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Proof of the Necessity of Amatuer Radio
==AMATEUR RADIO VOLUNTEERS FILLING COMMUNICATION GAPS IN GULF REGION Hundreds of Amateur Radio operators from the Gulf Coast and elsewhere in the US continue to volunteer their skills and expertise as the Hurricane Katrina relief effort heads into its third week. ARRL Section Managers (SMs) and Section Emergency Coordinators (SECs) across and around the affected region have been teleconferencing daily to keep their efforts on the same page. In the field, Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and other volunteers are assisting as needed to support communication for relief agencies as well as for state and local government and even the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Louisiana SEC Gary Stratton, K5GLS, says Amateur Radio was the only means for state officials at the state emergency operations center (EOC) in Baton Rouge to communicate earlier this week with the so-called "Florida parishes" above Lake Pontchartrain. "We have had praise from one end of Louisiana to the other about Amateur Radio operators," Stratton said. "There was a communication to the EOC in Baton Rouge from FEMA that said, 'Ham radio is our prime communications with you, and they should get anything they need,' so FEMA recognizes the importance of ham radio." He also recounted how state officials arriving at the EOC were using ham radio to get through to their hard-hit parishes. A marshaling center has been established in Covington, Louisiana. ARES has been continuing to support Red Cross shelter and Southern Baptist Convention debris-clearing in St Tammany parish, as well as Baptist Men's Kitchen canteen operations. In Washington Parish, ARES volunteers--including more than a dozen from South Texas--have been providing critical communication among hospitals and the parish EOC, among other functions. Field teams were continuing to use HF to maintain communication with the EOC in Baton Rouge............................................. ......... snip This comes from www.arrl.org and its "ARRL Letter. I call attention to the quotes by FEMA officials and others as tp the necessity and vitality of Amateur Radio to the relief effort in the aftermath of Katrina. Yes, it is from a publication dedicated to Amateur Radio itself, but I also invite readers to go to the site and read the entire article AND the part where the National Guard borrowed equipment from HAMS WHEN THEIRS WOULDN'T WORK!!!!!! THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE A M A T E U R R A D I O WAS, AND STILL IS, THE O N L Y means of commuications into and out of various Louisiana parishes!!!!!!!!!!!! The O N L Y communications. Period! Again, it doesn't matter how MUCH ham radio contributes, but that it IS contributing in VITAL ways and, in some cases, is the ONLY communications. Period. HAHAHAHA! We can deny, denigrate, belittle, downrate Amateur radio all you like, but facts is facts. I am sitting here LISTENING to HF ham radio traffic of all kinds from the stricken area. A lot of it sounds important to ME, but then what do I know? *I* am not the ones (Lenny) in denial! Jerry |
"Jerry" wrote in message ... ==AMATEUR RADIO VOLUNTEERS FILLING COMMUNICATION GAPS IN GULF REGION Hundreds of Amateur Radio operators from the Gulf Coast and elsewhere in the US continue to volunteer their skills and expertise as the Hurricane Katrina relief effort heads into its third week. ARRL Section Managers (SMs) and Section Emergency Coordinators (SECs) across and around the affected region have been teleconferencing daily to keep their efforts on the same page. In the field, Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and other volunteers are assisting as needed to support communication for relief agencies as well as for state and local government and even the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Louisiana SEC Gary Stratton, K5GLS, says Amateur Radio was the only means for state officials at the state emergency operations center (EOC) in Baton Rouge to communicate earlier this week with the so-called "Florida parishes" above Lake Pontchartrain. "We have had praise from one end of Louisiana to the other about Amateur Radio operators," Stratton said. "There was a communication to the EOC in Baton Rouge from FEMA that said, 'Ham radio is our prime communications with you, and they should get anything they need,' so FEMA recognizes the importance of ham radio." He also recounted how state officials arriving at the EOC were using ham radio to get through to their hard-hit parishes. A marshaling center has been established in Covington, Louisiana. ARES has been continuing to support Red Cross shelter and Southern Baptist Convention debris-clearing in St Tammany parish, as well as Baptist Men's Kitchen canteen operations. In Washington Parish, ARES volunteers--including more than a dozen from South Texas--have been providing critical communication among hospitals and the parish EOC, among other functions. Field teams were continuing to use HF to maintain communication with the EOC in Baton Rouge............................................. ......... snip This comes from www.arrl.org and its "ARRL Letter. I call attention to the quotes by FEMA officials and others as tp the necessity and vitality of Amateur Radio to the relief effort in the aftermath of Katrina. Yes, it is from a publication dedicated to Amateur Radio itself, but I also invite readers to go to the site and read the entire article AND the part where the National Guard borrowed equipment from HAMS WHEN THEIRS WOULDN'T WORK!!!!!! THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE A M A T E U R R A D I O WAS, AND STILL IS, THE O N L Y means of commuications into and out of various Louisiana parishes!!!!!!!!!!!! The O N L Y communications. Period! Again, it doesn't matter how MUCH ham radio contributes, but that it IS contributing in VITAL ways and, in some cases, is the ONLY communications. Period. HAHAHAHA! We can deny, denigrate, belittle, downrate Amateur radio all you like, but facts is facts. I am sitting here LISTENING to HF ham radio traffic of all kinds from the stricken area. A lot of it sounds important to ME, but then what do I know? *I* am not the ones (Lenny) in denial! Jerry Neither he, nor the old goofball believe the ARRL. This is all a big ploy to make hams look better according to the old goof. Lennie is strangly quiet these days. Guess his life long hate of Amateur Radio doing good things must have him all upset. Dan/W4NTI |
Jerry wrote: cut We can deny, denigrate, belittle, downrate Amateur radio all you like, but facts is facts. I am sitting here LISTENING to HF ham radio traffic of all kinds from the stricken area. A lot of it sounds important to ME, but then what do I know? *I* am not the ones (Lenny) in denial! the proof of the statements of Len and myself is in your title "Proof of the Necessity of Amatuer Radio" using proof and necessity mean you blow the truth right of the water if you had choosen instead the "Importance of the ARS" literaly how many more people would DIE without the ARS (and how do you sdetermeine that without asking question about the operations? IMO and in Lens I believe there is a difference between vital and merely important Jerry |
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:26:20 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in . net: "Jerry" wrote in message ... ==AMATEUR RADIO VOLUNTEERS FILLING COMMUNICATION GAPS IN GULF REGION Hundreds of Amateur Radio operators from the Gulf Coast and elsewhere in the US continue to volunteer their skills and expertise as the Hurricane Katrina relief effort heads into its third week. ARRL Section Managers (SMs) and Section Emergency Coordinators (SECs) across and around the affected region have been teleconferencing daily to keep their efforts on the same page. In the field, Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and other volunteers are assisting as needed to support communication for relief agencies as well as for state and local government and even the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Louisiana SEC Gary Stratton, K5GLS, says Amateur Radio was the only means for state officials at the state emergency operations center (EOC) in Baton Rouge to communicate earlier this week with the so-called "Florida parishes" above Lake Pontchartrain. "We have had praise from one end of Louisiana to the other about Amateur Radio operators," Stratton said. "There was a communication to the EOC in Baton Rouge from FEMA that said, 'Ham radio is our prime communications with you, and they should get anything they need,' so FEMA recognizes the importance of ham radio." He also recounted how state officials arriving at the EOC were using ham radio to get through to their hard-hit parishes. A marshaling center has been established in Covington, Louisiana. ARES has been continuing to support Red Cross shelter and Southern Baptist Convention debris-clearing in St Tammany parish, as well as Baptist Men's Kitchen canteen operations. In Washington Parish, ARES volunteers--including more than a dozen from South Texas--have been providing critical communication among hospitals and the parish EOC, among other functions. Field teams were continuing to use HF to maintain communication with the EOC in Baton Rouge............................................. ......... snip This comes from www.arrl.org and its "ARRL Letter. I call attention to the quotes by FEMA officials and others as tp the necessity and vitality of Amateur Radio to the relief effort in the aftermath of Katrina. Yes, it is from a publication dedicated to Amateur Radio itself, but I also invite readers to go to the site and read the entire article AND the part where the National Guard borrowed equipment from HAMS WHEN THEIRS WOULDN'T WORK!!!!!! THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE A M A T E U R R A D I O WAS, AND STILL IS, THE O N L Y means of commuications into and out of various Louisiana parishes!!!!!!!!!!!! The O N L Y communications. Period! Again, it doesn't matter how MUCH ham radio contributes, but that it IS contributing in VITAL ways and, in some cases, is the ONLY communications. Period. HAHAHAHA! We can deny, denigrate, belittle, downrate Amateur radio all you like, but facts is facts. I am sitting here LISTENING to HF ham radio traffic of all kinds from the stricken area. A lot of it sounds important to ME, but then what do I know? *I* am not the ones (Lenny) in denial! Jerry Neither he, nor the old goofball believe the ARRL. This is all a big ploy to make hams look better according to the old goof. Lennie is strangly quiet these days. Guess his life long hate of Amateur Radio doing good things must have him all upset. Or maybe he's busy actually doing something to help the effort, unlike the few lame wannabes like you who do nothing but boast about your accomplishments when you haven't accomplished squat. Some hams did indeed make a great contribution. But -you- don't get to take credit for -their- individual efforts by virtue of your license. If you want to brag then -you- do something worth bragging about. Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
From: Frank Gilliland on Sep 10, 4:07 pm
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:26:20 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: "Jerry" wrote in message ... Again, it doesn't matter how MUCH ham radio contributes, but that it IS contributing in VITAL ways and, in some cases, is the ONLY communications. Period. HAHAHAHA! We can deny, denigrate, belittle, downrate Amateur radio all you like, but facts is facts. I am sitting here LISTENING to HF ham radio traffic of all kinds from the stricken area. A lot of it sounds important to ME, but then what do I know? *I* am not the ones (Lenny) in denial! Jerry [Oxendine] Neither he, nor the old goofball believe the ARRL. This is all a big ploy to make hams look better according to the old goof. Lennie is strangly quiet these days. Guess his life long hate of Amateur Radio doing good things must have him all upset. Or maybe he's busy actually doing something to help the effort, unlike the few lame wannabes like you who do nothing but boast about your accomplishments when you haven't accomplished squat. I diasgree with that, Frank. I think Dan and Jerry HAVE squatted a lot in here. :-) Some of their squat products are things like "if you don't agree with ME, you HATE HAM RADIO!" :-) What I do for any hurricane/flood relief aid is my business. I don't need any "bragging rights" stated to make me secure. Others brag and, as you point out, are waving their self- patriotic flags for themselves by associating others' good deeds with their own hobby. Some hams did indeed make a great contribution. But -you- don't get to take credit for -their- individual efforts by virtue of your license. Oh, ohhh! Frank, if you don't like Dan's bragging, he gonna say "you HATE HAM RADIO!" If you want to brag then -you- do something worth bragging about. He is. He be cutting-and-pasting ARRL "official news" and posting it in here. Of course, anyone who can access Google can also access www.arrl.org, get the same stuff direct. :-) Dan's concept of "doing something" involves being a cheerleader and cussing out others who don't agree with him. Dan IS ham radio! Disagree with him and you HATE HAM RADIO!!! :-) Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. You mean I can't send all those Medals of Valor for Amateur Communications to Dan? I had this very nice Ceremony planned. Marching bands, bugle corps, drum majorettes, and plenty of flags. It was going to be in northern New Orleans. They seem to have some trouble with water or whatever. Need wading boots to be on the parade ground. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Remember also that Jerry Oxendine IS ham radio. Disagree with him and he'll say you HATE HAM RADIO!!! :-) |
Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? Dan/W4NTI |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
Or maybe he's busy actually doing something to help the effort, unlike the few lame wannabes like you who do nothing but boast about your accomplishments when you haven't accomplished squat. Some hams did indeed make a great contribution. But -you- don't get to take credit for -their- individual efforts by virtue of your license. If you want to brag then -you- do something worth bragging about. The hams have no need to brag, the media and emergency officials are doing pleanty of bragging about the role ham radio is playing in this disaster. Haven't heard them brag about any of the "ten fer thar, we is-a-standing-by thar ten fer" cb crowd yet. Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. And you and your CeeBee have done what to help so far Frankieboy? |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? ah yes the ****ing contest again SoP for the elite Dan/W4NTI |
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? ah yes the ****ing contest again SoP for the elite Dan/W4NTI No ****in contest. Just a question. Your the one bad mouthing ham radio. Just what are your credentials? Dan/W4NTI |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? ah yes the ****ing contest again SoP for the elite Dan/W4NTI No ****in contest. Just a question. Your the one bad mouthing ham radio. Just what are your credentials? yep ****ing contest. not bad mothing Ham radio, been bad mouthing YOU dan but you are not the totaloty of Ham radio Dan/W4NTI |
an_old_friend wrote:
you are not the totaloty of Ham radio Priceless! Toodle-oody, Dave K8MN |
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:30 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in .net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. That's funny, I could have sworn my name is the same as to whom you replied above (or don't you know how to count the little arrows at the begging of each quoted line?). Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? I already have. Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:30 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: cut ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. That's funny, I could have sworn my name is the same as to whom you replied above (or don't you know how to count the little arrows at the begging of each quoted line?). that is SoP ignore anything given in answer Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? I already have. Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? and then some credit cards too |
Gutless puke is all you are.
Dan/W4NTI "an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? ah yes the ****ing contest again SoP for the elite Dan/W4NTI No ****in contest. Just a question. Your the one bad mouthing ham radio. Just what are your credentials? yep ****ing contest. not bad mothing Ham radio, been bad mouthing YOU dan but you are not the totaloty of Ham radio Dan/W4NTI |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... an_old_friend wrote: you are not the totaloty of Ham radio Priceless! Toodle-oody, Dave K8MN And he expects anyone to take his rants serious, eh? Dan/W4NTI |
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:30 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. That's funny, I could have sworn my name is the same as to whom you replied above (or don't you know how to count the little arrows at the begging of each quoted line?). Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? I already have. Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? What the crap are you talking about? I've NEVER seen a DD-214 from you or anyone else on this newsgroup. You must be thinking of the library where you rant with the young boys. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ink.net... an_old_friend wrote: you are not the totaloty of Ham radio Priceless! Toodle-oody, Dave K8MN And he expects anyone to take his rants serious, eh? Some people do take my coment seriously OTOH I certainly never expect you you(Dan) Dave or Stevie to take anything seriously when it conflicts with your preconceived notions Indeed for your other message, I'd say the gutlessone is that one who can't discuss an issue at all, which is of course you Let us all know when you grow up and deicde that unlike say the Palistians you are willing to discuss a subject without insisting that everyone at the table agree to agree with you in advance Dan/W4NTI |
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:25:23 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote in .net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:30 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. That's funny, I could have sworn my name is the same as to whom you replied above (or don't you know how to count the little arrows at the begging of each quoted line?). Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? I already have. Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? What the crap are you talking about? I've NEVER seen a DD-214 from you or anyone else on this newsgroup. You must be thinking of the library where you rant with the young boys. Dan/W4NTI =plonk= ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message .. . LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? What the crap are you talking about? I've NEVER seen a DD-214 from you or anyone else on this newsgroup. Dan, you poor soul, have you got eyesight disability from 30 years ago too? Frank POSTED the exact website address where he stored those scans. I downloaded them almost immediately with no difficulty...although one scan was a bit long for a dial-up connection. I even asked Frank what a "TT" was (one of the scans) and he explained it in public. No problem. Do you need copies of those sent direct to you in e-mail attachments? Let me know and I'll send you them. You must be thinking of the library where you rant with the young boys. Dan, have you been hitting the sauce lately? You seem to considering your foul and abusive tag-line commentary of late. You want MY DD-214 scan too? I can do that if you insist. :-) Funny thing, but we've NEVER seen your DD-214. Nothing, NADA. All we have is your "word" that you were ever in a "command track" near the Fulda Gap. We have exactly ZERO proof that Dudly ever did his military thing. =20 Maybe you are another Dudly? =20 |
wrote in message ups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring |
"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Sorta like you are getting to be A-O-F. Dan/W4NTI |
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message ups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring Sorta like you are getting to be A-O-F. Dan/W4NTI |
an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message groups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
From: Michael Coslo on Sep 16, 9:44 am
an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. Poor baby. "Sore loser-ism" displayed for all to see. :-) The whines have been pressed from grapes of morsemen's wrath! I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. "Non sequitur." [from the Latin] Tsk, tsk, tsk. Coslo wishes to be "correct" in any discussion or argument? Not possible in an OPEN forum when his discussions and arguments are NOT winning/correct/valid or on the subject of amateur radio. Note: There exist OTHER forums for discussion of religion and general moral-ethical behavior. Those do not involve amateur radio per se, though, so it is best NOT to whine and carry on about losing discussions and arguments by spouting "you hate hams!" Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. Incorrect. By so stating an incorrect falsehood, you create, in effect, a mild sort of character assassination which is not at all civil or mannerly. If you cannot stand to have your statements rebutted, talked against, or shown to be invalid or incorrect, then you have NO validity in engaging in uncivil character assassination by hurling falsehoods or even personal insults. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. This newsgroup was NOT created to "like Michael Coslo" or to discuss various forms of comestible fish or meat. If you cannot stand the heat of debate or strong discussion, this newsgroup is NOT for you. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. Yet you engage in uncivil character assassination, being the hypocrite to your statement of saying "no point to it." Obviously you HAVE a "point." That is to personally insult those who disagree with you, such as saying "I hate hams!" I do not. Disagreement with you or anyone else on amateur radio policy is NOT "hating hams." Disagreement with certain policies expressed by the ARRL is NOT "hating hams." You seem to forget (conveniently) that I've been IN radio and electronics for a long time, first as a hobbyist, then as a radio operator and maintainer in the United States military. That military experience was enlightening and interesting enough to me to change my working career goal from industrial illustration to electronics engineering. That became my career and I've retired from regular hours at that. Radio and electronics hobby interests continue with me still, begun in 1947 and still with me 58 years later. Not having as much exposure to other forms of radio communication, certainly not for as long as I, you consider "radio" as being ONLY that which you are familiar with: Amateur radio, CB, cellular telephony. RADIO is far larger than that. Amateur radio is a small subset of the larger world of ALL radio communication. Radio amateurs can benefit by learning more about other forms of radio communication since all the physical principles are the same. You get bogged down on expressing your views almost entirely from the standards and practices of amateur radio as you know it. That is short-sighted and detrimental to overall policy - the adminstrative regulations imposed by authority of government law. At present, in terms of amateur radio policy, there is only ONE MAJOR topic before the Federal Communications Commission: NPRM 05-143 on the elimination or retention of the morse code test. Elimination of the morse code test threatens the traditional, mind-conditioned "soul" of many radio amateurs. Elimination of the code test will prove to be of much larger impact on the future of United States amateur radio than did the "restructuring" of mid-2000. That impact will be far longer than dozens of future hurricane disasters, far more reaching than some creation of "classes" of licenses that give status and prestige to certain radio amateurs. It spells "the end of ham radio" to some who are unable to change, unable to accept anything but their own comfortable fantasy of the "amateur community." That traditionalists refuse to recognize change is not my problem, not a requirement that I toady to those self-professed "experts of radio" by giving gratuitous praise on their mighty self- stated accomplishments. CHANGE has happened to ALL OTHER radio services. No God has divined that amateur radio refuse to change nor has the Divine Being blessed all those of "higher" classes wisdom and judgement because they've met older artificial standards imposed by older amateurs. In my career work I've seen tremendous change in as many forms of electronics and radio as I've been fortunate to experience (a great deal many). Nowhere have I experienced as hidebound and stubborn refusal of so many to accept change in amateur radio...and to blatantly insult the person of those seeking change, seeking modernization. Some in amateur radio seem to be the living embodiment of ultra-uber- conservatism. For an avocational activity that is NOT vital to the nation. Amateur radio is basically a hobby, a personal activity involving radio, a fun recreation but one that requires federal regulation due to the physical nature of electromagnetic radiation. If you think that amateur radio is "more" than that, you are mistaken and are living in an idealized but fantasy concept of an avocational pursuit. Not my problem. It is yours. It is Jeswald's. It is all those who think they "own" amateur radio as it is now. |
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
See what we mean? He just can't stay on subject. Always brings in Morse code "Morsemen", same same all the time. Then he gets into his "Military career". Predictable as a Sun set. Right, so what is the point, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: See what we mean? He just can't stay on subject. Always brings in Morse code "Morsemen", same same all the time. Then he gets into his "Military career". Predictable as a Sun set. Right, so what is the point, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - I can't think of a one actually Mike. Dan/W4NTI |
From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 16, 4:47 pm
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: See what we mean? He just can't stay on subject. Always brings in Morse code "Morsemen", same same all the time. Then he gets into his "Military career". Predictable as a Sun set. Right, so what is the point, eh? I can't think of a one actually Mike. Little pointy heads aren't good for thinking. |
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ups.com: From: Michael Coslo on Sep 16, 9:44 am an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. Poor baby. "Sore loser-ism" displayed for all to see. :-) The whines have been pressed from grapes of morsemen's wrath! I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. "Non sequitur." [from the Latin] Tsk, tsk, tsk. Coslo wishes to be "correct" in any discussion or argument? Not possible in an OPEN forum when his discussions and arguments are NOT winning/correct/valid or on the subject of amateur radio. Note: There exist OTHER forums for discussion of religion and general moral-ethical behavior. Those do not involve amateur radio per se, though, so it is best NOT to whine and carry on about losing discussions and arguments by spouting "you hate hams!" Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. Incorrect. By so stating an incorrect falsehood, you create, in effect, a mild sort of character assassination which is not at all civil or mannerly. If you cannot stand to have your statements rebutted, talked against, or shown to be invalid or incorrect, then you have NO validity in engaging in uncivil character assassination by hurling falsehoods or even personal insults. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. This newsgroup was NOT created to "like Michael Coslo" or to discuss various forms of comestible fish or meat. If you cannot stand the heat of debate or strong discussion, this newsgroup is NOT for you. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. Yet you engage in uncivil character assassination, being the hypocrite to your statement of saying "no point to it." Obviously you HAVE a "point." That is to personally insult those who disagree with you, such as saying "I hate hams!" I do not. Disagreement with you or anyone else on amateur radio policy is NOT "hating hams." Disagreement with certain policies expressed by the ARRL is NOT "hating hams." You seem to forget (conveniently) that I've been IN radio and electronics for a long time, first as a hobbyist, then as a radio operator and maintainer in the United States military. That military experience was enlightening and interesting enough to me to change my working career goal from industrial illustration to electronics engineering. That became my career and I've retired from regular hours at that. Radio and electronics hobby interests continue with me still, begun in 1947 and still with me 58 years later. Not having as much exposure to other forms of radio communication, certainly not for as long as I, you consider "radio" as being ONLY that which you are familiar with: Amateur radio, CB, cellular telephony. RADIO is far larger than that. Amateur radio is a small subset of the larger world of ALL radio communication. Radio amateurs can benefit by learning more about other forms of radio communication since all the physical principles are the same. You get bogged down on expressing your views almost entirely from the standards and practices of amateur radio as you know it. That is short-sighted and detrimental to overall policy - the adminstrative regulations imposed by authority of government law. At present, in terms of amateur radio policy, there is only ONE MAJOR topic before the Federal Communications Commission: NPRM 05-143 on the elimination or retention of the morse code test. Elimination of the morse code test threatens the traditional, mind-conditioned "soul" of many radio amateurs. Elimination of the code test will prove to be of much larger impact on the future of United States amateur radio than did the "restructuring" of mid-2000. That impact will be far longer than dozens of future hurricane disasters, far more reaching than some creation of "classes" of licenses that give status and prestige to certain radio amateurs. It spells "the end of ham radio" to some who are unable to change, unable to accept anything but their own comfortable fantasy of the "amateur community." That traditionalists refuse to recognize change is not my problem, not a requirement that I toady to those self-professed "experts of radio" by giving gratuitous praise on their mighty self- stated accomplishments. CHANGE has happened to ALL OTHER radio services. No God has divined that amateur radio refuse to change nor has the Divine Being blessed all those of "higher" classes wisdom and judgement because they've met older artificial standards imposed by older amateurs. In my career work I've seen tremendous change in as many forms of electronics and radio as I've been fortunate to experience (a great deal many). Nowhere have I experienced as hidebound and stubborn refusal of so many to accept change in amateur radio...and to blatantly insult the person of those seeking change, seeking modernization. Some in amateur radio seem to be the living embodiment of ultra-uber- conservatism. For an avocational activity that is NOT vital to the nation. Amateur radio is basically a hobby, a personal activity involving radio, a fun recreation but one that requires federal regulation due to the physical nature of electromagnetic radiation. If you think that amateur radio is "more" than that, you are mistaken and are living in an idealized but fantasy concept of an avocational pursuit. Not my problem. It is yours. It is Jeswald's. It is all those who think they "own" amateur radio as it is now. I'll admit that Len can be irritating at times, but this accusation that he hates radio hams is nonsensical. I've never seen any evidence of that. I also agree with his post that dropping the Morse test is THE big issue, more important than any restructuring, etc. I have taught ham radio classes, and IME the biggest factor in whether people succeed in the theory tests is whether they are genuinely interested in radio. If they just want to chat and aren't into radio as a medium, there's always CB. OTOH, it's absolutely possible to be totally radio obsessed and yet not give a fig for Sam Morse and his silly old bleeping noises. This is why it's a big issue. If CW had been on the ITU agenda back in '93, which it was supposed to be, s25 would have been amended back then, and we could have seen an explosion in our numbers before the Internet really caught on. As it is, ham radio is as old as yesterday's newspaper. In short, it's probably too late to get a major boost in numbers, even if we gave the licences away, which abolishing the code test certainly doesn't do (and no, I'm not proposing we make the theory easier). |
Michael Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message groups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message egroups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. What point? that people should be censored? All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. realy I don't see that. Len does certainly get rather verbose, sometimes to point of undermining his his point but that is also the hallamrk Jim, N2EY Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. No Len doesn't hate hams, he does hate that fairly visible segment of the ham world that is very inflexible and frankly are dishonest to themselves, and then to the rest of us So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:30:30 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:37:59 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in .net: Frank Gilliland wrote: Then, when it's all over, we'll all look back and see who really deserves recognition for their contribution. And it won't be you, Dan. Don't give a rip. If I wanted some kind of a "reward" I would be a politician. I'm a worker bee, and a trained and experienced one at that. You are also a braggart. How bout you? What training and Experience do you bring to ECOM? More than you. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120, 000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- First place I'm not talking to you. That's funny, I could have sworn my name is the same as to whom you replied above (or don't you know how to count the little arrows at the begging of each quoted line?). Second place....if you have so much training....when do you plan to use it? I already have. Now I'm talking to you....Mr. Un-identified poster. LOL!!! So my DD-214 wasn't enough..... you want I should scan my driver's license, too? What the crap are you talking about? I've NEVER seen a DD-214 from you or anyone else on this newsgroup. You must be thinking of the library where you rant with the young boys. Dan/W4NTI Which library danny? Me and your butty Commander Cornhole are so there! _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
" wrote in ups.com: From: Michael Coslo on Sep 16, 9:44 am an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. Poor baby. "Sore loser-ism" displayed for all to see. :-) The whines have been pressed from grapes of morsemen's wrath! I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. "Non sequitur." [from the Latin] Tsk, tsk, tsk. Coslo wishes to be "correct" in any discussion or argument? Not possible in an OPEN forum when his discussions and arguments are NOT winning/correct/valid or on the subject of amateur radio. Note: There exist OTHER forums for discussion of religion and general moral-ethical behavior. Those do not involve amateur radio per se, though, so it is best NOT to whine and carry on about losing discussions and arguments by spouting "you hate hams!" Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. Incorrect. By so stating an incorrect falsehood, you create, in effect, a mild sort of character assassination which is not at all civil or mannerly. If you cannot stand to have your statements rebutted, talked against, or shown to be invalid or incorrect, then you have NO validity in engaging in uncivil character assassination by hurling falsehoods or even personal insults. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. This newsgroup was NOT created to "like Michael Coslo" or to discuss various forms of comestible fish or meat. If you cannot stand the heat of debate or strong discussion, this newsgroup is NOT for you. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. Yet you engage in uncivil character assassination, being the hypocrite to your statement of saying "no point to it." Obviously you HAVE a "point." That is to personally insult those who disagree with you, such as saying "I hate hams!" I do not. Disagreement with you or anyone else on amateur radio policy is NOT "hating hams." Disagreement with certain policies expressed by the ARRL is NOT "hating hams." You seem to forget (conveniently) that I've been IN radio and electronics for a long time, first as a hobbyist, then as a radio operator and maintainer in the United States military. That military experience was enlightening and interesting enough to me to change my working career goal from industrial illustration to electronics engineering. That became my career and I've retired from regular hours at that. Radio and electronics hobby interests continue with me still, begun in 1947 and still with me 58 years later. Not having as much exposure to other forms of radio communication, certainly not for as long as I, you consider "radio" as being ONLY that which you are familiar with: Amateur radio, CB, cellular telephony. RADIO is far larger than that. Amateur radio is a small subset of the larger world of ALL radio communication. Radio amateurs can benefit by learning more about other forms of radio communication since all the physical principles are the same. You get bogged down on expressing your views almost entirely from the standards and practices of amateur radio as you know it. That is short-sighted and detrimental to overall policy - the adminstrative regulations imposed by authority of government law. At present, in terms of amateur radio policy, there is only ONE MAJOR topic before the Federal Communications Commission: NPRM 05-143 on the elimination or retention of the morse code test. Elimination of the morse code test threatens the traditional, mind-conditioned "soul" of many radio amateurs. Elimination of the code test will prove to be of much larger impact on the future of United States amateur radio than did the "restructuring" of mid-2000. That impact will be far longer than dozens of future hurricane disasters, far more reaching than some creation of "classes" of licenses that give status and prestige to certain radio amateurs. It spells "the end of ham radio" to some who are unable to change, unable to accept anything but their own comfortable fantasy of the "amateur community." That traditionalists refuse to recognize change is not my problem, not a requirement that I toady to those self-professed "experts of radio" by giving gratuitous praise on their mighty self- stated accomplishments. CHANGE has happened to ALL OTHER radio services. No God has divined that amateur radio refuse to change nor has the Divine Being blessed all those of "higher" classes wisdom and judgement because they've met older artificial standards imposed by older amateurs. In my career work I've seen tremendous change in as many forms of electronics and radio as I've been fortunate to experience (a great deal many). Nowhere have I experienced as hidebound and stubborn refusal of so many to accept change in amateur radio...and to blatantly insult the person of those seeking change, seeking modernization. Some in amateur radio seem to be the living embodiment of ultra-uber- conservatism. For an avocational activity that is NOT vital to the nation. Amateur radio is basically a hobby, a personal activity involving radio, a fun recreation but one that requires federal regulation due to the physical nature of electromagnetic radiation. If you think that amateur radio is "more" than that, you are mistaken and are living in an idealized but fantasy concept of an avocational pursuit. Not my problem. It is yours. It is Jeswald's. It is all those who think they "own" amateur radio as it is now. I'll admit that Len can be irritating at times, but this accusation that he hates radio hams is nonsensical. I've never seen any evidence of that. Your opinion. I have read enough of his posts to come to a different conclusion. I also agree with his post that dropping the Morse test is THE big issue, more important than any restructuring, etc. So What? Does every post have to be about Morse code testing? If I make a post about something else, and he turns it to Morse code testing, does that mean I am *required* to reply? So far, he has called me a "poor baby", a "sore loser", and as having a drinking problem. He accuses me of character assassination and more than I care to look up at this time. And if I care to point it out, I am guaranteed another poor baby thing. He calls many people Nazis, or other derisive terms. All because they have the unmitigated gall to disagree with him. What exactly have I done to him? He is here having his brand of good time. I am here having my brand of fun. They are apparently rather exclusive. Do you approve of such activity Alun? Is that a good way to act? Even if Mr Anderson is 100 percent correct, Is that an excuse for his "style". And you can tell him that I do like good strong discussion and debate. It has to be good though. Tell me Alun, how long do you think his "style" of discussion would stand up in a real debate? - Mike KB3EIA - |
an_old_friend wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message legroups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message glegroups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. What point? that people should be censored? Censored? Who said that? My point is that I don't have to reply. I really don't. He can post all he wants, and I read it, and reply or not as is my wish. Do you think I have to reply to him, Mark? Is my ignoring the vast majority of his postings some sort of censorship? All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. realy I don't see that. Len does certainly get rather verbose, sometimes to point of undermining his his point but that is also the hallamrk Jim, N2EY Better go back and read them posts, Mark. Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. No Len doesn't hate hams, he does hate that fairly visible segment of the ham world that is very inflexible and frankly are dishonest to themselves, and then to the rest of us Your opinion, Mark. My opinion is otherwise. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. No point at all. |
Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Michael Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message legroups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message glegroups.com... From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm More BS from the non ham Lennie the loser. plonk Dan/W4NTI Per SOP ignore any data insult any oposition Boring Dan realy getting boring As usual A-O-F you got it wrong. My problem with Lennie is he simply can't stay on subject. Spins everything that is said. And his one track mind of anti-CW and basically anti-ham rhetoric gets tired quickly. So I have decided to plonk him. He is not relevant to a serious discussion in this group, since he is not a member of the society. Dig it? Aagin SoP ranting form you, anyone different knows nothing of value Boring Dan Boring He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. What point? that people should be censored? Censored? Who said that? Dan All dan posts in reply is demands for credentcail and that anyone without credentcails he apporoves should not post My point is that I don't have to reply. I really don't. He can post all he wants, and I read it, and reply or not as is my wish. Do you think I have to reply to him, Mark? Is my ignoring the vast majority of his postings some sort of censorship?never said anything of the sort All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. realy I don't see that. Len does certainly get rather verbose, sometimes to point of undermining his his point but that is also the hallamrk Jim, N2EY Better go back and read them posts, Mark. I have read em Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. No Len doesn't hate hams, he does hate that fairly visible segment of the ham world that is very inflexible and frankly are dishonest to themselves, and then to the rest of us Your opinion, Mark. My opinion is otherwise. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. No point at all. |
From: an_old_friend on Sep 17, 8:38 am
Michael Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm He has a point, Mark. There are people in this group who I don't regularly post to. There is a fringe element that seems to be really concerned with each others sexual habits, there is a group of Ham-baiters, and there are those who simply hate Amateurs. What point? that people should be censored? Coslo wants a cozy little chatroom with all in general agreement with him. As he's written before, he wants to be entertained. When he can't come up with valid replies on the SUBJECT, he resorts to personal insults such as "ham hating." Tsk, tsk. Coslo falls into too much self-identification of himself as "ham radio." Be opposed to Coslo's opinion and (in his view) one is "hating ham radio." The same with Jeswald, Heil, and Miccolis. All my exchanges with him have become drearily predictable and not very interesting, at least to me. I don't need the non-sequitars, the name calling, or the constant attempts to steer most every thread to CW testing. realy I don't see that. Len does certainly get rather verbose, sometimes to point of undermining his his point but that is also the hallamrk Jim, N2EY Consider what I write in here as a "first draft." It isn't polished to someone's perfection but then I'm NOT getting paid anything to post. It isn't worth my time to sit and rewrite to publishing standards, not to my wallet, not to my ego. It is, in effect, flow-of-consciousness CONVERSATION with unseen beings somehwere in netland. :-) Mr. Anderson simply hates Hams. That is okay, no one has to like Hams, me, or chunk light tuna. No Len doesn't hate hams, he does hate that fairly visible segment of the ham world that is very inflexible and frankly are dishonest to themselves, and then to the rest of us I don't hate hams and I rather like tuna/albacore, but only if packed in water, not oil. :-) Coslo got ****ed off again and used an old, old computer-modem ploy of winning message points by repeating untruths of his opponents...instead of concentrating on the SUBJECT under discussion. That ploy is sometimes effective to "win friends" (to his viewpoint) but is just egregious. It is well-known to those of us having done computer-modem communications a long time. So I seldom bother to reply. No point to it. Coslo expects cheers, applause, and respect because he exists? Things don't work out that way on contentious, highly-polarized subject discussions. One has to be TOUGH to take some of the personal insults tossed out by others. [I've survived 21 years of that] It's very, very easy to toss those egregious personal insults right back at them. I could send a series of postings that have nothing else but "COSLO *HATES* NO-CODERS" in them. That's quick, easy. Some of the Coders in here would cheer and applaud, thanking me for my "insight." :-) But, that wastes time and memory space on servers, and is petty, so I won't do it. :-) It's okay for Coslo to say I "hate ham radio." Or Jeswald. Or Heil. Or Miccolis. Or Robeson. They've already done that. I know, and others know, it isn't true. But, They are ham radio so any disagreement with them is taken as a "mass insult" on hundreds of thousands of hams! To paraphrase Percy Bysshe Shelley: "Look upon his words, ye mighty, and despair!"* * From the poem "Ozymandias" but title could be paraphrased as "Ozy-ham-dias," king of kings. :-) |
From: Alun L. Palmer on Sep 17, 8:07 am
" wrote in From: Michael Coslo on Sep 16, 9:44 am an_old_friend wrote: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message Dan/W4NTI wrote: wrote in message From: Dan/W4NTI on Sep 13, 1:25 pm I'll admit that Len can be irritating at times, but this accusation that he hates radio hams is nonsensical. I've never seen any evidence of that. Alun, all those character-assassination statements of "hating hams" are just that, character-assassination attempts. Morsemanship - as a "requirement" for amateur radio licensing has evolved to a high fantasy art, typified by the pseudo- arithmetic of: HamRadio = MorseCode. Put another way: "ARS" = Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Those radio amateurs who fancy themselves good at radiotelegraphy are incensed at such comparisons. They wish the ARS to be in Their Image. [it's as simple as that] Hence the character assassination attempts when they are challenged. I also agree with his post that dropping the Morse test is THE big issue, more important than any restructuring, etc. I have taught ham radio classes, and IME the biggest factor in whether people succeed in the theory tests is whether they are genuinely interested in radio. If they just want to chat and aren't into radio as a medium, there's always CB. OTOH, it's absolutely possible to be totally radio obsessed and yet not give a fig for Sam Morse and his silly old bleeping noises. This is why it's a big issue. Some radio amateurs who are NOT in the radio-electronics industry keep insisting that "amateur radio was their first stepping-stone into a radio-electronics working career." That's quite untrue. All of electronics (radio is a subset within that) is fascinating in and of itself to those who chose to work within it. For the vast majority of workers IN the electronics-radio industry, they did NOT "begin" as licensed radio amateurs. Hams who are IN the industry try to say contrary but they are just speaking of themselves, failing to look around at all the others around them who did not "get ham licenses first." Some of the incensed have already replied with "case histories" from their own work, naming callsigns, hollering "see?! see?!" That's a very restrictive "example" since they've not gone beyond a very small bound of their own experience. The IEEE world membership exceeds a quarter million and non-IEEE workers are in the millions worldwide. Articles in the trade press (over a dozen free-subscription monthlies) do not mention morse code as having any significance. If morse code is mentioned at all it is in a historical context or as a bit of wry humor. What too many United States radio amateurs are stuck with is a kind of conditioned thinking (i.e., "brainwashing") by a singular publishing house cum membership organization that over-emphasizes morse code and morsemanship as positive attributes for a hobby. The League has lobbied for, and gotten, high-rate morsemanship as a prerequisite for "advanced" (status/rank/privilege) class licensing...and just never gave up on that until after WRC-03. The League's core membership and BoD are still of that generation and are stuck in their ways. They can't change. As Cecil Moore used to write in here, "If all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." :-) If CW had been on the ITU agenda back in '93, which it was supposed to be, s25 would have been amended back then, and we could have seen an explosion in our numbers before the Internet really caught on. As it is, ham radio is as old as yesterday's newspaper. In short, it's probably too late to get a major boost in numbers, even if we gave the licences away, which abolishing the code test certainly doesn't do (and no, I'm not proposing we make the theory easier). Astute observation. I agree with most of that. I will disagree only with the "what if" of 1993 and any possibility of S25 being changed in any radical way. The IARU had not yet been turned around on their collective code test opinion, their member organizations still fixated on standards and practices of their leaders' youth and formative years. However, the no-code-test movement had already been started a decade before that, albeit small, ineffectual in the beginning but growing in intensity as time went on. Judging by all the past reports of WARCs and WRCs, the IARU was more influential with the ITU than what the ARRL pretended to be. The IARU was also embroiled in a number of problems such as the 40m amateur v. SWBC allocations that was SUPPOSED to have been addressed at WARC-79. It was put off...and put off...until finally, after 24 years it achieved a solution at WRC-03...which won't be fully implemented until a few years from now. In the United States the ARRL still hasn't fully understood that the 1991 opening up of the no-code-test Technician class license added over 200 thousand NEW radio amateurs to the amateur database. If that had not happened, the United States hams would have SHRUNK in overall numbers in today's database...even though the overall population is continuing to increase. As it is, the number of amateur licensees here have been virtually stagnant for over two years, NOT growing and decreasing a miniscule amount since the 2003 peak period. The trend is THERE. The licensees keeping the numbers up are the newcomers arriving via the no- code-test Tech class. Unrenewed license attrition is greater. The enormous worldwide growth of the Internet and availability of personal computers has stolen MUCH of the "magic" out of the "shortwave radio" mystique. That can't be regained by insisting on the alleged "necessity" to learn and test for radio- telegraphy...for a hobby. Morse code won't defeat terrorists or save lives or be the First Responder on the scene of disasters. Radio - by itself - still has tremendous fascination to many. It may be that elimination of the code test will produce some increase. Certainly, judging from Comments of WT Docket 05-235, there will be a surge of "upgraders" to "higher" classes. That does little to the overall license totals. The PC and Internet is the Great Challenge to amateur radio for 24/7 personal communications...almost gargantuan competition, already dwarfing other competitors. The number of Comments on Docket 05-235, after only two months, are GREATER than the total number of Comments on "restructuring" (WT Docket 98-143) for all of 1998! Most filings on 05-235 are done electronically. Over on www.qrz.com, the electronic comments on code testing are greater than four times the filings on 05-235 (I stopped reading them a couple weeks ago...too many). We are IN the electronic digital age NOW. I'll go out on a limb and say that, should code testing be abolished for amateur radio, the license totals might jump to 20% more than current numbers and then level off. Assumption only, more of a guess than anything. The sky will fall on the old amateur morsemen, the "world as they know it" will be a total disaster zone with bitter, angry recriminations abounding. They will ignore all the years, the decades of themselves parading proudly as Champions of Radio and sneering, snarling at no-coders. |
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