"Mike Coslo" wrote


If we were to claim that electromagnetics were so complex that it was not
possible for them to exist unless God made them that way - now that would be a
belief system.


No, that would be superstition. (Is superstition a belief system, or is it
simply uneducated stupidity?)

Of all the thousands of gods out there to believe in, I believe in only one less
than Brain does.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Most Reverend Minister of the Codes of Z and Q

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote


If we were to claim that electromagnetics were so complex that it was not
possible for them to exist unless God made them that way - now that would be a
belief system.



No, that would be superstition.

Religion *is* superstition IMO Hans. So I kinda don't disagree with you.

(Is superstition a belief system, or is it
simply uneducated stupidity?)

Yes.

Of all the thousands of gods out there to believe in, I believe in only one less
than Brain does.

- Sounds efficient to me.

- Mike KB3EIA -

And Jesus was *still* a very cool dude.

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote

If we were to claim that electromagnetics were so complex that it was not
possible for them to exist unless God made them that way - now that would be a
belief system.

No, that would be superstition. (Is superstition a belief system, or is it
simply uneducated stupidity?)

Of all the thousands of gods out there to believe in, I believe in only one less
than Brain does.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB
--
Most Reverend Minister of the Codes of Z and Q

I merely question your, Jim's, and Mike's exuberance in questioning
others faith in God. Why do it?

wrote

I merely question your, Jim's, and Mike's exuberance
in questioning others faith in God. Why do it?

I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Beep beep
de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
wrote


I merely question your, Jim's, and Mike's exuberance
in questioning others faith in God. Why do it?


I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
KØHB wrote:
wrote


I merely question your, Jim's, and Mike's exuberance
in questioning others faith in God. Why do it?


I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.

- Mike KB3EIA -

If you only knew.

Mike Coslo wrote:
KØHB wrote:

I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.

Exactly, Mike. What gets some folks particularly up-in-arms is when
someone points out the obvious contradictions in their religious
beliefs.

For example, it's interesting to note the reactions of those who insist
that every word of the Bible is literally true when you point out that
the two creation stories in Genesis contradict each other. Or that
Christ's message of nonviolence is largely ignored by modern
'Christians'...

Or what if someone's religion requires that they question and analyze
religious belief systems? And that contradictions be pointed out?

The problem that quite a few of us have with 'intelligent design' (aka
"creationism in a cheap tuxedo") is that it is an attempt by certain
people to have their *religious* beliefs not only taught in public
schools, but taught as *science*, not religion.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

KØHB wrote:


I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.


Exactly, Mike. What gets some folks particularly up-in-arms is when
someone points out the obvious contradictions in their religious
beliefs.

Seems to be the same folk that believe that depriving others of their
rights is one of *their* rights.


For example, it's interesting to note the reactions of those who insist
that every word of the Bible is literally true when you point out that
the two creation stories in Genesis contradict each other. Or that
Christ's message of nonviolence is largely ignored by modern
'Christians'...

That is because they are "religious" but they aren't strictly Christians.

Or what if someone's religion requires that they question and analyze
religious belief systems? And that contradictions be pointed out?

A religion of heretics? Sounds like a Frank Herbert type of thing.

The problem that quite a few of us have with 'intelligent design' (aka
"creationism in a cheap tuxedo") is that it is an attempt by certain
people to have their *religious* beliefs not only taught in public
schools, but taught as *science*, not religion.


Do you want to know the big problem IMO? This "intelligent design"
thing is promoted by some religious groups as an alternative "scientific
approach. It is in all their arguments, it is how they promote the concept.

But that isn't why they want it there. They want it there because they
want to put in what they believe, ie the 6 day creation thing in 4004
b.c. No world that always existed, no world created by any other god, no
world on a turtle, with turtles all the way down.

Lying for God.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Michael Coslo wrote:
wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

KØHB wrote:


I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoyit, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.


Exactly, Mike. What gets some folks particularly up-in-arms is when
someone points out the obvious contradictions in their religious
beliefs.

Seems to be the same folk that believe that depriving others of their
rights is one of *their* rights.

Yep. Such as the fundamentalist who staps on some dynamite and
deprives others of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
KØHB wrote:

I don't question your faith. I'm sure it's genuine to you. Enjoy it, take
comfort in it, and may it be a blessing to you.

Perhaps it is a faith that cannot accept questioning? Some are like that.

Exactly, Mike. What gets some folks particularly up-in-arms is when
someone points out the obvious contradictions in their religious
beliefs.

For example, it's interesting to note the reactions of those who insist
that every word of the Bible is literally true when you point out that
the two creation stories in Genesis contradict each other. Or that
Christ's message of nonviolence is largely ignored by modern
'Christians'...

Or what if someone's religion requires that they question and analyze
religious belief systems? And that contradictions be pointed out?

The problem that quite a few of us have with 'intelligent design' (aka
"creationism in a cheap tuxedo") is that it is an attempt by certain
people to have their *religious* beliefs not only taught in public
schools, but taught as *science*, not religion.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I think it's obvious that Jim absolutely despises fundies. But only
Christian fundies. Where never is heard a discouraging word about
fundy Jews or Moslems.