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October 11th 05, 09:36 PM

wrote:
an old friend wrote:
wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote

They valued warfare higher.

As someone who has "been there, done that" I can assure you that no=
body values
warfare except arms vendors.

Warfare is perceived (rightly or wrongly) as a method to OBTAIN som=
e thing or
some result of value.

Well said!

JFK needed something that looked good to
counter his critics about the Bay of Pigs and
the Cuban missile crisis.

"Been there, done that, got the medals both times". The only criti=
cs of the
results of the "Cuban missile crisis" wore poorly fitting suits and=
drank lots
of vodka.

Not the results but that the whole thing happened in the first place.

IIRC, the Soviets were ticked off about the placement of Jupiter-C
IRBMs in Turkey. Of course Turkey was and is a NATO country. Moscow's
objection to the IRBMs was that they could hit targets inside the
Soviet Union in minutes, and were virtually impossible to stop,
compared to conventional bombers. They demanded that the IRBMs be
removed, and of course NATO refused - even though the Jupiters were
becoming outdated by ICBMs and submarine-launched missiles.

So the Soviets retaliated by trying to install similar IRBMs in Cuba.
Fortunately the preparations were discovered and their plans thwarted.

But what was kept rather quiet is that some months after the Soviets
backed down from installing their missiles in Cuba, the Jupiters were
quietly removed from Turkey.

bull**** Jim

Which part of what I wrote is not true, Mark?

that the Jupiter links with the cuban misle cris were unknown at the
time

the NY Times and Washington post had stories out within day of their
withdraw

it was comon knowledge with a few years

Perhaps you mean my reference to the Jupiter-Cs as "IRBMs"
(Intermediate-Range-Ballistic-Missiles) which are elsewhere called
"MRBMs" (Medium-Range-Ballistic-Missiles).

every movie or account of those days mentions it

Even if true, so what?

that these account all list the withdraw

Those movies and accounts were done long after the crisis. What I wrote
is true: some months after the Soviets backed down from installing
their missiles in Cuba, the Jupiters were quietly removed from Turkey.

the last is the falsehood the jupiters simply were not front page news

That they were scheduled to be removed, were obsolete, and were already
replaced by more-effective submarine-launched missiles and ICBMs is
inconsequential. The point is that the Soviets backed down publicly and
visibly, while *at the time*, the removal of the missiles in Turkey was
kept quiet until long after it was an accomplished fact.

deabtable the meaning of "long" by my count it was matter of few
months. I call that short, indeed id say it was kept queist a shorter
than most folks who do learn morse Code take to learn it

but in any event that was part of the deal the jupiter withdraw was
mostly to help K setle matter matter with the politboro, not the public

and that the Jupiters were obsolete and scheduled for withdraw

and the Kendy had ordered their withdraw several time

cut the waste of BW

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