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Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think Jesus was one cool dude, and has a lot to tell us about how to live. Yup - and how *not* to live. That being said, I think that many people who are proclaiming themselves as "Christians" these days are not. The so-called conservative Christians who loudly proclaim their ascendancy these days don't really seem to have much to do with Jesus at all. Nothing new about that. Constantine, Cyril, the Crusades, and of course the Spanish Inquisition. "If Jesus came back, and saw what's going on in His name, He'd never stop throwing up." --Frederick, in Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters" The closest thing that they are is a modern day version of the Pharisees. Their trends are much more old testament - therefore not sharing in the new covenant proclaimed by Jesus. They push public prayer, also proscribed against by Jesus, they push religious domination of government - same deal. They've had plenty of company in the past 2000 years... While demanding that the first books of *their* bible Except it's not really "theirs" - particularly the first five books... (KJV) be taken as absolutely literal, despite two different versions of creation, they totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount, in which Jesus delivers direct orders in as plain language as you will find in the bible. What's up with that? It's a mystery, Mike. You just have to take it on faith. I find it interesting that the dietary and other laws of the "old" testament are ignored when inconvenient - just like the inconvenient teachings of Jesus. Fun fact: Which states do you think have the highest and lowest divorce rates - "conservative" red states or "liberal" blue states? "what God has joined together, let no man put asunder"... Some of these good folks have figured out that they can receive forgiveness for any of their sins, so they feel a lot better now about sinning! What is up with that is the modern fundamentalist Christians are falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book - the false prophets. That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that the world was *not* created in seven days starting on Sunday, the 23rd of October in 4004 BC as determined by Ussher - and put in print in one of my bibles at home. Actually, Genesis says it took six days - because the Creator rested on the seventh day. Rush job, too. Left a lot of holes.... void, without form There is no doubt in my mind that the present day universe *was* created billions of years ago, probably in an event we call "the Big Bang. There should always be doubt, Mike. The Big Bang cosmology is simply the best explanation we have now that fits all the scientific data. New data might require a new cosmology. That's one big difference between real and fake science. Real science is always open to new data and new explanations. Whereas the "science" practiced by these fake practitioners is in looking for evidence that supports their proposition-and only their proposition. Which isn't science at all. When it gets fun is when they try to explain the biblical flood as a verbatim event. The have yet to answer two simple questions. Where did the water come from? Where did the water go? I haven't found one yet that can answer the question, How much water would it take to cover the earth from sea level to 1 foot over the top of Mount Everest? And What effects would this extra mass have on the Earth? Well, if you melted the polar ice caps, the oceans would rise some, but not nearly enough. Precipitate out all the atmospheric water and the oceans would rise some more. But to flood the entire earth requires much more water than that. The flood story may have its origin in reality. I don't doubt that a bit. There is some evidence that the Black Sea was once a fresh water lake - and a lot smaller than it is today. This would require that the strait near Constantinople/Istanbul was an isthmus back then. The evidence says that when the oceans rose at the end of the last ice age, water from the Mediterranean rose to the point where it overflowed the isthmus and flowed into what is now the Black Sea - raising its level and flooding any low=ying lakeside communities. Which have been well below sea level ever since. (sound familiar) Such a catastrophe would have been remembered a long time. Yup. I am certain that some event in the past left a big impression on our ancestors From their point of view, the entire earth was covered with water. I'd bet that some survivalist by the name of Noah put his family on a boat, and may have brought along some livestock. They rode the flood out, and built a new homestead when it was over. The big question is how did that person know to do it? The oral traditions of the time probably enhanced the story with each retelling. Then it gets written down, accepted as a good story over the ages. Yep. Now along comes fundamentalism, telling us we have to accept the entire thing literal and verbatim. While ignoring the important lessons of the story! I highly doubt that it was created by a supreme being. Why? Couldn't the Supreme Being have set it all in motion, and the Bang was just the method? Why is not my concern, Jim. A supreme being may have created everything yesterday, including all of our memories to the contrary. Like I quoted about the supernatural explaining nothing... Keerect. But I doubt it. Seems a incredibly roundabout way of doing things. So what? To us humans, 100 years is a long lifetime. To geology or evolution it's a blink of time. 4.5 billion years to have people start thinking of "him" around 4000 years ago. Not to mention all the times they got it wrong before this one came along.... So what? Nothing wronge with people believing whatever religion they want, without proof, as long as they don't call it "science" or try to force it on others. For what happened before then, it becomes quite complex, and I enjoy speculation on that. You can explain anything by using the 'supernatural'. Which means the 'supernatural' explains nothing. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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