Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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It only looks like that to people who look at the worst possible
interpretation rather than the best. Most of us DON'T look at it that
way.

Those notes are from the ARRL who have boasted they take a more liberal
view than the FCC

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


It seems like a simple statement rather than a boast.

you are of course entitled to your opinion. By what right to seek to
deny MINE?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:


Not at all. I read the ARRL statement and the FCC rules. I happen to agree
that there is enough flexibility to allow meeting the travel expenses, food
expenses for those who are going down. There is no intent to "make a buck".

My point was that there is no reason to automatically assume that there is
an intent to do wrong.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?

Yes in the sense written in the rules. Now those rules ought to be
rewritten and so one but in real terms yes you according the
publications of the ARRL.

such a rule is stuppid will never be enforced but it a violation never
the less, just as if I drive 60 in 55 zone I'll likely not be stoped
and ticketed but I would still be breaking the law.

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?


"an old friend" replied:

Yes

OK, folks, every one of you who accepted food or lodging in the course of
participating in an emergency communications incident is guilty of violating FCC
rules.

If the Red Cross or Salvation Army (btw, why is there no Salvation Navy)
provided you with some identification garment like a hat or t-shirt, you must
return the garment to the issuing agency. If you have lost or damaged the
garment you must reimburse the RC/SA for the fair market value of the garment.

You should file amended state and federal tax returns accounting for the value
of the freebie meals/lodging/refreshments/transportation which was provided to
you in the course of your volunteer assignment, with copies to all FCC
Commissioners who will review your fitness to continue to hold your Amateur
Radio license.

Or not.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Food, caps, tee-shirts, food, and bottle water is one thing, but money
is another. My point in all of this is K1MAN was fined by the FCC for
Pecuniary Interest and now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE is going to
do the samething. What go for one person should apply for all. The MAIN
problem I see here is the definition of the term noncommercial, and
seems that there is two tems on what noncommercial means.

Todd N9OGL

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:54:36 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote in t:


crossposting snipped

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?


"an old friend" replied:

Yes

OK, folks, every one of you who accepted food or lodging in the course of
participating in an emergency communications incident is guilty of violating FCC
rules.


Are you talking to every ham? or just the fat, lazy, nacho-cheese
addicted hero-wannabes that hang around this group?


If the Red Cross or Salvation Army (btw, why is there no Salvation Navy)


Ok, I'll bite: Why is there no Salvation Navy?


provided you with some identification garment like a hat or t-shirt, you must
return the garment to the issuing agency. If you have lost or damaged the
garment you must reimburse the RC/SA for the fair market value of the garment.

You should file amended state and federal tax returns accounting for the value
of the freebie meals/lodging/refreshments/transportation which was provided to
you in the course of your volunteer assignment, with copies to all FCC
Commissioners who will review your fitness to continue to hold your Amateur
Radio license.

Or not.


Seems to me that the rules were written that way for a reason. After
all, how many times has someone offered services in exchange for
"donations"? Happens all the time. Even the Red Cross has it's own
definition of "reasonable compensation" when it comes to exec salaries
and bonuses. I doubt that anyone will cry foul if such amenities are
given, but they should certainly not be expected or anticipated, which
is what will happen if the rules are changed to allow such exceptions.
Besides, 'compensation' kinda takes a little weight out of the word
"volunteer".









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K=D8HB wrote:
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities a=
nd
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interes=
t"?


"an old friend" replied:

Yes

OK, folks, every one of you who accepted food or lodging in the course of
participating in an emergency communications incident is guilty of violat=
ing FCC
rules.

cut

glad to see you agree (at last I mention where I make my cuts Hans
quote
Yes in the sense written in the rules. Now those rules ought to be
rewritten and so one but in real terms yes you according the
publications of the ARRL.

such a rule is stuppid will never be enforced but it a violation never
the less, just as if I drive 60 in 55 zone I'll likely not be stoped
and ticketed but I would still be breaking the law.

unquote

It is still a violation even if no one will ever do anything about it

your efforts at bad jokes not withstanding



=20
Or not.
=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

"N9OGL" wrote

now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE

Todd,

Up until this point, the conversation on this topic was reasoned and balanced.
But you've chosen to resort to your habitual trash mouth mode, so you can find
any further comments from me posted at http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy .

With warmest kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB

N9OGL wrote:
Food, caps, tee-shirts, food, and bottle water is one thing, but money
is another. My point in all of this is K1MAN was fined by the FCC for
Pecuniary Interest and now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE is going to
do the samething. What go for one person should apply for all. The MAIN
problem I see here is the definition of the term noncommercial, and
seems that there is two tems on what noncommercial means.

I'll have agree wihth you where I think you realy go of the tracks is
saying there are 2 standards, there are far more than that. the rules
are enforced in arbitary manners based on personalities not on the
public interests

The ARRL can do most of what it wants becuase of its sheer size, and
the facts it has the money and legal forces to make a better fight of
it

The FCC will try and make examples of those that are not liked like
K1MAN who by the best accounts I have heard sounds like a jerk, not
crimal to my mind Unless the ARRL is too but not a nice guy.

The danger of such tactics is the camels nose effect, and like the
Nazi's you start with folks that are not liked and then you move on to
others and still others

Not bashing Bush for this or Clinton or... but the general creeping
influence of the people truely runing the country , the nameless
faceless breaucrat, what Asimov called the "Greys"

Todd N9OGL

Dee Flint wrote:


Not at all. I read the ARRL statement and the FCC rules. I happen to agree
that there is enough flexibility to allow meeting the travel expenses, food
expenses for those who are going down. There is no intent to "make a buck".

My point was that there is no reason to automatically assume that there is
an intent to do wrong.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?

K=D8HB wrote:
"N9OGL" wrote

now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE

Todd,

Up until this point, the conversation on this topic was reasoned and bala=
nced.
But you've chosen to resort to your habitual trash mouth mode, so you can=
find
any further comments from me posted at http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy =
=2E

With warmest kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB

yeah right
balanced sure

such advocates of free speech we have here