The general term for noncommercial is a station that can't make a
profit, but can make money to substain the station. Then you have the
amateur rules which state an amateur station can make money direct or
indirect period. K1MAN is a primary example of this no money direct or
indirect period which the FCC is enforcing and the ARRL supports. that
was last week, now you have the ARRL this week getting a grant to give
to amateur operators to basically compensate them for doing radio
communication down south. I REALLY hope the FCC is watching this crap
as a matter of fact I'm going to copy and paste this and sent it to the
FCC and a few other people I know. I posted it on QRZ but those asshole
knocked it off their site. Because Like I said what applies for one
should apply for all.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
The general term for noncommercial is a station that can't make a
profit, but can make money to substain the station. Then you have the
amateur rules which state an amateur station can make money direct or
indirect period. K1MAN is a primary example of this no money direct or
indirect period which the FCC is enforcing and the ARRL supports. that
was last week, now you have the ARRL this week getting a grant to give
to amateur operators to basically compensate them for doing radio
communication down south. I REALLY hope the FCC is watching this crap
as a matter of fact I'm going to copy and paste this and sent it to the
FCC and a few other people I know. I posted it on QRZ but those asshole
knocked it off their site. Because Like I said what applies for one
should apply for all.

You are right of course it should, but alas it doesn't, such is life in
the USA these days under either party since the 'Crats control things

Todd N9OGL

"N9OGL" wrote in message
oups.com...
Food, caps, tee-shirts, food, and bottle water is one thing, but money
is another. My point in all of this is K1MAN was fined by the FCC for
Pecuniary Interest and now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE is going to
do the samething. What go for one person should apply for all. The MAIN
problem I see here is the definition of the term noncommercial, and
seems that there is two tems on what noncommercial means.

Todd N9OGL
.................................................. ...

Learn to write (and spell), Todd.
Most third graders can do better than you.

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"N9OGL" wrote

now the ASSHOLE RADIO RELAY LEAGUE

Todd,

Up until this point, the conversation on this topic was reasoned and
balanced.

(according to who? You?)


But you've chosen to resort to your habitual trash mouth mode, so you can
find
any further comments from me posted at http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy .

Don't go away mad, Hans. Just go away. Thank you very much.

With warmest kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB


(in closing, Hans takes his dishes and goes home...)

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:


Not at all. I read the ARRL statement and the FCC rules. I happen to
agree
that there is enough flexibility to allow meeting the travel expenses,
food
expenses for those who are going down. There is no intent to "make a
buck".

My point was that there is no reason to automatically assume that there is
an intent to do wrong.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?
.................

Of course not. Besides, who but the most idiotic of Hams would accuse you of
same?
You were performing a public service.
I am assuming, of course, that your question was posted with a
tongue-in-cheek smile and with hopes to "bait" someone.

And by the way. Hotel/motel rooms, meals etc. aside, I wonder if some
nit-picker may not come along and posit that you should not have accepted
the free electricity to run your radios, either.

"an old friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dee Flint wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...
cut

It only looks like that to people who look at the worst possible
interpretation rather than the best. Most of us DON'T look at it that
way.

Those notes are from the ARRL who have boasted they take a more liberal
view than the FCC

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


It seems like a simple statement rather than a boast.

you are of course entitled to your opinion. By what right to seek to
deny MINE?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I have not denied yours. Simply made my point to counterbalance yours.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:


Not at all. I read the ARRL statement and the FCC rules. I happen to
agree that there is enough flexibility to allow meeting the travel
expenses, food expenses for those who are going down. There is no intent
to "make a buck".

My point was that there is no reason to automatically assume that there
is an intent to do wrong.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The kind
folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and fed
us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?

Not me. I'm quite sure you returned home with less money than you started.

I've generally seen the term "pecuniary interest" used in the sense of
"attempting to make a profit". Neither the ARRL nor the individual hams
will make a profit from this.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Digital" wrote in message ...

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:


Not at all. I read the ARRL statement and the FCC rules. I happen to
agree
that there is enough flexibility to allow meeting the travel expenses,
food
expenses for those who are going down. There is no intent to "make a
buck".

My point was that there is no reason to automatically assume that there
is
an intent to do wrong.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?
................

Of course not. Besides, who but the most idiotic of Hams would accuse you
of
same?
You were performing a public service.
I am assuming, of course, that your question was posted with a
tongue-in-cheek smile and with hopes to "bait" someone.

And by the way. Hotel/motel rooms, meals etc. aside, I wonder if some
nit-picker may not come along and posit that you should not have accepted
the free electricity to run your radios, either.

Excellent example of "illustrating absurdity by reducing it to the absurd."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:

"N9OGL" wrote


"You must never accept any money or other consideration for operating
your station [97.113(a)(2)]. this is consistent with one of the prime
directives of our serice:

I understand your concern, but the grant does not provide payment for o=
perating;
it provides reimbursement for expenses.


My radios are expenses.


You might be able to make a case for that if you purchased them for
emergency use, and only used them for Emergency use.

Expect a challenge, tho'
=20
- Mike KB3EIA -

As if I'd use them any other time.

"KØHB" ) writes:
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:

Years ago I participated in ham radio communications after a tornado
cleaned out about half of the southern part of Witchta Fall, Tx. The
kind folks of WF housed us in a church, provided sleeping facilities and
fed us. Anyone think that was violating the rule of "pecuniary interest"?


"an old friend" replied:

Yes

OK, folks, every one of you who accepted food or lodging in the course of
participating in an emergency communications incident is guilty of violating FCC
rules.

If the Red Cross or Salvation Army (btw, why is there no Salvation Navy)
provided you with some identification garment like a hat or t-shirt, you must
return the garment to the issuing agency. If you have lost or damaged the
garment you must reimburse the RC/SA for the fair market value of the garment.

You should file amended state and federal tax returns accounting for the value
of the freebie meals/lodging/refreshments/transportation which was provided to
you in the course of your volunteer assignment, with copies to all FCC
Commissioners who will review your fitness to continue to hold your Amateur
Radio license.

Or not.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Of course, if you reverse the wording, it makes the thing all make more
sense.

You volunteer for something, but they insist you wear a tshirt and hat,
and you MUST pay for it.

They won't provide food, so you've got to pay for it, even though you will
be in a situation where you can't easily bring lunch from home, and don't
have a wide selection of choices.

Then they will bill you for lodging.

Michael VE2BVW