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September 6th 05, 11:07 PM
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Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: John Smith wrote: K0HB: Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most of the authors strike me as being rather weak in math and especially in the area of probability and statistics--quite possibly lotus-blossom-eaters. For some it is easier to attack the thinker than to disprove the idea.... It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is" The hard part is defining what is meant by "God"... Not for those who want the easy answer. There are plenty enough people who are just slap happy to tell us that! Mike, are you an atheist? Or are you just playing at one because President Bush is a Christian? You tell me, Brian! I think Jesus was one cool dude, and has a lot to tell us about how to live One cool dude? Why yes, one cool dude. Seems like an irreverent thing to say, eh? I wonder what Jesus' opinion of me calling him a cool dude would be? I wonder? That being said, I think that many people who are proclaiming themselves as "Christians" these days are not. The so-called conservative Christians who loudly proclaim their ascendancy these days don't really seem to have much to do with Jesus at all. The closest thing that they are is a modern day version of the Pharisees. Their trends are much more old testament - therefore not sharing in the new covenant proclaimed by Jesus. They push public prayer, also proscribed against by Jesus, They push religious domination of government - same deal. While demanding that the first books of *their* bible (KJV) be taken as absolutely literal, despite two different versions of creation, they totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount, in which Jesus delivers direct orders in as plain language as you will find in the bible. What's up with that? What is up with that is the modern fundamentalist Christians are falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book - the false prophets. That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that the world was *not* created in seven days starting on Sunday, the 23rd of October in 4004 BC as determined by Ussher - and put in print in one of my bibles at home. There is no doubt in my mind that the present day universe *was* created billions of years ago, probably in an event we call "the Big Bang. I highly doubt that it was created by a supreme being. For what happened before then, it becomes quite complex, and I enjoy speculation on that. - Mike KB3EIA - There! I knew you had a lot more to say than mere nide remarks about God. I hope you feel better. If you look deeply enough, the snide remarks are not really about God. They are about the people who would form God in their own image. Problem is, that is an awful lot of people. Most, in fact. - Mike KB3EIA - Their faith says that they are made in God's image. And as you make fun of them, you make redicule their faith. Aren't you supposed to be an educated man? |
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September 7th 05, 03:03 AM
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September 7th 05, 03:30 PM
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September 8th 05, 11:55 AM
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Michael Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I ridicule many things. Bravo! You do too! I don't make fun of other people's religious faith. So where do we stop, Brian? Has it started? Oh absolutely. Is it when they call for the government to assassinate the leader of a country that they don't like? Is that when they called to assassinate Bush Sr's life? No it wasn't. It was when Pat Robertson called for the US to assassinate Chavez. I'm not talking about politicos, I'm talking about religious leaders. Chavez should file charges. Let due process work. BTW, that due process was set up by evil religious people. Clinton sent a couple of missiles into an emply office building to show that you can't just go around threatening the President. Is it when they call for holy war? Yeh, I think we should draw the line at Jihad. There ya go! Bravo! I was wondering if you were racist and only hated WASP's that call for Jihad. Is it when they launch inquisitions? Saddam confessed to crimes. Not Saddam. But religious leaders have often had purges, inquisitions, and the like. Those damned religious people. I wonder if non-religious people have ever committed atrocities. Kill people in the name of an Exorcism? Is it when a Catholic priest is expelled from the UAR after serving a jail sentence for the crime of evangelizing without a permit? Is it when the preacher stands in the pulpit and declares that if you vote for a certain political party, you have to leave the church? And in my own case, where the local fundies put such a stranglehold on the school system that not only is evolution not taught at all, but that no teaching about any dinosaurs or any animal that didn't live in modern time was taught or discussed. Abuses in publice education? Couldn't be. Yup. In the name of religion. Which religion? Public education is the grand indoctrination that our children receive from the left. Yeah, I keep hearing that. My experience has been otherwise. The far right controlled education and what we learned in my little burg. Keep blaming everything on liberals. It's almost as easy as religion. ....as blaming on religion? You tell me. My "sex ed" class consisted of one session of naming of various STDs, and that was it. That is it. less than an hour. I've seen the other side, and it isn't pretty. What did your parent's tell you? Nutthin. OIC. You blame religion for not teaching you things that your parents are responsible for teaching you, but when your parents fall down on the job, it's still the religious people who are blamed. You're double standard is multi-faceted. I got my education at the public library, reading the books that the far right wanted the library to get rid of. It was nice of them to give out the titles though. Gay stuff? Recently, one upstanding citizen removed all of the "alternative lifestyle" free newspapers from the lobby of a public library. Said he didn't want his children to have to walk past it. There is one problem with religious tolerance, and that is that many religions have no concept of tolerance themselves. Fine. It's called seperation of Church and State. We have that and more. As rights are denied to Christians, the pendulum begins to swing the other way. Problem is that what some Christians consider their right, is to deprive others of their rights. Odd. I just reread the Bill of Rights, and I see no right to sex education. For that matter, I see no right to education at all. As such, it is a parental obligation to educate you or to pay to have you educated. I've been in a religion controlled community. I know how they act when they are allowed to. Get out. Lock up people who make threats against other people and quit whining to me about it. I have no idea what you mean here Robertson vs Chavez. Aren't you supposed to be an educated man? Supposed to be. Didn't find out about a lot of things that I should have known until after I graduated High School. - Mike KB3EIA - You weren't supposed to learn everything in high school. That's why we have colleges. Know anyone who's living depends on other people thinking there's more to learn? So it's okay to have forbidden knowledge? Some issues may not be appropriate to teach in public school. For example, I draw the line at "intro to Jihad," "intro to bomb making," and "intro to the combustible properties of effigies of the President of the USA." Meanwhile, I trust that your personal oddysey into human sexual intercourse education was a success? Dinosaurs are dangerous? What threat does a dinosaur have to religion? Don't know - never seen one. Never seen God, for what that's worth. Life is a life-long learning experience. Learn something today. Always do! - Mike KB3EIA - Hey, Joslyn Elders advocated teaching masturbation to school children. You should look her up. You guys might make a dynamic duo on the sex ed scene. |
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September 9th 05, 01:22 AM
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September 9th 05, 02:40 AM
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Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I ridicule many things. Bravo! You do too! I don't make fun of other people's religious faith. So what? Is a persons faith a sacred cow? Should Mormons (the men of course) be allowed to marry as many women as they want? As many as they want? maybe not, as many as they can convince to marry sure, why not? why should polygamy be banned? why for that matter shoudl polyandry be banned? Are religious radicals sacred? Okay, let me make fun of atheists..... Q. What is the worst part about being an atheist? A. No one to talk to during Orgasm..... So where do we stop, Brian? Has it started? Oh absolutely. Is it when they call for the government to assassinate the leader of a country that they don't like? Is that when they called to assassinate Bush Sr's life? No it wasn't. It was when Pat Robertson called for the US to assassinate Chavez. I'm not talking about politicos, I'm talking about religious leaders. Chavez should file charges. Let due process work. BTW, that due process was set up by evil religious people. Ummm, where? Not sure wher Pat is a resident, but in the state where Pat lives is a good place to start Clinton sent a couple of missiles into an emply office building to show that you can't just go around threatening the President. Is it when they call for holy war? Yeh, I think we should draw the line at Jihad. There ya go! Bravo! I was wondering if you were racist and only hated WASP's that call for Jihad. Where do you get this stuff Brian? I don't like any religion that tries to impress it's beliefs on others, that engages in killing in the name of God, and in general allows people of "faith" to use that faith to cause harm. indeed then you are much a fan of Cristain beliefs then I take it cut |
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September 10th 05, 01:27 AM
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