Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

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Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)


Of course not Len. Not everything survives; the portable and mobile stuff
will survive far better than the cellphone towers, police towers and even
amateur towers. The smaller towers (usually amateur), however, do have the
one advantage of a much smaller windload to carry.

The biggest difference might just lie in understanding how things work. A
friend of mine with a construction company told me what happened to another
construction firm owner. He had his guys working close to Lake Ontario at
the bottom of a hill. It ended up they would have to work very late to get
the job finished so he told his men to go ahead and use his cellphone to
call their wives and let them know they would be running late (this was some
years ago). Amateur radio would have run into the same problem except that
when you use amateur radio and can only connect to an Ontario repeater (in
Canada), you know it by the Morse id sent by the repeater and there is, of
course, no charge to connect to Canada.

The guy received a long distance phone bill the next month for nearly
$1,000.00!!! Cellphones simply connect to whatever they can. As far as the
telephone company was concerned, he was in Canada calling long-distance to
the U.S. It is up to the user to learn )

I've been involved in exactly two emergency situations. One was on ssb with
Hans K0HB and the other was on 500 KHz. Yes, the cw is old, but the
situation involving Hans can happen at any time. Amazingly, that huge coast
guard tower did *not* survive the typhoon. An hf amateur rig could load a
chain link fence and provide reliable communications.

So, do tell us your experiences with emergency communications and why you
know that amateur radio will always (or never) float.


With all due regards,
Jim AA2QA

From: Jim Hampton on Aug 31, 5:08 pm

wrote in message


Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

Of course not Len. Not everything survives; the portable and mobile stuff
will survive far better than the cellphone towers, police towers and even
amateur towers. The smaller towers (usually amateur), however, do have the
one advantage of a much smaller windload to carry.

Really? :-)

Maybe you're right. Amateur radio towers are kept up by FAITH.
Busy gal that Faith...

Hmmm...looking at the terrible scenes in Louisiana and
Mississippi, I couldn't help but notice a few police officers
about (in New Orleans) with one talking on his police HT. Then,
on NBC news with Brian Williams, a video clip showed an antenna-
laden Humvee of the Mississippi National Guard. Oh, and the
USCG with all those helos and the hoister guy talking with the
loader-into-the-basket guy on some kind of radio. Presumably
the helo pilots can talk to their base of ops by radio. Oh,
and all the news commentators in shirt-sleeves doing their
video-audio reporting from on-scene...and various folks
telephoning in audio stories. Yup...the whole INFRASTRUCTURE
went totally kaput at the end of the Mississippi River!

The biggest difference might just lie in understanding how things work.

ESPECIALLY everyone's local INFRASTRUCTURE, communications-wise.


I've been involved in exactly two emergency situations. One was on ssb with
Hans K0HB and the other was on 500 KHz. Yes, the cw is old, but the
situation involving Hans can happen at any time. Amazingly, that huge coast
guard tower did *not* survive the typhoon. An hf amateur rig could load a
chain link fence and provide reliable communications.

So, do tell us your experiences with emergency communications and why you
know that amateur radio will always (or never) float.

1994 Northridge Earthquake. TOTAL loss of electrical power to about
10 MILLION a few minutes after 4:30 AM. [53 persons died as a
direct result of that quake] Some places had severe structural
damage, gas main in Northridge ruptured, caught fire, various
utility poles and their lines down in many places, a few
collapsed freeway overpasses.

LAFD and other professional FDs had leased lines that went straight
to stations, didn't go through the switching centers of telephone
offices. All of them followed the pre-existing emergency plan and
rolled out. A few answered radio calls to fires that had broken out
(FDs have back-up electrical power for their base stations). PDs
were in constant contact by radio, their bases also having backup
electrical power. The hospitals of course had their emergency
electrical generators going and most of the ambulance services not
a part of hospitals were able to communicate by their radios.
TOTAL street blackout except for headlights of vehicles, that way
until sun-up (late, it was January 17th). Utility companies had
the greatest workload of all, but they had their radios and could
communicate...just too many places to go to to fix things all at
once...but they managed to contact all able employees to get them
to work (some going direct to repair sites).

Electrical power restoration didn't come back until shortly before
noon, a sequential area-by-area turn-on necessary to keep the AC
frequency constant. Got my residence power back at 2 PM, could see
the TV scenes (TV broadcasters long ago had backup electric power).
FEMA was on the scene the next day, doing the first real trial of
their flyaway terminals...and set up VIDEO bulletin boards so that
folks here could post things for faraway family and friends. About
2:30 PM on the 17th I got a telephone call from my uncle and aunt
in Florida, worried call; we were okay and we talked at some length.
They had no problem getting through. I got a call about 10 AM (give
or take) wanting me to help out with a utility company the next day;
no problem getting through to my residence phone.

Was there any amateur radio activated here on that 17th of January?
I'm not sure. Haven't heard of any locally. All I know is what
I've seen of the Greater L.A. Emergency Communications System and
its periodic drilling, refining of procedures, etc. Amateurs were
not a part of that in 1994. That system worked just as it was
expected to, even if it was part of the INFRASTRUCTURE that "was
supposed to fail."

Ham equipment can "float?" Haven't seen any yet with floation
devices. I'm sure someone can jury rig something for them.
National HROs and Halliscratchers are all boat anchors and will
dutifully go to the bottom of the water. Larry Roll once
postulated a Ten-Tec that "floated ashore" to a hypothetical
desert island after a hypothetical ship sinking and he used
that to send hypothetical messages from that by hypothetical
morse code (which didn't require any hypothetical electric
power..."CW gets through when nothing else will" and stuff
like thet there). Larry had too many hypos perhaps and
departed the newsgroup on April 15 last year. My house
is 830 feet above mean sea level; am NOT worried about
flooding.

Now, I'm absolutely sure that amateur radio CAN be a definite
help in a big disasterous emergency. Sometime. Besides the
documentary film about invading space aliens, that is. I'm
just NOT convinced that the INFRASTRUCTURE is going to FAIL to
such as extent that amateur radio is "the only possible savior."

From what I've seen on the TV news of the terrible destruction
from hurricane Katrina, the average amateur radio station in
the average New Orleans residence is not only submerged to the
roof line, but the electric power to it is out and any emergency
generators that might have been at those stations are completely
under water. If the shingles of a roof can blow off completely
in the downwash of a USCG helo (as has been seen by millions of
viewers), you'll have a hard sell to me on saying "amateur radio
towers have less wind loading and will survive" because I ain't
gonna believe some rinky-dink wire antennas I've seen can hold
up under 100+ MPH winds. I WILL believe an NG Humvee with VRCs
can do their nevis thing (cloud-burning) and get through to the
horizon IN such winds.

With most kindest warmest kissy-poo regards,

wrote:

Really? :-)

Maybe you're right. Amateur radio towers are kept up by FAITH.
Busy gal that Faith...

Hmmm...looking at the terrible scenes in Louisiana and
Mississippi, I couldn't help but notice a few police officers
about (in New Orleans) with one talking on his police HT. Then,
on NBC news with Brian Williams, a video clip showed an antenna-
laden Humvee of the Mississippi National Guard. Oh, and the
USCG with all those helos and the hoister guy talking with the
loader-into-the-basket guy on some kind of radio. Presumably
the helo pilots can talk to their base of ops by radio. Oh,
and all the news commentators in shirt-sleeves doing their
video-audio reporting from on-scene...and various folks
telephoning in audio stories. Yup...the whole INFRASTRUCTURE
went totally kaput at the end of the Mississippi River!

And I guess you think they are all passing health and welfare traffic.





1994 Northridge Earthquake. TOTAL loss of electrical power to about
10 MILLION a few minutes after 4:30 AM. [53 persons died as a
direct result of that quake] Some places had severe structural
damage, gas main in Northridge ruptured, caught fire, various
utility poles and their lines down in many places, a few
collapsed freeway overpasses.

Blah, blah, blah,

Face it lennyboy, ham radio has and is right now playing an important
part in emergency communications in a major disaster. Too bad you can't
be a part of it....no, I take that back, with your attitude you would
only be a hindrance.

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: Jim Hampton on Aug 31, 5:08 pm

wrote in message


Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

Of course not Len. Not everything survives; the portable and mobile
stuff
will survive far better than the cellphone towers, police towers and even
amateur towers. The smaller towers (usually amateur), however, do have
the
one advantage of a much smaller windload to carry.

Really? :-)

Maybe you're right. Amateur radio towers are kept up by FAITH.
Busy gal that Faith...

Hmmm...looking at the terrible scenes in Louisiana and
Mississippi, I couldn't help but notice a few police officers
about (in New Orleans) with one talking on his police HT. Then,
on NBC news with Brian Williams, a video clip showed an antenna-
laden Humvee of the Mississippi National Guard. Oh, and the
USCG with all those helos and the hoister guy talking with the
loader-into-the-basket guy on some kind of radio. Presumably
the helo pilots can talk to their base of ops by radio. Oh,
and all the news commentators in shirt-sleeves doing their
video-audio reporting from on-scene...and various folks
telephoning in audio stories. Yup...the whole INFRASTRUCTURE
went totally kaput at the end of the Mississippi River!

The biggest difference might just lie in understanding how things work.

ESPECIALLY everyone's local INFRASTRUCTURE, communications-wise.


I've been involved in exactly two emergency situations. One was on ssb
with
Hans K0HB and the other was on 500 KHz. Yes, the cw is old, but the
situation involving Hans can happen at any time. Amazingly, that huge
coast
guard tower did *not* survive the typhoon. An hf amateur rig could load
a
chain link fence and provide reliable communications.

So, do tell us your experiences with emergency communications and why you
know that amateur radio will always (or never) float.

1994 Northridge Earthquake. TOTAL loss of electrical power to about
10 MILLION a few minutes after 4:30 AM. [53 persons died as a
direct result of that quake] Some places had severe structural
damage, gas main in Northridge ruptured, caught fire, various
utility poles and their lines down in many places, a few
collapsed freeway overpasses.

LAFD and other professional FDs had leased lines that went straight
to stations, didn't go through the switching centers of telephone
offices. All of them followed the pre-existing emergency plan and
rolled out. A few answered radio calls to fires that had broken out
(FDs have back-up electrical power for their base stations). PDs
were in constant contact by radio, their bases also having backup
electrical power. The hospitals of course had their emergency
electrical generators going and most of the ambulance services not
a part of hospitals were able to communicate by their radios.
TOTAL street blackout except for headlights of vehicles, that way
until sun-up (late, it was January 17th). Utility companies had
the greatest workload of all, but they had their radios and could
communicate...just too many places to go to to fix things all at
once...but they managed to contact all able employees to get them
to work (some going direct to repair sites).

Electrical power restoration didn't come back until shortly before
noon, a sequential area-by-area turn-on necessary to keep the AC
frequency constant. Got my residence power back at 2 PM, could see
the TV scenes (TV broadcasters long ago had backup electric power).
FEMA was on the scene the next day, doing the first real trial of
their flyaway terminals...and set up VIDEO bulletin boards so that
folks here could post things for faraway family and friends. About
2:30 PM on the 17th I got a telephone call from my uncle and aunt
in Florida, worried call; we were okay and we talked at some length.
They had no problem getting through. I got a call about 10 AM (give
or take) wanting me to help out with a utility company the next day;
no problem getting through to my residence phone.

Was there any amateur radio activated here on that 17th of January?
I'm not sure. Haven't heard of any locally. All I know is what
I've seen of the Greater L.A. Emergency Communications System and
its periodic drilling, refining of procedures, etc. Amateurs were
not a part of that in 1994. That system worked just as it was
expected to, even if it was part of the INFRASTRUCTURE that "was
supposed to fail."

Ham equipment can "float?" Haven't seen any yet with floation
devices. I'm sure someone can jury rig something for them.
National HROs and Halliscratchers are all boat anchors and will
dutifully go to the bottom of the water. Larry Roll once
postulated a Ten-Tec that "floated ashore" to a hypothetical
desert island after a hypothetical ship sinking and he used
that to send hypothetical messages from that by hypothetical
morse code (which didn't require any hypothetical electric
power..."CW gets through when nothing else will" and stuff
like thet there). Larry had too many hypos perhaps and
departed the newsgroup on April 15 last year. My house
is 830 feet above mean sea level; am NOT worried about
flooding.

Now, I'm absolutely sure that amateur radio CAN be a definite
help in a big disasterous emergency. Sometime. Besides the
documentary film about invading space aliens, that is. I'm
just NOT convinced that the INFRASTRUCTURE is going to FAIL to
such as extent that amateur radio is "the only possible savior."

From what I've seen on the TV news of the terrible destruction
from hurricane Katrina, the average amateur radio station in
the average New Orleans residence is not only submerged to the
roof line, but the electric power to it is out and any emergency
generators that might have been at those stations are completely
under water. If the shingles of a roof can blow off completely
in the downwash of a USCG helo (as has been seen by millions of
viewers), you'll have a hard sell to me on saying "amateur radio
towers have less wind loading and will survive" because I ain't
gonna believe some rinky-dink wire antennas I've seen can hold
up under 100+ MPH winds. I WILL believe an NG Humvee with VRCs
can do their nevis thing (cloud-burning) and get through to the
horizon IN such winds.

With most kindest warmest kissy-poo regards,





LOL, Hello, Len

Thanks, but I'll pass on the kissy-poo regards )

You know, the few times we come close to arguing, I find that we are quite
close to agreeing. I think a lot of the problem is that many get
sidetracked over the great (if one can call it great) cw debate.

The answer, of course, is to use whatever resources are available should one
find themselves in such an unfortunate situation.

The size of the asset that amateur radio becomes is most likely decided by
the size of the area that is affected. That big NE ice storm a few years
back (late 90s) affected areas for hundreds of miles. They were asking for
mobile hf hams. I suspect that many hams in the affected area did loose
their towers, but, as I mentioned, the smaller towers have the advantage of
less wind loading (and less ice to support too).

Mobile ops supplied a lot of help during that mess as their rigs and
antennas came in from an unaffected area. HTs would not have helped (except
in very localized support) as they don't have the kind of coverage needed.
Many repeaters were off, some were still on, and at least one was pressed
into use by the police (plugged their radio into the repeater coax).

In closing, let me wish you best regards and pass on the kissy-poo


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

wrote:
Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)


Looks like ham radio is doing just that right now.

wrote:
Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency. Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure. Hams are there and are producing. The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:


AMATEUR HIGH-FREQUENCY GULF COAST HURRICANE NETS

03845.0 LSB Gulf Coast West Hurricane
03862.5 LSB Mississippi Section Traffic
03873.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03873.0 LSB Louisiana ARES Emergency (night)
03873.0 LSB Texas ARES Emergency (night)
03873.0 LSB Mississippi ARES Emergency
03910.0 LSB Mississippi ARES
03910.0 LSB Louisiana Traffic
03923.0 LSB Mississippi ARES
03925.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03925.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency (altn)
03935.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
03935.0 LSB Louisiana ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Mississippi ARES (health & welfare)
03935.0 LSB Alabama Emergency
03940.0 LSB Southern Florida Emergency
03950.0 LSB Northern Florida Emergency
03955.0 LSB South Texas Emergency
03965.0 LSB Alabama Emergency (altn)
03967.0 LSB Gulf Coast (outgoing traffic)
03975.0 LSB Texas RACES
03993.5 LSB Gulf Coast (health & welfare)
03995.0 LSB Gulf Coast Wx

07225.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07235.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency
07235.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07235.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency
07240.0 LSB American Red Cross US Gulf Coast Disaster
07240.0 LSB Texas Emergency
07243.0 LSB Alabama Emergency
07245.0 LSB Southern Louisiana
07248.0 LSB Texas RACES
07250.0 LSB Texas Emergency
07260.0 LSB Gulf Coast West Hurricane
07264.0 LSB Gulf Coast (health & welfare)
07265.0 LSB Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio (SATERN) (altn)
07273.0 LSB Texas ARES (altn)
07280.0 LSB NTS Region 5
07280.0 LSB Louisiana Emergency (altn)
07283.0 LSB Gulf Coast (outgoing only)
07285.0 LSB West Gulf ARES Emergency (day)
07285.0 LSB Louisiana ARES Emergency (day)
07285.0 LSB Mississippi ARES Emergency
07285.0 LSB Texas ARES Emergency (day)
07290.0 LSB Central Gulf Coast Hurricane
07290.0 LSB Gulf Coast Wx
07290.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
07290.0 LSB Louisiana ARES (health & welfare) (day)
07290.0 LSB Texas ARES (health & welfare)
07290.0 LSB Mississippi ARES (health & welfare)

14265.0 USB Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio (SATERN) (health &
welfare) 14300.0 USB Intercontinental Traffic
14300.0 USB Maritime Mobile Service
14303.0 USB International Assistance & Traffic
14313.0 USB Intercontinental Traffic (altn)
14313.0 USB Maritime Mobile Service (altn)
14316.0 USB Health & Welfare
14320.0 USB Health & Welfare
14325.0 USB Hurricane Watch (Amateur-to-National Hurricane Center)
14340.0 USB Louisiana (1900)

You'll find FEMA, other USG and NGO operations at:

Hurricane Katrina HF Response and Recovery Frequencies

02802.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-91) **

03171.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-92) **

05136.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-93) **
05141.4 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-94) **
05211.0 USB FEMA
05236.0 USB SHARES Coordination Network (nationwide HF voice coordination)

06859.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-95) **

07507.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (pri)

07550.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-96 - primary) **
07698.5 USB American Red Cross Disaster (F-97) **

09380.0 USB USN/USCG hurricane net (sec)

10493.0 USB FEMA

14396.5 USB SHARES Coordination Network (nationwide HF voice coordination)

** Type-accepted equipment and an issued US FCC license are required to
transmit on Red Cross frequencies

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Aug 31, 8:25 pm


wrote:

Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency.

...and you are still mad as heil and can't take it anymore. :-)

Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure.

...and you are there, reporting for ARRL Eyewitless News?

Of course you are, and nearly totally collapsed yourself in
this mighty Herculean Effort to TELL ME OFF! :-)

Hams are there and are producing.

They've set up a factory?!? What are they making? Floating
Ten-Tecs?

The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:

...and so has NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News teams, duly reporting
LIVE from the scene. Ahem, millions of us viewers around the
country have seen those news broadcasts. Was amateur radio
handling their LIVE feeds from the disaster areas? Was amateur
radio manning those antenna-laden Humvees of the NG?

Lissen-up Davie-boy: PARTS of New Orleans are TOTALLY under
water. That INCLUDES ham residences and probably some ham
equipped vehicles (hard to tell when the tops are under water).
EVERYTHING went under in some of that flooding...but NOT
everywhere, obviously from the news reports on TV.

Davie-boy, I didn't say anything "against" amateur radio as a
service, or anything nasty to the CITIZEN volunteers (ham or
not) who are busy "producing" on-the-scene.

I'm tossing stuff at INDIVIDUAL "commentators" in here. If you
got somebody else's ripe tomato, TS for you. You throw them
at me all time...I'll save some extra-ripe ones for you, OK?

I have nothing but PRAISE for INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WHO
VOLUNTEER TO HELP fellow citizens in a disaster. Been there
myself in this part of the country and don't want to see
another.

Now, get on with YOUR on-the-spot "aid" by tossing nastygrams
at all who don't accept the myths and morsemyths about amateur
radio. You seem to be obsessed with nastygramming all who
disagree with you. Are you a Dudly-the-Pretender Wannabe?

Meanwhile, NPRM 05-143 was before the FCC and the public
before Katrina had grown to acquire a NOAA name for it.
That NPRM might cause the utter destruction of Ham Radio
As You Know It! Don't worry. The newcomers will get a Heil
Help Net working just for you...someday...and ease your
obvious Pain and Discomfort of whatever ails your psyche.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Aug 31, 8:25 pm



wrote:


Doesn't matter about MODE...all good morsepersons know that
all amateur radio SURVIVES all possible emergencies, floats
on water while the hams walk on water...:-)

I recall your past statements about the commercial communications
infrastructure never totally failing in an emergency.


...and you are still mad as heil and can't take it anymore. :-)

I can see where a guy who operates like you do would come to that
erroneous conclusion. It'd be sort of like the ARRL conspiracy to keep
things from being published in the Federal Register. :-) :-)


Well, Leonard the
devastation of New Orleans reveals near total collapse of the commercial
communications infrastructure.


...and you are there, reporting for ARRL Eyewitless News?

I am?

Of course you are, and nearly totally collapsed yourself in
this mighty Herculean Effort to TELL ME OFF! :-)

Telling you off is pretty easy. You invariably get things wrong. :-)

Hams are there and are producing.


They've set up a factory?!? What are they making? Floating
Ten-Tecs?

What are they making? They're making you look like you don't know what
you're talking about--again.

The
Feds are rushing communications equipment into place but amateur radio
volunteers are already on the job:


...and so has NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News teams, duly reporting
LIVE from the scene. Ahem, millions of us viewers around the
country have seen those news broadcasts.

Thanks for another masterful statement of the obvious.

Was amateur radio
handling their LIVE feeds from the disaster areas?

I thought you knew all about amateur radio and what it is and does.
Do you mean that you think amateur radio is a commercial broadcasting
endeavor?

Was amateur
radio manning those antenna-laden Humvees of the NG?

Do you think that amateur radio is the military?

Lissen-up Davie-boy: PARTS of New Orleans are TOTALLY under
water.

No, you listen up, Lennie-old-boy: Better than 80% of New Orleans is
under water.

That INCLUDES ham residences and probably some ham
equipped vehicles (hard to tell when the tops are under water).
EVERYTHING went under in some of that flooding...but NOT
everywhere, obviously from the news reports on TV.

You must not be paying much attention to those live news reports from
the area. The telephone system and cellular phones are down. From your
past comments on emergencies, *that just can't happen*, but it did.

Davie-boy, I didn't say anything "against" amateur radio as a
service, or anything nasty to the CITIZEN volunteers (ham or
not) who are busy "producing" on-the-scene.

You've certainly done so a number of times in the past.

I'm tossing stuff at INDIVIDUAL "commentators" in here.

What else is new? :-) :-)

If you
got somebody else's ripe tomato, TS for you. You throw them
at me all time...I'll save some extra-ripe ones for you, OK?

I've corrected one of your frequent factual errors.

I have nothing but PRAISE for INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WHO
VOLUNTEER TO HELP fellow citizens in a disaster. Been there
myself in this part of the country and don't want to see
another.

Well, Mister "Nothing-but-praise", you've commented on a number of
emergency situations and have discounted accounts of amateur radio
participation. Yet there the hams are. I've listened to a number of
nets this evening on 75m. There is emergency traffic being passed.
There is health and welfare traffic being passed. As time goes by,
we'll hear accounts of the local VHF operations and the parts they played.

Now, get on with YOUR on-the-spot "aid" by tossing nastygrams
at all who don't accept the myths and morsemyths about amateur
radio.

My direct assistance from here isn't needed at all. We've already
passed health and welfare traffic on the West Virginia Phone Net,
beginning last evening. NTS is working well. It isn't a myth. Neither
is the list of active nets which I posted here. What is a myth is that
you are somehow involved in amateur radio.


You seem to be obsessed with nastygramming all who
disagree with you. Are you a Dudly-the-Pretender Wannabe?

You and Frank haven't yet discovered how to spell "Dudley". That hasn't
stopped your usual name calling.

Fire up your trusty R-70, Len, and you may be able to listen to some of
what amateur radio ops are doing toward assisting the hurricane victims.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
nk.net...

[snip]


My direct assistance from here isn't needed at all. We've already passed
health and welfare traffic on the West Virginia Phone Net, beginning last
evening. NTS is working well. It isn't a myth. Neither is the list of
active nets which I posted here. What is a myth is that you are somehow
involved in amateur radio.


Yes we've started to receive health and welfare traffic into our area. One
of the members of the net had the great satisfaction last night of being
able to deliver a message to let someone know that their relatives were OK.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE