From: Dee Flint on Sep 6, 7:36 pm


"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
wrote:

Tornado "hot zones" just happen to coincide with some of the best
farmland in this country.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. FACTUAL ERROR!

The San Joaquin Valley of California is NOT in "tornado alley"
of the midwest. :-)

She said "some", not "all" of the best farmland lennieboy, do try to keep
up.

He does that all the time.

INCORRECT. FACTUAL ERROR multiplied.

Dee, you have me on your "killfile" so therefore you cannot see
what I wrote. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

And he overlooks that the San Joaquin Valley was
not particularly good until it was irrigated and fertilized.

Incorrect again. Refer to the "oakies'" plight when they moved
to California to get away from the midwest droughts. Irrigation
was added LATER to increase the bountiful harvests. It is HUGE.
Takes at least 8 hours of continuous driving on I-5 from north to
south to go the length of just the San Joaquin Valley. California
is the biggest cotton grower of all the states and has been for
decades.

However with those changes it is quite fertile.

MORE fertile. The San Joaquin Valley can feed ALL the western,
mountain states with enough left over for those in the midwest.

Personally, I like the land of the tall corn (Iowa).

Personally, I don't think you know Agribusiness from a DeKalb
Hybrid Seed poked in the ground.

I spent my first 19 years in Illinois and got to know all of
its bordering states. IN THE BEGINNING, Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska
were all PRARIE and grew little else but prarie vegetation.
Missouri isn't much better off although they have more
waterways. Without continuous fertilization, crop rotation, and
wind-shelter trees ADDED later, the midwest would have reverted
to just prarie again.

Iowa restaurants are excellent midwest-style eating places and
most will serve free seconds on entrees. Do you wish to know
more about the Amana Colonies? Cedar Rapids? [home of Collins
Radio] It's a fine place to visit and shop (as my wife and I
expect to do soon, again) but we wouldn't want to live there.

Just punch a seed in the ground and step back quick before it
hits you in the eye (grin)!

Yes, yes, ha, ha, clap, clap...good one...but ancient.

Try OKLAHOMA for that...easterners still think that Oklahoma is
the heart of the cornbelt. Oklahoma chiefly grows truck drivers
and oil derricks.

Tell us about the terrible tornados we have in California. We'd
like to know as we are the most populous and prosperous state in
the union.

Tell us also why you are responding to an anony-mousie whose handle
is that of a DEFUNCT TV hero of the 1950s?

Mike Coslo wrote:

When it gets fun is when they try to explain the
biblical flood as a verbatim event. The have yet to answer
two simple questions.

Where did the water come from?
Where did the water go?

I haven't found one yet that can answer the question, How much water
would it take to cover the earth from sea level to 1 foot over the top
of Mount Everest? And What effects would this extra mass have on the Earth?

Very doubtful that the flood of Noah's time covered the entire earth. At
that time, the world to them was the Mesopotamia area, they new nothing
of the world outside that. Archaeologists in attempting to verify the
flood, found a layer of silt beneath the city of Ur at a depth that
would concide with about the time of Noah. However, as they moved to the
outer edges of the Mesopotamia area the layer of silt became shallower
and finally dissappears, indicating that the flood did not cover the
"entire earth". There are many ancient stories of great floods from
areas all around the world.

wrote:
From: Dee Flint on Sep 6, 7:36 pm

Dee, you have me on your "killfile" so therefore you cannot see
what I wrote. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


And he overlooks that the San Joaquin Valley was
not particularly good until it was irrigated and fertilized.


Incorrect again. Refer to the "oakies'" plight when they moved
to California to get away from the midwest droughts.

There's another of your factual errors, Leonard. The term is "Okies",
not "Oakies". I suppose the Oakies were guys who cut all the hardwood
timber in Oklahoma. :-) :-)

Dave K8MN

wrote:


Try OKLAHOMA for that...easterners still think that Oklahoma is
the heart of the cornbelt. Oklahoma chiefly grows truck drivers
and oil derricks.

INCORRECT. FACTUAL ERROR:

Oklahoma is 2nd in the nation in production of winter wheat, 1st in the
production of rye and produced over 6 million pounds of pecans in 2003,
is 5th in cattle production and 8th in hog production. Oklahoma beef
cattle, hog, and sheep produce over 3 billion lbs of meat a year and
poultry produce over 900 million eggs a year.

Do try to keep up lennieboy.

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

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Mike Coslo wrote:


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Mike Coslo wrote:


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Michael Coslo wrote:


John Smith wrote:


K0HB:

Yes, I have read a couple of books on the subject--most
of the authors
strike me as being rather weak in math and especially
in the area of
probability and statistics--quite possibly
lotus-blossom-eaters.

For some it is easier to attack the thinker than
to disprove the idea....



It certainly is a lot easier to say "God makes it so, so it is"

The hard part is defining what is meant by "God"...

Not for those who want the easy answer. There are plenty enough people
who are just slap happy to tell us that!

Mike, are you an atheist? Or are you just playing at one because
President Bush is a Christian?

You tell me, Brian! I think Jesus was one cool dude, and has a lot to
tell us about how to live


One cool dude?

Why yes, one cool dude. Seems like an irreverent thing to say, eh? I
wonder what Jesus' opinion of me calling him a cool dude would be?


I wonder?


That being said, I think that many people who are proclaiming
themselves as "Christians" these days are not. The so-called
conservative Christians who loudly proclaim their ascendancy these days
don't really seem to have much to do with Jesus at all. The closest
thing that they are is a modern day version of the Pharisees. Their
trends are much more old testament - therefore not sharing in the new
covenant proclaimed by Jesus. They push public prayer, also proscribed
against by Jesus, They push religious domination of government - same deal.

While demanding that the first books of *their* bible (KJV) be taken as
absolutely literal, despite two different versions of creation, they
totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount, in which Jesus delivers direct
orders in as plain language as you will find in the bible. What's up
with that?

What is up with that is the modern fundamentalist Christians are
falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book - the false prophets.

That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that the world was *not*
created in seven days starting on Sunday, the 23rd of October in 4004 BC
as determined by Ussher - and put in print in one of my bibles at home.

There is no doubt in my mind that the present day universe *was*
created billions of years ago, probably in an event we call "the Big
Bang. I highly doubt that it was created by a supreme being. For what
happened before then, it becomes quite complex, and I enjoy speculation
on that.

- Mike KB3EIA -


There! I knew you had a lot more to say than mere nide remarks about
God. I hope you feel better.

If you look deeply enough, the snide remarks are not really about God.
They are about the people who would form God in their own image.

Problem is, that is an awful lot of people. Most, in fact.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Their faith says that they are made in God's image. And as you make
fun of them, you make redicule their faith.

I ridicule many things.

Bravo!

So where do we stop, Brian?

Has it started?

Is it when they call for the government to
assassinate the leader of a country that they don't like?

Is that when they called to assassinate Bush Sr's life? Clinton sent a
couple of missiles into an emply office building to show that you can't
just go around threatening the President.

Is it when
they call for holy war?

Yeh, I think we should draw the line at Jihad.

Is it when they launch inquisitions?

Saddam confessed to crimes.

Kill people
in the name of an Exorcism? Is it when a Catholic priest is expelled
from the UAR after serving a jail sentence for the crime of evangelizing
without a permit? Is it when the preacher stands in the pulpit and
declares that if you vote for a certain political party, you have to
leave the church? And in my own case, where the local fundies put such a
stranglehold on the school system that not only is evolution not taught
at all, but that no teaching about any dinosaurs or any animal that
didn't live in modern time was taught or discussed.

Abuses in publice education? Couldn't be.

Public education is the grand indoctrination that our children receive
from the left.

My "sex ed" class
consisted of one session of naming of various STDs, and that was it.
That is it. less than an hour. I've seen the other side, and it isn't
pretty.

What did your parent's tell you?

There is one problem with religious tolerance, and that is that many
religions have no concept of tolerance themselves.

Fine. It's called seperation of Church and State. We have that and
more. As rights are denied to Christians, the pendulum begins to swing
the other way.

Lock up people who make threats against other people and quit whining
to me about it.

Aren't you supposed to be an educated man?

Supposed to be. Didn't find out about a lot of things that I should
have known until after I graduated High School.

- Mike KB3EIA -

You weren't supposed to learn everything in high school. That's why we
have colleges. Know anyone who's living depends on other people
thinking there's more to learn?

Life is a life-long learning experience. Learn something today.

wrote:


Mike Coslo wrote:

I ridicule many things.


Bravo!

You do too!


So where do we stop, Brian?


Has it started?

Oh absolutely.


Is it when they call for the government to
assassinate the leader of a country that they don't like?


Is that when they called to assassinate Bush Sr's life?

No it wasn't. It was when Pat Robertson called for the US to assassinate
Chavez. I'm not talking about politicos, I'm talking about religious
leaders.


Clinton sent a
couple of missiles into an emply office building to show that you can't
just go around threatening the President.


Is it when

they call for holy war?


Yeh, I think we should draw the line at Jihad.


There ya go!


Is it when they launch inquisitions?


Saddam confessed to crimes.

Not Saddam. But religious leaders have often had purges, inquisitions,
and the like.


Kill people

in the name of an Exorcism? Is it when a Catholic priest is expelled
from the UAR after serving a jail sentence for the crime of evangelizing
without a permit? Is it when the preacher stands in the pulpit and
declares that if you vote for a certain political party, you have to
leave the church? And in my own case, where the local fundies put such a
stranglehold on the school system that not only is evolution not taught
at all, but that no teaching about any dinosaurs or any animal that
didn't live in modern time was taught or discussed.


Abuses in publice education? Couldn't be.

Yup. In the name of religion.


Public education is the grand indoctrination that our children receive
from the left.

Yeah, I keep hearing that. My experience has been otherwise. The far
right controlled education and what we learned in my little burg.

Keep blaming everything on liberals. It's almost as easy as religion.



My "sex ed" class
consisted of one session of naming of various STDs, and that was it.
That is it. less than an hour. I've seen the other side, and it isn't
pretty.


What did your parent's tell you?

Nutthin. I got my education at the public library, reading the books
that the far right wanted the library to get rid of. It was nice of them
to give out the titles though.


There is one problem with religious tolerance, and that is that many
religions have no concept of tolerance themselves.


Fine. It's called seperation of Church and State. We have that and
more. As rights are denied to Christians, the pendulum begins to swing
the other way.


Problem is that what some Christians consider their right, is to deprive
others of their rights.

I've been in a religion controlled community. I know how they act when
they are allowed to.

Lock up people who make threats against other people and quit whining
to me about it.

I have no idea what you mean here


Aren't you supposed to be an educated man?

Supposed to be. Didn't find out about a lot of things that I should
have known until after I graduated High School.

- Mike KB3EIA -


You weren't supposed to learn everything in high school. That's why we
have colleges. Know anyone who's living depends on other people
thinking there's more to learn?

So it's okay to have forbidden knowledge? Dinosaurs are dangerous? What
threat does a dinosaur have to religion?

Life is a life-long learning experience. Learn something today.

Always do!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Anonymous wrote:
In article . com
"an Old friend" wrote:


Dave Heil wrote:
an Old friend wrote:
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I noticed that you made no comments about "Colonel" Mark Morgan's recent
outrageous lies about me. Why is that? Did you see the quoted Google
material which revealed his claims to be a lie? Aren't you, by your own
standards, responsible for his posts?


because I wasn't lying at worst I was eeing things differently than you

You posted baldfaced lies and when you were presented with facts, you
chose to ignore them. In fact, you continued with additional lies. If
you'd stoop to these lies, there's likely nothing about which you'd not lie.

what bald faced lies?

Anybody who disagrees with Dave Vile is a liar, didn't you know that? guffaw!

of course I know that. I was just asking for the catalog of lies seeing
if I had forgotten any


One thing you and Stvie need to learn is that disagreeing with isn't
lying
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There was no disagreement. There was only your posting of deliberate,
malicious untruths. You wrote that I was posting in a usenet
"personals" group. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a
woman. I wasn't. You wrote that I was flirting with a bisexual woman.
I wasn't. You wouldn't know the truth if it whapped you in the face.

you were posting in group consiting of nothing but presonal adds and
sexual flirtations

you were posting stuff of a flirting nature, directed toward a bisexual
female

Guess he was bored with the one he married.

or perhaps more likely the other way around


-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.

wrote:
From: on Sun 4 Sep 2005 07:48


wrote:

Actually the logic is quite different. It comes down to
asking why Len is so interested in amateur radio policy
even though Len is not a ham and has never been one. There
has been a nocodetest amateur radio license in the USA since
1991, yet Len never got one. The maximum code test required
for any US amateur radio license has been 5 wpm since 1990 (with
medical waiver) and since 2000 without a waiver.


[Jimmie NEVER got a no-code-test Technician license...]

Then you and Jim have something in common. :-) :-)

Nor is Len a manufacturer of amateur radio equipment, nor does
he have anything to do with FCC.


[Jimmie is a "manufacturer of amateur radio equipment"...makes
one of a kind equipment...state-of-the-art style using vacuum
tubes in the 1990s]


More than 5-1/2 years ago, Len told us he was going for Extra,
but didn't say when, and it hasn't happened yet.


[tsk, tsk, make a statement long ago and the Profiler HOLDS ONTO
that as a "lifelong goal"...as he was taught in Seminary...]

You boasted of what you were going to do and you didn't follow through.
It has now been years since your boast. You've done nothing about
obtaining *any* amateur radio license, much less the Extra.

So in the end, when Jim Miccolis/N2EY, David Heil/K8MN, Brian
Kelly/W3RV, and Steven J. Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP point out that Len is not
an amateur, for what purpose do you do so? What do you hope to gain

from pointing out that Len isn't an amateur?

Jimmie has a need to WIN MESSAGE POINTS. :-)

Are those MESSAGES POINTS anything like those MESSAGE KNUCKLES you wrote
about some time back? From your sheer number of posts, you'd be likely
to achieve some sort of MESSAGE POINT award. If you were to get credit
for the number of words you've posted, you might even get a MESSAGE
POINT plaque.

Jimmie wants to be TOP DAWG in here! :-)

There's been no indication of that whatever. I wonder what prompted you
to write such an inaccurate statement.


Hi, hi! You reply directly to my comment, then you act as if you are
speaking to Dave. Then you ask why anyone should reply to Len's posts
at all. More hi, hi's!

Jim, when you're ready to have a rational discussion with me, I'll be
here.


Brian, don't expect a "rational discussion" with Jimmie. Repeated
asking will get you PROFILED! :-)

I don't think your advice is very accurate, Leonard. Repeated behavior
of the type you've demonstrated here could result in your having a
profile written.

Dave K8MN

wrote:
From: on Sun 4 Sep 2005 06:09



Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

From: on Aug 28, 8:18 am


You know, the one which
brought about the creation of Jim's apropos profile of your
likely actions:

N2EY: "Besides, here's a simple, plain fact:

No matter what job, educational level, employer, or
government/military service that a radio amateur has, if
said radio
amateur opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be
the target of Mr.
Anderson's insults, ridicule, name-calling, factual
errors, ethnic
slurs, excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior."


Actually there's an updated version:

No matter what employment, education, experience or
government/military service a person has, if that
person opposes Mr. Anderson's views, he/she will be
the target of Mr. Anderson's insults, ridicule,
name-calling, factual errors, ethnic/gender/racial slurs,
excessive emoticons and general infantile behavior.


Translation: JIMMIE DOES NOT TOLERATE DISSENT!!! :-)

Your translation leaves much to be desired. Jim tolerates dissent just
fine. What he has done is create what, to this point, is a very
accurate description of your likely behavior toward those who dare
disagree with your views.

Wow...talk about "telling someone to 'shut up!'" :-)

You can talk about it, but Jim's profile of your likely behavior doesn't
tell you to shut up. You have, of course, told others to shut up or to
go away.

I've found it to be a very accurate predictor of Len's
behavior on rrap. Len of course has parodied/plaigirized
and in doing so simply provide more proof of its validity.


Translation: JIMMIE IS *ALWAYS RIGHT*!!! :-)

I can't recall a post where Jim claims that he is always right. You're
still using the diminuitive form of his name, thereby fulfilling the
profile's prediction of your behavior. You can't seem to avoid
fulfilling the profile.

Note that the profile does not call Len names or
other direct insults. It simply predicts his behavior when
faced with opposition to his views.


Yes, how DARE I speak against the Mighty Miccolis? :-)

See? You're still unable to avoid fulfilling the predictions set out in
the profile.

Perhaps Len considers such opposition to be the
ultimate insult to him.


Poor baby. Really hurting when you can't stomach the
give-and-take in here? :-)

You can't help yourself, can you?

What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to

prevent Len from making those comments.

Nor would I. What I have done is to point out errors
in Len's reasoning and claims. And I backed it up
with google quotes and other info.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie CANNOT "shut me up" so he tries
the next best thing: Disingenuous insults in the form
of the Profiler's "Prediction" wherein all who disagree
(all those who DARE disagree that is) are uncivilly
chastised in a "formal" manner.

Jim's profile isn't about "all those". It is about you.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie can't even reply directly to me.
No guts, I suppose. shrug

Shrug all you like. Fill a screen with "Poor baby", "Tsk, tsk, tsk",
"Jimmie", capital letters and shrugs. You just continue to fulfill the
profile of your predicted actions toward those who don't agree with you.

For example, some time back Len posted that all hams could
continue to operate legally with licenses that were in the grace
period. I showed that to be in error, by simply quoting the
appropriate sections of Part 97. Len's behavior in response to
that was typical of the profile.


Right now, there's not a damn thing Jimmie can do about
it...

There's plenty that people "can do about it". No one chooses to.
Not worth the time or effort.


So...why all the "time and effort" to do this INDIRECT REPLY?

:-)


Slow down and regroup, Len. Jim has done nothing to prevent
you from
commenting to this newsgroup or to your government. Your rant is vapor.

Dave, consider that perhaps Len considers *any* opposition to
his views as an attempt to silence him.


Poor baby. Still can't take the give-and-take in a newsgroup,
can you?

You can "poor baby" but you didn't address Jim's comment.

The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Free speech includes the right to discredit other's comments and
opinions if those comments and opinions are not based on facts and
sound logical reasoning. Some of Len's comments and opinions are not
based on facts and sound logical reasoning.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Free speech" does not mean that opposition to
the Words of the ARRL shall be silenced.

When have you been silenced? What have you to do with the ARRL or with
amateur radio?

Jimmie speaks as a
parrot of the Words of the ARRL.

That certainly looks like another of your factual errors.

Jimmie wants to re-argue and re-argue and re-argue OLD arguments
that appeared in here, perhaps hoping to "win" one that he lost
long ago? Yes, that is "free speech" but it does NOTHING.

You've carped on many of the same issues for nearly a decade. You've
argued and re-argued those issues. Are you hoping to win one?

In the end, if they cannot
lay waste to Len's comments with rational argument(s),
they claim that
his opinions are simply no good because Len isn't a ham.

Actually the logic is quite different. It comes down to
asking why Len is so interested in amateur radio policy
even though Len is not a ham and has never been one. There
has been a nocodetest amateur radio license in the USA since
1991, yet Len never got one. The maximum code test required
for any US amateur radio license has been 5 wpm since 1990 (with
medical waiver) and since 2000 without a waiver.


Oh, my, Mighty Miccolis the Moral Minder, meandering the
morass of MOTIVES! :-)

That certainly looks like it fulfills several of the profile's predictions.

Okay, everyone fill out the Motive form in triplicate so
that Mighty Mindcontrol Miccolis can JUDGE all for "rightness"
in saying anything in here!

There are a few items which fit the profile.

Nor is Len a manufacturer of amateur radio equipment, nor does
he have anything to do with FCC.


Jimmie no work at FCC. Jimmie no work in electronics.
Jimmie NOT "manufacturer of amateur radio equipment." Jimmie
make state-of-the-art radio transmitter using vacuum tubes
at cost of $100 in 1990s, show picture on home page. Must be
single prototype of "new product". All cheer, applaud.

....more profile fulfillment. The fact is, you don't know what Jim does
for a living. You know that he is a EE. No, he doesn't work at the
FCC, but he is involved in amateur radio. You aren't involved as a
participant or a regulator.

More than 5-1/2 years ago, Len told us he was going for Extra,
but didn't say when, and it hasn't happened yet.


Keeps you guessing, donut? :-)

I've never guessed about that issue at all, Leonard. I was quite
certain that you'd never be a licensed radio amateur.

Jimmie hasn't told us of his expertise in "parenting" either.
Jimmie hasn't presented his degrees in pediatrics whereby he
be Expert on raising chilluns. How can you conceive expertise?

Jimmie get laid yet?

....just more profile fulfillment.

And regardless of how someone replies to Len's posts here, Len will
reply according to the profile.


The "Profiler" show on TV got cancelled, Jimmie. Consider you
self going same way... :-)

....and additional profile fulfillment.

It's just his way.


"It ain't braggin' if ya done it."

You'd be awfully foolish to write "I fulfill N2EY's profile of my likely
behavior", but I think you've just done something similar. So be it.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sun 4 Sep 2005 06:09
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Translation: JIMMIE DOES NOT TOLERATE DISSENT!!! :-)

Your translation leaves much to be desired. Jim tolerates dissent just
fine. What he has done is create what, to this point, is a very
accurate description of your likely behavior toward those who dare
disagree with your views.

All is relitive. Jim does tolerate dissent much better than Dave or Dan
or esp Stevie

But Dave you over look that I disagree at time with Len, no flames in
return.
cut


What Jim hasn't done is to prevent or attempt to

prevent Len from making those comments.

Nor would I. What I have done is to point out errors
in Len's reasoning and claims. And I backed it up
with google quotes and other info.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Jimmie CANNOT "shut me up" so he tries
the next best thing: Disingenuous insults in the form
of the Profiler's "Prediction" wherein all who disagree
(all those who DARE disagree that is) are uncivilly
chastised in a "formal" manner.

Jim's profile isn't about "all those". It is about you.

nope that is Jim SoP seend often enough around her
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The PCTA, including Jim Miccolis/N2EY, immediately set upon
discrediting Len's comments and opinions.

Free speech includes the right to discredit other's comments and
opinions if those comments and opinions are not based on facts and
sound logical reasoning. Some of Len's comments and opinions are not
based on facts and sound logical reasoning.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Free speech" does not mean that opposition to
the Words of the ARRL shall be silenced.

When have you been silenced? What have you to do with the ARRL or with
amateur radio?

silenced no but attemps have been made to selience Len as well as
myself


that they are prettty feble and so silly as to make one wonder about
the sanity of the efort is another matter


but here again you try febly of course to silence or at drown him in
**** if you prefer

He has nothing to do with ARRL, indeed he is proud of that fact. I wish
I felt it entirely practical to join him there. Why does he need to
have anything to do the ARRL?


similar text for the ARS stab

Jimmie wants to re-argue and re-argue and re-argue OLD arguments
that appeared in here, perhaps hoping to "win" one that he lost
long ago? Yes, that is "free speech" but it does NOTHING.

You've carped on many of the same issues for nearly a decade. You've
argued and re-argued those issues. Are you hoping to win one?

I think he has or more properly been on the winning side in one of the
Biggest one. Or are still thinking Code testing is going to survivie
this rounf at the FCC?
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