MUST* eliminate this "I'm better than you because (pick one of the
following, or any other reason ... "I have a higher class license." or "I
passed an xx wpm Morse test.") - class warfare.

We are ALL hams ... period. Some are more experienced. They SHOULD be
Elmering (and Elmering doesn't mean "browbeating them into your personal
preferences") the newbies and HELPING them to learn (whatever they want
to) about ham radio, rather than "dising" them and treating them like
dirt.

[tsk, if that could only extend beyond...to newsgroups...:-) ]

This stuff has GOT to stop!

Sure does......most of the newcomers are into learning. Most of the
newcomers do want to be Elmered. However......some of the newcomers need
an attitude adjustment. Most of them are here it seems.

[whoops...Dan blew it with the "attitude adjustement" remark...]

You raise a good point, Dan. Elmering is good. Being a willing student is
good. You must have both for it to work. Many new Hams do not want to feel
inferior. I don't know if it is the first generation of "high self esteem"
students hitting adulthood or what. But there are a number of newbies out
there that bristle when offered advice. And I do know how to offer advice
in a kindly manner.

[Carl, some folks in here will disagree with you...not in a kindly
manner...:-) ]

I think this "protect their self esteem at all costs" approach was badly
mishandled.

Hello? Is Dee talking about the Public School System now?

Where is amateur radio taught in public schools?

While one should never put down a person, they do need guidance
and it has to be pointed out that mistakes are mistakes.

It MUST be the public school system. Sure as "heck" that doesn't
apply in HERE. :-)

Because these
students were protected from their mistakes and told it was OK, in the end,
I believe that they end up with lower self-esteem.

Sounds like what happened to all them olde-tyme hammes trying to
perpetuate the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society) & morsemanship.

They do often realize
that they've made a mistake but the fact that no one points it out or helps
them correct it transfroms in their minds into the concept that they are so
lowly that they aren't worth helping.

Yup, that's what all them olde-tyme hamme morsemen are doing
with all the NCTA (lowly beyond belief, not having the "proper
attitude" and worshiping these mighty masters of radio).

This is a bigger hit on their self esteem than anything I can think of.

Except in some females' cases where their remarks are, well, it
can't be said in here... :-)

OKAY, all you ESTEEMED ELMERS...GET OUT THERE and Win One for Hiram!

ADJUST THOSE ATTITUDES! STAND AT ATTENTION WHEN AN ELMER TALKS
TO YOU!

Farf...snort... :-)

elm oak