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Old October 27th 05, 05:12 AM
 
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From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am

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From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
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Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM. :-)


The thread is about your "scorecard", Len.


No, it is about A score card, specifically on WT Docket 05-235,
done to provide some insight on the Comments made and the
prevailing opinions of OTHERS out there, as much up to date as
possible for anyone else interested in NPRM 05-143.

The first thread was begun by me on 2 August, 2005, intended as
a quick-look compilation of filings that had begun on 20 July by
individuals. The second thread was begun by me on 2 August 2005,
specifically to show both the original Docket opening filings and
those filed after the Notice in the Federal Register. The third
thread (this one) was begun on 17 October due to all the
gabbling and squabbling about charges of "inaccuracy" by all
those who didn't bother to do their own compilation. shrug

To almost the end of 26 October 2005, there have been 3,055
filings on WT Docket 05-235. Has Miccolis READ them? ALL
of them? I have. I have appended two listings of filings
with my Replies to Comments done at the date those Replies
were filed. Miccolis FAILED to note that had been done; ergo,
Miccolis has READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.

Brian Burke has filed on WT Docket 05-235, even Dan Jeswald,
Bill Sohl, and a few others. James P. Miccolis has NOT filed
ANYTHING on WT Docket 05-235 as of 7 PM EDT on 26 October 2005.

Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.


But NOT necessary. I include Notes with each posting of the
"score card" which explain the categorization. Those are
comprehensive to those who bother to READ things.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?


The OPINION expressed in EACH Comment or Reply to Comments
is EVIDENT in their CONTENT. That is self-evident (to
those who are not busy with misdirection of asking stupid
little questions designed to annoy the score-keeper).

James P. Miccolis has NOT posted ANYTHING similar to what
I have done...yet wishes to be some kind of "judge" on
what should be and what should not be. Tsk, tsk.



Your mistakes are well documented. Such as the legality of
amateur operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses.


THIS thread is about NPRM 05-143 and the filings in WT
Docket 05-235. If there are "mistakes" in the tabulations,
those can be found by ANYONE who bothers to READ the filings.

So far, the ONLY "mistake" was a juxtaposition of two note
numbers in the new form of the second thread begun on the
first of September. That was pointed out by Bill Sohl in
public, I acknowledged that and correct the juxtaposition.

Neither NPRM 05-143 nor WT Docket 05-235 concern themselves
with any "operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-
period." :-)


Gosh, Len, so you *can* call me by my name!


Your name is James P. Miccolis. You haven't filed anything
in the FCC ECFS since 23 August 2004. It is NOT "Jim."


US citizenship is not a requirement for getting an FCC
amateur radio license. Passing the required tests *is* a
requirement.


NPRM 05-143 is a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking by the FCC.
Any Report and Order issued as a RESULT of Comments then
becomes LAW in the form of an FCC Regulation of U.S. civil
radio. Do you understand that, or must it be explained in
voluminous detail to you?

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class? The First Amendment
of the United States Constitution guarantees CITIZENS the
right to make comments to their government. United States
citizens...NOT citizens of OTHER countries.

Neither is there an age requirement to comment.


Given the childish behavior of some, especially those spiteful
ones attempting to misdirect a thread showing the day-by-day
change in the filings of WT Docket 05-235, perhaps there
should be. Even more so when those spiteful children have
great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in the
"amateur community."

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....


There is a minimum age to serve in the United States military.
I have NO difficulty with that. I HAVE served. Has James P.
Miccolis served his country in that country's military? No, he
has not. Miccolis perceives "problems" on such minimum age
limits, yet has NOT served.

The state of California has a minimum age limit on many things,
drivers licenses for one. I have no problem with those. Miccolis
perceives I have "problems" there? I have not.

There are hundreds of local communities which have very definite
AGE LIMITS in their ordinances and codifications of law, all with
definite moral and ethical purposes to those. I have no "problem"
with them. Miccolis perceives "problems" where none exist.

Miccolis wishes to drag up SEVEN-YEAR-OLD Comments on WT Docket
98-143...which are NOT a part of NPRM 05-143. Why? The only
possible reason is his personal spite and the attempt to mis-
direct this thread into the usual Flame War squabbling.


A comment is not a vote. An NPRM is not an election. FCC doesn't have
to act on what the majority of comments want.


Had Miccolis done HIS OWN COMPILATION on the filings of WT Docket
05-235, he would have found that the majority of those making
Comments since Federal Register Notice date of 31 August are NOT
favoring NPRM 05-143. Miccolis should keep that in mind, if and
when the FCC gets around to making their Report and Order. :-)

Note that Miccolis has often referred to FCC 99-412
("Restructuring")
Report and Order as "not following the majority!" :-)


The issue is the accuracy of your 'scorecard'.


I try to issue those daily. As a service to anyone interested in
the progress of the public comment period on NPRM 05-143. I try to
make them as accurate as possible.

James P. Miccolis hasn't issued any tabulations/compilations on the
filings of WT Docket 05-235. One wonders if he has READ them at
all.

The CHARGES of "inaccuracy" are specious, NOT backed up by any
other tabulations/compilations on WT Docket 05-235.


Tsk, tsk. Since this is a private


It's not private at all.


It is a PRIVATE ENDEAVOR. As in "by myself." It is made "public"
as in public view, as a result of posting.

I can do it by private e-mail as easily. That way it would not
(seemingly) offend you so much that you write the following:

You blab it all over a public forum,
so it's fair game for comment and question by others.


Sigh...you still do NOT understand computer-modem communications.
These newsgroups unrestricted by moderators are ALL open and
public to anyone who has access to a provider or to Google.

That's what free speech in a public forum is all about, Len.


You ABUSE "free speech" by general heckling...apparently because
of personal spite at getting opposite opinions to your mighty and
imperious statements made in public.

If you make statements here, others have the right to comment
on them and question their validity.


Hello? You've just gotten a taste of "rights" right up your
I/O port. :-)

Is your 'scorecard' a collection of alleged facts, or is it
just your opinion?


Neither. It is my honest effort to show the day-by-day
compilation of filings on WT Docket 05-235.

Such a compilation/tabulation can be done by ANYONE having
access to the FCC ECFS or to the FCC Reading Room.

Miccolis has NOT done ANY of his own compilation/tabultion
in order to BACK UP HIS CHARGES OF INACCURACY. Tsk, tsk.


The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about morse code testing, elimination of
test element 1 to be specific. Had you bothered to READ ALL of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 you would have seen some filings
which were NOT EVEN ABOUT THE NPRM! :-) Is the FCC going to
consider those in regards to NPRM 05-143? :-)

Should your reply comments be called "indeterminate" because
of that?


You will label my comments anydamnthing you want...that's totally
predictable! :-)

I'd not call your spiteful little misdirections in here as
"indeterminate." INDEFATIGUABLE is more like it... :-)


Perhaps your explanation is incomplete?


Perhaps you ought to grow up and accept the FACT that a very
large group in the amateur community does NOT think like you do
about either morse code or morse code testing! [sunnuvagun!]



Yes. You've made serious mistakes in your statements about
Part 97. And you've refused to correct or even acknowledge them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's called stating a fact.


Here's a FACT: James P. Miccolis spending a lot of time late at
night (almost 11:30 PM when his latest missive was launched) in
order to HECKLE a no-code-test-advocate. :-)


You're not the only one reading the comments, Len. And your
numbers don't agree with others' results.


PRESENT THOSE "NUMBERS" then. "Prove" the "inaccuracy."

"Put up or shut up," Jimmie (that's a phrase, not a command).

You've spent days on trying to imply "inaccuracy" on my part,
yet you have NO PROOF out in public. You "babble" in here in
an effort to misdirect everyone's attention. [it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]

Jimmie has NOT even made ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235.


James P. Miccolis has made one, either... :-)


Jimmie has NOT stated he has READ a single filing on 05-235.


Who is "Jimmie", Len? Can't be me, because I've read several of
the comments. Reply comments too. And the whole NPRM.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Nun of the Above, try to go with the flow of
newsgrouping. Don't PRETEND you don't know... :-)


I've simply asked questions and stated facts.


Snide, spiteful heckling is more like it... :-)

It's a fact that
you have a proven track record of mistakes here.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...more uncivil attempts at character assassination.
Keep it up...it worked well for the National Socialist Party of
Germany in the 1930s. :-)

If you try real hard, you might even convince others I have
underarm odor!


Is that your methodology here, Len?


All I'm doing is READING ALL the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and
showing - as honestly as I can, as accurately as I can - the
four categories of opinions therein.

Perhaps you're counting on nobody checking your work.


Doesn't matter. ANYONE can "check my work." All they have to
do is go in and READ ALL of the filings, count them up, tabulate
the results.

ANYONE can go in to the FCC ECFS and "check my totals" posted in
here. Just set the date blocks on the ECFS form and the ECFS
will automatically total ALL of those within that date period!

[new technology applied...you should try some sometime...]


Had Jimmie seen other NPRMs and the
resulting R&Os, he would understand that. Obviously,
he has NOT.


I don't know what "Jimmie" has read, but I've read plenty of
NPRMs and the resultinf R&Os.


Jimmie Noserve also pretends to be an expert on military life.
Hasn't served a day, though. The Nun of the Above is busy
looking for knuckles to slap with her ruler. ["give a Nun
an inch and she thinks she's a ruler"]

Hello? You are in a NEWSGROUP. You wish to heckle your
perceived enemies...yet you demand all this "civility" of
"proper names" and other bullsnit. :-)


Not just CITZENS, Len - all interested parties. FCC has
not rejected the comments of noncitizens - why chould you?


Okay, James P. Miccolis, you hop on over to some Australian
place and TELL THEM HOW THEIR LAWS SHOULD BE. You think
you will be "considered," mate? :-)

Jimmie-James, you get yourself a copy of the United States
Constitution and try to UNDERSTAND IT. Especially the
First Amendment.

In fact, one doesn't even have to be a human being to
comment.


The ARRL hasn't filed anything on WT Docket 05-235 as of
8 PM EDT, 26 October. Some describe the ARRL as "soul less"
and without substance. :-)

Jimmie-James P. Miccolis of PA has NOT FILED ANYTHING on
WT Docket 05-235 (as of 8 PM EDT, 26 October 2005).


If Kenwood files comments, will you count them or reject them?


Kenwood who? :-)



Does that mean no one can question your scorecard? Why?
Is it somehow sacred and not open to any questions or
comments?


I've EXPLAINED my categorizations since my first "score card"
posting on 2 August 2005. See the "Notes" for each one.

Jimmie-James, I can't grab your finger and point it FOR YOU
at the Notes. You HAVE to read them.


It's not about me, Len. It's about *your* 'scorecard'.


Tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James. You are busy, busy, busy making it
YOUR teeny little "judgement at Nuremburg." :-)


Who checks Miccolis' "work" on his bi-monthly "license
number" postings? [he won't say from where he cribs
his numbers]


Anyone can check my posted numbers very simply by doing the
math. I've stated the source of those numbers here.


If anyone with newsgroup access can access them, WHY do
you post them here AS IF you "derived them?" :-)


The ARRL represents a distinct MINORITY of all USA
amateur radio licensees. A mere 20%.


How is that number derived?


That's been EXPLAINED to you in public several times!

Go to the QST advertising page at the ARRL site, observe
the "Publisher's Sworn Statement" that appears there twice
a year. Compare that to the total number of USA amateur
radio licensees at about the same time.

That's so terribly EASY to do...even for a double-degree.

:-)


How could anyone check your work, Len? You haven't shown it.


Two tabulations have been appended to two Replies to Comments.
Those are in PUBLIC VIEW at the FCC ECFS under WT Docket 05-235.

ANYONE can go to the ECFS and READ ALL the filings and do their
own compilations/tabulations. Really. It should be EASY for
any Amateur Extra with two degrees. :-)

By the way, "filings" refer to each document as listed in the
Search Results for any ECFS listing. That includes some filings
which have nothing at all to do with NPRM 05-143 or even the
amateur radio regulations! [sunnuvagun!] Another one is
completely blank. I've seen it. Do you know at which date it
was filed? You would if you had READ ALL of them.


Are you afraid of having your work checked, Len?


Not at all. Feel free to "check it" by READING ALL filings. :-)


If I make 10 nonidentical comments, will they count as 1 comment or
more than 1?


So...MAKE THEM! :-)

James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]



Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)

Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)

Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.

So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,


Nobody can. You haven't shown it.


Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)

Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Is a comment a requirement? The deadline isn't till next week.


NOBODY "requires" you to do anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

The deadline (official) for WT Docket 05-235 Comments is
31 October 2005. The deadline (official) for Replies to
Comments is 14 November 2005. Both dates are Mondays (in
case you can't do a calendar in your head).

So far, James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything in WT
Docket 05-235. But, he has been busy, busy, busy baring
his spite in here, asking dumb questions about things which
have already been EXPLAINED to him in each "score card"
posting I've made. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


Ho, ho, ho...and the moon is made of green cheese... :-)



James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005.


Neither are you, Len - ever.


I don't have to be, Jimmie-James...not to exercise my First
Amendment Rights. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


You're the one 'snarling'. Len.


Nah. I'm just "answering your questions!" :-)

I'm just asking some questions.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


The test may be gone, but Morse Code use by hams will go on.
For a long time.


ERROR! MISTAKE! The code test is STILL there! :-)

That's about the 5th ERROR you've made in your one heckle-gram.

You are building up a fine "track record for mistakes!" :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)

Besides - what does all this matter to you? You're not going to
get a license anyway, test or no test.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...are you FORBIDDING my getting an amateur radio
license? That's not NICE, Jimmie-James.

I thought you said "all I'm doing is asking questions?"

If so, why do you say such a NOT-nice thing at the end of your
posting?

Have you been taking testosterone supplements and studying the
newsgroup conduct of Dudly the Imposter? :-)

Or are you tied down on the track in the tunnel and seeing a
bright light coming towards you...and suddenly realizing it IS
a locomotive? :-)



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Old October 27th 05, 11:41 PM
 
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Default Scorecard on WT Docket 05-235

wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


Nice MISDIRECTION away from the NPRM. :-)


The thread is about your "scorecard", Len.


No, it is about A score card, specifically on WT Docket 05-235,
done to provide some insight on the Comments made and the
prevailing opinions of OTHERS out there, as much up to date as
possible for anyone else interested in NPRM 05-143.


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.

The first thread was begun by me on 2 August, 2005, intended as
a quick-look compilation of filings that had begun on 20 July by
individuals. The second thread was begun by me on 2 August 2005,
specifically to show both the original Docket opening filings and
those filed after the Notice in the Federal Register. The third
thread (this one) was begun on 17 October due to all the
gabbling and squabbling about charges of "inaccuracy" by all
those who didn't bother to do their own compilation. shrug

To almost the end of 26 October 2005, there have been 3,055
filings on WT Docket 05-235.


Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply
Comments?

Has Miccolis READ them?


Some of them.

But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


ALL
of them? I have.


You claim to, anyway.

I have appended two listings of filings
with my Replies to Comments done at the date those Replies
were filed. Miccolis FAILED to note that had been done; ergo,
Miccolis has READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.

Brian Burke has filed on WT Docket 05-235, even Dan Jeswald,
Bill Sohl, and a few others. James P. Miccolis has NOT filed
ANYTHING on WT Docket 05-235 as of 7 PM EDT on 26 October 2005.


So?

Why is that so important to you?

Asking how the
numbers are derived, what rules are used in the derivation,
and who checks your work are right on-subject.


But NOT necessary.


Why not?

I include Notes with each posting of the
"score card" which explain the categorization. Those are
comprehensive to those who bother to READ things.


I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.

For example, if someone filed 1 comment and 3 reply comments
on the NPRM, did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else?


The OPINION expressed in EACH Comment or Reply to Comments
is EVIDENT in their CONTENT. That is self-evident (to
those who are not busy with misdirection of asking stupid
little questions designed to annoy the score-keeper).


Did you count them as 1 or 4 or something else, Len?

It's a very simple question. You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.

Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for" filings?

James P. Miccolis has NOT posted ANYTHING similar to what
I have done...yet wishes to be some kind of "judge" on
what should be and what should not be. Tsk, tsk.


Why does what I have posted matter at all? You're
ducking some very basic questions. Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.

Your mistakes are well documented. Such as the legality of
amateur operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-period
licenses.


THIS thread is about NPRM 05-143 and the filings in WT
Docket 05-235.


So? The fact is that you've posted things here with serious
mistakes in them, and then attacked the person who pointed
out the mistakes.

If there are "mistakes" in the tabulations,
those can be found by ANYONE who bothers to READ the filings.

So far, the ONLY "mistake" was a juxtaposition of two note
numbers in the new form of the second thread begun on the
first of September. That was pointed out by Bill Sohl in
public, I acknowledged that and correct the juxtaposition.

Neither NPRM 05-143 nor WT Docket 05-235 concern themselves
with any "operation by hams with expired-but-in-the-grace-
period." :-)


Gosh, Len, so you *can* call me by my name!


Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.

You haven't filed anything
in the FCC ECFS since 23 August 2004.


So? Why is that important?

It is NOT "Jim."


Yes, it is.

But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their
names.

US citizenship is not a requirement for getting an FCC
amateur radio license. Passing the required tests *is* a
requirement.


NPRM 05-143 is a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking by the FCC.
Any Report and Order issued as a RESULT of Comments then
becomes LAW in the form of an FCC Regulation of U.S. civil
radio. Do you understand that, or must it be explained in
voluminous detail to you?


Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.

The First Amendment
of the United States Constitution guarantees CITIZENS the
right to make comments to their government. United States
citizens...NOT citizens of OTHER countries.


So?

FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't *have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.

If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why don't you
list them as part of the total?

Neither is there an age requirement to comment.


Given the childish behavior of some, especially those spiteful
ones attempting to misdirect a thread showing the day-by-day
change in the filings of WT Docket 05-235, perhaps there
should be.


Gee, Len, you exhibit very childish behavior here ;-)

Even more so when those spiteful children have
great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in the
"amateur community."


Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support of code testing. For
Extras, at least.

You've had "great difficulty in accepting the prevailing opinions in
the
"amateur community"" for years, Len.

Of course Len has admitted that he has had problems integrating young
people into what he considers 'adult' activities....


There is a minimum age to serve in the United States military.
I have NO difficulty with that. I HAVE served.


As you remind us over and over.

There's no age limit on an amateur radio license, nor on commentary to
FCC.

Has James P.
Miccolis served his country in that country's military? No, he
has not.


Would it make any difference if I had? We've seen how you treat people
who have served our country, both in the military and in other ways.
Your behavior is that if they disagree with you their service is
simply one more thing you can insult.

Miccolis perceives "problems" on such minimum age
limits, yet has NOT served.


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in the
amateur radio service.

The state of California has a minimum age limit on many things,
drivers licenses for one. I have no problem with those. Miccolis
perceives I have "problems" there? I have not.


You have stated here that you have always had problems integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.

There are hundreds of local communities which have very definite
AGE LIMITS in their ordinances and codifications of law, all with
definite moral and ethical purposes to those. I have no "problem"
with them. Miccolis perceives "problems" where none exist.

Miccolis wishes to drag up SEVEN-YEAR-OLD Comments on WT Docket
98-143...which are NOT a part of NPRM 05-143. Why?


Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.

You bring up your military service of a half-century ago - why is that
relevant?

A comment is not a vote. An NPRM is not an election. FCC doesn't have
to act on what the majority of comments want.


Had Miccolis done HIS OWN COMPILATION on the filings of WT Docket
05-235, he would have found that the majority of those making
Comments since Federal Register Notice date of 31 August are NOT
favoring NPRM 05-143. Miccolis should keep that in mind, if and
when the FCC gets around to making their Report and Order. :-)

Note that Miccolis has often referred to FCC 99-412
("Restructuring")
Report and Order as "not following the majority!" :-)


And they didn't. The majority did not want 5 wpm as the only code test.

The issue is the accuracy of your 'scorecard'.


I try to issue those daily. As a service to anyone interested in
the progress of the public comment period on NPRM 05-143. I try to
make them as accurate as possible.


Yet you don't answer questions on the process. Why?

James P. Miccolis hasn't issued any tabulations/compilations on the
filings of WT Docket 05-235. One wonders if he has READ them at
all.

The CHARGES of "inaccuracy" are specious, NOT backed up by any
other tabulations/compilations on WT Docket 05-235.


There are no "CHARGES of inaccuracy" - just some questions on your
processes.

Tsk, tsk. Since this is a private


It's not private at all.


It is a PRIVATE ENDEAVOR.


Not once you post it.

As in "by myself."


Nobody checks your work, then.

It is made "public"
as in public view, as a result of posting.


Which means it's fair game for comments and questions.

I can do it by private e-mail as easily. That way it would not
(seemingly) offend you so much that you write the following:

You blab it all over a public forum,
so it's fair game for comment and question by others.


Sigh...you still do NOT understand computer-modem communications.


Yes, I do, Len. That's what bugs you so much.

These newsgroups unrestricted by moderators are ALL open and
public to anyone who has access to a provider or to Google.


And that means your postings are fair game for comment and question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They are not
immune to question and/or debat.

That's the nature of "computer-modem communciations".

That's what free speech in a public forum is all about, Len.


You ABUSE "free speech" by general heckling...apparently because
of personal spite at getting opposite opinions to your mighty and
imperious statements made in public.


Where's the abuse? I asked some questions, pointed out some facts.

It seems to me that you cannot tolerate any disagreement with your
views.

If you make statements here, others have the right to comment
on them and question their validity.


Hello? You've just gotten a taste of "rights" right up your
I/O port. :-)


See? There you go.

Is your 'scorecard' a collection of alleged facts, or is it
just your opinion?


Neither. It is my honest effort to show the day-by-day
compilation of filings on WT Docket 05-235.


So it's a collection of alleged facts.

Such a compilation/tabulation can be done by ANYONE having
access to the FCC ECFS or to the FCC Reading Room.

Miccolis has NOT done ANY of his own compilation/tabultion
in order to BACK UP HIS CHARGES OF INACCURACY. Tsk, tsk.


What charges of inaccuracy?

Did I say the numbers were wrong? Or did I simply ask how they were
derived, and pointed out how they *might be* in error?

For example, if you count multiple comments from the same person,
you'll get a different tally than if you just count the commenters
themselves.

The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about morse code testing, elimination of
test element 1 to be specific.


The NPRM does not state that comments must be about Morse Code testing
and nothing else.

Had you bothered to READ ALL of
filings in WT Docket 05-235 you would have seen some filings
which were NOT EVEN ABOUT THE NPRM! :-) Is the FCC going to
consider those in regards to NPRM 05-143? :-)


They might, if the arguments are judged worthy.

Should your reply comments be called "indeterminate" because
of that?


You will label my comments anydamnthing you want...that's totally
predictable! :-)

I'd not call your spiteful little misdirections in here as
"indeterminate." INDEFATIGUABLE is more like it... :-)


Perhaps your explanation is incomplete?


Perhaps you ought to grow up and accept the FACT that a very
large group in the amateur community does NOT think like you do
about either morse code or morse code testing! [sunnuvagun!]


A very large group in the amateur community does think like you do
about morse code or morse code testing, Len. Or about a bunch of other
things, like an age requirement for an amateur radio license.

Yes. You've made serious mistakes in your statements about
Part 97. And you've refused to correct or even acknowledge them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?

It's called stating a fact.


Here's a FACT: James P. Miccolis spending a lot of time late at
night (almost 11:30 PM when his latest missive was launched) in
order to HECKLE a no-code-test-advocate. :-)


Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur radio
station.

You're not the only one reading the comments, Len. And your
numbers don't agree with others' results.


PRESENT THOSE "NUMBERS" then. "Prove" the "inaccuracy."


Why? You'll just attack the messenger.

Besides, you're such an experienced expert on "computer-modem
communications" that you should be able to find the tally without
my help.

"Put up or shut up," Jimmie (that's a phrase, not a command).


Free speech, Len. I'll not shut up.

You've spent days on trying to imply "inaccuracy" on my part,
yet you have NO PROOF out in public. You "babble" in here in
an effort to misdirect everyone's attention.


Why not just answer the questions I posed, Len?

[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.

Jimmie has NOT even made ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235.


James P. Miccolis has made one, either... :-)


Jimmie has NOT stated he has READ a single filing on 05-235.


Who is "Jimmie", Len? Can't be me, because I've read several of
the comments. Reply comments too. And the whole NPRM.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Nun of the Above, try to go with the flow of
newsgrouping. Don't PRETEND you don't know... :-)


My name is not "Jimmie", so it can't be me.

I've simply asked questions and stated facts.


Snide, spiteful heckling is more like it... :-)

It's a fact that
you have a proven track record of mistakes here.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...more uncivil attempts at character assassination.
Keep it up...it worked well for the National Socialist Party of
Germany in the 1930s. :-)


Godwin invoked. You lose, Len.

If you try real hard, you might even convince others I have
underarm odor!


Is that your methodology here, Len?


All I'm doing is READING ALL the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and
showing - as honestly as I can, as accurately as I can - the
four categories of opinions therein.


And ignoring honest questions about the process.

Perhaps you're counting on nobody checking your work.


Doesn't matter. ANYONE can "check my work." All they have to
do is go in and READ ALL of the filings, count them up, tabulate
the results.

ANYONE can go in to the FCC ECFS and "check my totals" posted in
here. Just set the date blocks on the ECFS form and the ECFS
will automatically total ALL of those within that date period!

[new technology applied...you should try some sometime...]


Had Jimmie seen other NPRMs and the
resulting R&Os, he would understand that. Obviously,
he has NOT.


I don't know what "Jimmie" has read, but I've read plenty of
NPRMs and the resultinf R&Os.


Jimmie Noserve also pretends to be an expert on military life.


Well, that's not me.

Hasn't served a day, though.


You haven't been a radio amateur - ever - yet you tell us
all How It Should Be in amateur radio.

The Nun of the Above is busy
looking for knuckles to slap with her ruler. ["give a Nun
an inch and she thinks she's a ruler"]

Hello? You are in a NEWSGROUP. You wish to heckle your
perceived enemies...yet you demand all this "civility" of
"proper names" and other bullsnit. :-)


You equate questions with heckling.

Not just CITZENS, Len - all interested parties. FCC has
not rejected the comments of noncitizens - why chould you?


Okay, James P. Miccolis, you hop on over to some Australian
place and TELL THEM HOW THEIR LAWS SHOULD BE. You think
you will be "considered," mate? :-)

Jimmie-James, you get yourself a copy of the United States
Constitution and try to UNDERSTAND IT. Especially the
First Amendment.


Tell it to the FCC. They accept comments from any interested party. Who
are you to reject them?

In fact, one doesn't even have to be a human being to
comment.


The ARRL hasn't filed anything on WT Docket 05-235 as of
8 PM EDT, 26 October. Some describe the ARRL as "soul less"
and without substance. :-)

Jimmie-James P. Miccolis of PA has NOT FILED ANYTHING on
WT Docket 05-235 (as of 8 PM EDT, 26 October 2005).


If Kenwood files comments, will you count them or reject them?


Kenwood who? :-)


The company.

Does that mean no one can question your scorecard? Why?
Is it somehow sacred and not open to any questions or
comments?


I've EXPLAINED my categorizations since my first "score card"
posting on 2 August 2005. See the "Notes" for each one.


Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.

Jimmie-James, I can't grab your finger and point it FOR YOU
at the Notes. You HAVE to read them.


I did. Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.

It's not about me, Len. It's about *your* 'scorecard'.


Tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James. You are busy, busy, busy making it
YOUR teeny little "judgement at Nuremburg." :-)


Paging Mr. Godwin...

Who checks Miccolis' "work" on his bi-monthly "license
number" postings? [he won't say from where he cribs
his numbers]


Anyone can check my posted numbers very simply by doing the
math. I've stated the source of those numbers here.


If anyone with newsgroup access can access them, WHY do
you post them here AS IF you "derived them?" :-)


The source does not do historical data, only current numbers.
By posting them here, they will endure as long as Usenet is archived.

The ARRL represents a distinct MINORITY of all USA
amateur radio licensees. A mere 20%.


How is that number derived?


That's been EXPLAINED to you in public several times!

Go to the QST advertising page at the ARRL site, observe
the "Publisher's Sworn Statement" that appears there twice
a year. Compare that to the total number of USA amateur
radio licensees at about the same time.


That's so terribly EASY to do...even for a double-degree.

:-)


How could anyone check your work, Len? You haven't shown it.


Two tabulations have been appended to two Replies to Comments.
Those are in PUBLIC VIEW at the FCC ECFS under WT Docket 05-235.

ANYONE can go to the ECFS and READ ALL the filings and do their
own compilations/tabulations. Really. It should be EASY for
any Amateur Extra with two degrees. :-)

By the way, "filings" refer to each document as listed in the
Search Results for any ECFS listing. That includes some filings
which have nothing at all to do with NPRM 05-143 or even the
amateur radio regulations! [sunnuvagun!] Another one is
completely blank. I've seen it. Do you know at which date it
was filed? You would if you had READ ALL of them.


Are you afraid of having your work checked, Len?


Not at all. Feel free to "check it" by READING ALL filings. :-)


You're afraid.

If I make 10 nonidentical comments, will they count as 1 comment or
more than 1?


So...MAKE THEM! :-)


James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]


Why don't you, Len?

Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)

Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)

Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.

So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,


Nobody can. You haven't shown it.


Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)

Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.


And the totals say you're looking at all filings, not just comments.

Is a comment a requirement? The deadline isn't till next week.


NOBODY "requires" you to do anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

The deadline (official) for WT Docket 05-235 Comments is
31 October 2005. The deadline (official) for Replies to
Comments is 14 November 2005. Both dates are Mondays (in
case you can't do a calendar in your head).

So far, James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything in WT
Docket 05-235. But, he has been busy, busy, busy baring
his spite in here, asking dumb questions about things which
have already been EXPLAINED to him in each "score card"
posting I've made. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.


Ho, ho, ho...and the moon is made of green cheese... :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len. That really seems to bother you.

James Miccolis wasn't IN the FCC in 1998, 1999, and he isn't
IN the FCC in 2005.


Neither are you, Len - ever.


I don't have to be, Jimmie-James...not to exercise my First
Amendment Rights. :-)

I'm just asking some questions, Len.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


You're the one 'snarling'. Len.


Nah. I'm just "answering your questions!" :-)


With a snarl. Perhaps you have a guilty conscience?

I'm just asking some questions.


No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)


The test may be gone, but Morse Code use by hams will go on.
For a long time.


ERROR! MISTAKE! The code test is STILL there! :-)

That's about the 5th ERROR you've made in your one heckle-gram.

You are building up a fine "track record for mistakes!" :-)


I'm just asking some questions, Len.

No, you are "having fun" trying your spiteful little worst to
HECKLE. :-)

Besides - what does all this matter to you? You're not going to
get a license anyway, test or no test.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...are you FORBIDDING my getting an amateur radio
license? That's not NICE, Jimmie-James.


Are you "nice", Len? You don't behave nicely here.

I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license. If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago. You don't
want one and you're not going to get one.

What you really want is something very different.

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From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm


wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is. Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them? YOU did NOT.

Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply
Comments?


ALL the filings, Jimmie-James. ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James, you ARE making "claims" of "inaccuracy"
and implications of badness. :-)

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005. In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making
any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims." I'm doing READING and
counting and tabulating what I find. If you dislike the
results, DON'T READ THE "SCORE CARD." [simple solution]

That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


Why is that so important to you?


Why is YOUR HECKLING "so important" to YOU? :-)

You aren't even discussing the opinions in all those 3,199
filings. All you do is try to trash-mouth those who've
bothered to look at ALL the filings. Tsk, tsk.


I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.


Why is that "so important to you?"

YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Since this is a private compilation, I do my own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.


No, dearie, that is NOT "in other words." All you are doing
is simple-minded heckling of ME...which seems "so important
to you." :-)


It's a very simple question.


...from a VERY unsatisfied simple person... :-)


You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.


Yes, and...? Are you FORBIDDING my communications with my
own government?!?


Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for" filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly. I've already said I
count ALL the filings.


Why does what I have posted matter at all?


Tsk. You talk MUCH in HERE about this NPRM yet you have
said NOTHING to the FCC on NPRM 05-143.

It would seem you are all about gabbling and heckling and
don't have the guts to make yourself heard to the FCC.

You're ducking some very basic questions.


NOT "ducking" anything, Jimmie-James.

You HECKLE a lot, asking inane questions to which the answers
were already posted with the first of my "score cards."

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you are acting like a whiny, petulant little
child with all those "I'm just asking questions" nonsense
comments.

Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.


Tsk. I "attack the messenger?!?" :-)

What do you call YOUR remarks in HERE, then, Jimmie-James?
Some kind of self-appointed morals-ethics "policeman" when
all you are is a petulant, whiny little heckler.

As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."

The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it? You have your beloved badge, title,
rank, attendant privileges, and a neat certificate (suitable
for framing). Nobody can take that away from you. The results
of the final R&O will NOT affect you insofar as amateur radio
operating, will it?


Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.


You have OTHER ways to write your legal name? :-)


But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their
names.


I wrote "your name is James P. Miccolis." No problem to
me. It was easy to write. :-) NOT "extreme difficulty."


Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


"Miss the point?" I've never been to West Point. Tell us
about it, your cadet days before you were actively "serving
your country."

I've been to Point Loma, Point Reyes, all without "missing" my
way there.

I have an LED pointer. I haven't missed with that one for a
long while.


A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.


You "claim." :-)


FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't *have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.


So...you have it on "good authority" that the FCC actually
CONSIDERS those comments in deciding on a final R&O?

Tell us more, Mr. Insider. You ARE with the FCC, aren't you?


If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why don't you
list them as part of the total?


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James, they ARE listed. Have been since the
first of them showed up.

Gee, Len, you exhibit very childish behavior here ;-)


Ha. Ha. Ha. I'm not the one asking inane, petulant "questions"
which had ANSWERS already posted on the "score card." YOU ARE.


Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support of code testing. For
Extras, at least.


Why is that "so important to you?" It won't affect YOUR amateur
privileges.

The official end of Comments on WT Docket 05-235 is 31 October 2005;
official end of Replies to Comments is 14 November 2005. I am
posting this message on 28 October 2005. Whatever filings are
there, I'm simply READING them ALL, counting them up, tabulating
them and posting the results.



There's no age limit on an amateur radio license, nor on commentary to
FCC.


I'm NOT taking any "age limits" in my "score card," Jimmie. :-)

Why do you continue to make whiny little petulant remarks about
things NOT in the "score card?"


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in the
amateur radio service.


NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements." Grow up.


You have stated here that you have always had problems integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.


Like VOTING if one is below the age limit? I have NO "problem"
with that.

Like getting a driver's license below the state law age
minimum? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like buying alcohol in a store by those below the state law
minimums? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like serving in the armed forces below the age minimum? I have
NO "problem" with that. [you should have NO "problem" with
that since you've never served]

Like getting married before the minimum legal age? I have NO
"problem" with that. [are you married, Jimmie? Had sex yet?]

Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.


Tsk. LOTS and LOTS of ordinary folks are all FOR minimum age
requirements in MANY things, Jimmie. I have NO "problems" with
that. YOU have a big PROBLEM with that, though.



Yet you don't answer questions on the process. Why?


Tsk, tsk, tsk...I don't "answer" heckling about questions which
have had ANSWERS already posted in the Notes section of my "score
card." :-)


There are no "CHARGES of inaccuracy" - just some questions on your
processes.


You have only whiny, petulant, childish HECKLING of others,
Jimmie. Not a nice thing to do.



And that means your postings are fair game for comment and question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They are not
immune to question and/or debat.


Freudian slip, Jimmie. The word is "debate." :-)

"De bat" is what you think you swing. But, you ain't got a ball
enough to post your own Comment on WT Docket 05-235. :-)


It seems to me that you cannot tolerate any disagreement with your
views.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...it seems you get VERY UPSET when a sizeable
group of hobbyists don't like morse code testing! :-)

Makes you ill-tempered, whiny, petulant, and childish with
your inane heckling! :-)


Did I say the numbers were wrong?


You implied that several times. :-)

Or did I simply ask how they were
derived, and pointed out how they *might be* in error?


You not only MIGHT be WRONG on your "assessment" but you ARE. :-)



Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... :-

Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur radio
station.


Who cares? :-)

It's YOUR body you are abusing...


Besides, you're such an experienced expert on "computer-modem
communications" that you should be able to find the tally without
my help.


I haven't needed it yet, Jimmie. :-)


Why not just answer the questions I posed, Len?


What "answers" would you LIKE, Jimmie? :-)


[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.


"Knuckle-spanking" is VIOLENCE?

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... ......


My name is not "Jimmie", so it can't be me.


Ah, but it IS, Jimmie. :-)

You want "formality?" Should we call you "your majesty?" :-)



Godwin invoked. You lose, Len.


I haven't "lost" anything, Jimmie-James. :-)

Tell "Godwin" to send me e-mail if he (or you) are so upset...


And ignoring honest questions about the process.


Ask them "honestly" and I might give you answers...but the
ANSWERS were already in every "score card" before you ever
asked them! :-)


You haven't been a radio amateur - ever - yet you tell us
all How It Should Be in amateur radio.


Tsk. Who can "tell" a morseman anything? :-)


You equate questions with heckling.


Yours ARE. :-)


Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.


Tsk, tsk. I don't give you the "answers you want" and "with the
proper respectful attitude."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...


I did. Your explanations are incomplete and inadequate.



Tsk, tsk. I don't give you the "answers you want" and "with the
proper respectful attitude."

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...


James P. Miccolis has NOT filed anything with the ECFS since
August of last year. ["put your money where your mouth is"]


Why don't you, Len?


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James has already FORGOTTEN about his remark
and my five filings on WT Docket 05-235. James P. Miccolis
has exactly ZERO filings on that Docket. :-)


Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.



Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)



Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)



Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.



So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,



Nobody can. You haven't shown it.



Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)



Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.




I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license.


How is that "important" to YOU? It sure isn't "important" on
NPRM 05-143 what any Commenter is "going to do." :-)

Had you READ ALL the filings, you would have seen some interesting
ones (other than mine, of course) by NON-radio-hobbyists! Try an
educational institution for starters...

If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why? :-)

Get a ham license to "do a 'service' to my country?" :-) Done
the REAL service, Jimmie.

Well, I DID not follow the "accepted formal sequence" by getting an
amateur radio license BEFORE I operated all those transmitters at
ADA long ago...and messed that up by getting a Commercial radio
license after being released from Army service ten years after I
turned the magic age of fourteen. :-)

You don't want one and you're not going to get one.


I don't want your childish, petulant, whiny heckling in here but I
will EXPECT to get thousands of them... :-)

What you really want is something very different.


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.

So...how long have YOU been taking those post-graduate courses in
behavioral psychology, Jimmie-James? Do you plan on becoming a
licensed shrink? Or do you just wear shrink-wrap?

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA.........



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wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:41:58 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:23:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is.


Well, at least you finally admit to that plain and simple fact.

Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.

YOU did NOT.


Why does that matter?

You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.

The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.

Do those 'filings' include only Comments, or other things like Reply Comments?


ALL the filings, Jimmie-James.


Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?

ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.

So what you're really writing about is how many total documents have
been filed, not just comments. The term "comment" has a specific
meaning in the context of FCC NPRMs.

But it's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and making any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...Jimmie-James, you ARE making "claims"
of "inaccuracy" and implications of badness. :-)


Well, maybe your imaginary friend is doing that.

But I, Jim/N2EY, am simply asking questions about your 'scorecard'
process, and pointing out the *potential* for
inaccuracy.

That sort of thing seems to really bother you, Len.

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005.


So? Is the filing of comments with FCC a requirement for asking
questions and posting comments here?

Who made you the moderator?

In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


What's so "tsk tsk" about that?

It's not about me, Len. I'm not posting a 'scorecard' and
making any claims. You are.


Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims."


Yes, you are, Len. You're claiming your 'scorecard' is accurate
but you won't answer questions about how it is prepared. That may
be changing, which is a good thing.

I'm doing READING and
counting and tabulating what I find.


So you claim, anyway.

If you dislike the
results, DON'T READ THE "SCORE CARD." [simple solution]


Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.

You seem to want everyone to just accept what you write here
without question, even though you don't behave that way
towards others. Doesn't work that way.

That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


You are the one getting upset, Len. Not me.

Why is that so important to you?


Why is YOUR HECKLING "so important" to YOU? :-)

You aren't even discussing the opinions in all those 3,199
filings. All you do is try to trash-mouth those who've
bothered to look at ALL the filings. Tsk, tsk.


Seems to me that asking questions is defined as "heckling" and
"trash-mouth" by you...

I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.


Why is that "so important to you?"


I'm just asking you to clarify your process. Is that so difficult
to understand?

YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Neither are you, Len.

Since this is a private compilation, I do my
own "checking"
prior to each posting. Those can be verified by ANYONE who
bothers to READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235.


In other words, nobody checks your work.


No, dearie, that is NOT "in other words."


Nobody checks your work.

All you are doing
is simple-minded heckling of ME...which seems "so important
to you." :-)


Nobody checks your work.

It's a very simple question.


...from a VERY unsatisfied simple person... :-)

You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.


Yes, and...? Are you FORBIDDING my communications with my
own government?!?


Of course not. Are you forbidding my free speech?

Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for"
filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly.


Incorrect. I understand very well. You explain very poorly.

I've already said I count ALL the filings.


In other words, your own comments and reply comments are counted as 5
filings *for* the NPRM, not 1. Also means you're counting the multiple
filings of others, including one person who was "for" the NPRM and
filed no less than 17 filings.

An alternative compilation that I have seen indicates multiple filings
by the same person. Last time I looked, multiple filings by those "for"
the NPRM exceeded multiple filings by those "against" it by at least 32
comments. That's about 1%.

So your counting method overstates the support for the NPRM by at least
that percentage.

You post your results to four significant figures, yet if your counting
method is as described above, it's inaccurate by at least 1% from that
one source of error.

Why does what I have posted matter at all?


Tsk. You talk MUCH in HERE about this NPRM yet you have
said NOTHING to the FCC on NPRM 05-143.


*Why* does that matter?

You make a lot of noise about amateur radio but you've never been a
radio amateur. And from all appearances you're never going to get an
amateur radio license.

So why do are you so obsessed with it?

It would seem you are all about gabbling and heckling and
don't have the guts to make yourself heard to the FCC.


Quite the opposite is true, Len.

That description is more about you than me.

Do you think proposals to the FCC write themselves?

Seems to me you'd
be proud to show how your totals came about, but instead
you attack the messenger.


Tsk. I "attack the messenger?!?" :-)


Yes.

What do you call YOUR remarks in HERE, then, Jimmie-James?
Some kind of self-appointed morals-ethics "policeman" when
all you are is a petulant, whiny little heckler.

As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."


What you're really saying is that you cannot tolerate
opposing opinions, questions, or facts that contradict your
assertions.

The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it?


It may. Changes in the rules of the amateur radio service may
have a profound effect on me, because I'm an active licensed
radio amateur.

There's very little chance that changes in the rules of the amateur
radio service will have *any* effect on you, because
you're not a licensed radio amateur, and it doesn't appear
that you'll ever be one.

You have your beloved badge, title,
rank, attendant privileges, and a neat certificate (suitable
for framing).


What does all that refer to. Do you mean my Amateur Extra class radio
license issued by FCC in 1970 (35 years ago!) and renewed/modified ever
since?

Nobody can take that away from you.


Yes, they can. FCC can refuse to renew a license, or even revoke it,
for cause. I've never given them cause.

FCC can also decide to change license privileges, subbands, etc., all
of which can have a profound affect on those who actually operate in
the licensed service.

The results
of the final R&O will NOT affect you insofar as amateur radio
operating, will it?


They could. For example, if rules changes cause the ARS to become more
like cb, my amateur radio operating could be profoundly affected.

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.

Some days back, you posted a description of your experiences with
cb radio back in the late 1950s and early 1960s. You told us how
you installed a manufactured cb transceiver and antenna in your car and
used it. You told us the performance was *excellent* - for about four
years. Then it wasn't so excellent anymore.

Where did the excellence go, Len?

Do you see how the same could happen to amateur radio?

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.

Existing licensees can be profoundly affected by rules changes.
Since your are not a radio amateur and not likely to become one
regardless of rules changes, the NPRM results don't really affect you.

Your name is James P. Miccolis.


That's one way to write it.


You have OTHER ways to write your legal name? :-)


Yes. My middle name could be spelled out, for one...

But for some reason you have extreme difficulty calling people by their names.


I wrote "your name is James P. Miccolis." No problem to
me. It was easy to write. :-) NOT "extreme difficulty."


Judging by how often you call people by other than their legal names,
it's clear you have a lot of difficulty in that area.

Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


"Miss the point?"


Yes.

I've never been to West Point.


I have. Under it, too.

A comment to FCC is not a vote. Citizenship is not required
to comment.


Did you fail high school Civics class?


No - I got all A's.


You "claim." :-)


It's at least as accurate as your 'scorecard' claims...


FCC accepts comments from noncitizens too. They don't
*have* to do
that, but they do it anyway.


So...you have it on "good authority" that the FCC actually
CONSIDERS those comments in deciding on a final R&O?


I didn't say that. I wrote that FCC *accepts* those comments.

Tell us more, Mr. Insider. You ARE with the FCC, aren't you?


I'm as "with" FCC as you are.

If FCC is willing to accept comments from foreigners, why
don't you list them as part of the total?


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jimmie-James, they ARE listed.
Have been since the first of them showed up.


Just not *counted* by you...

Looks like the prevailing opinion is in support
of code testing. For
Extras, at least.


Why is that "so important to you?"


Why does it matter at all to *you*, Len.

It won't affect YOUR amateur privileges.


How do you know?

The official end of Comments on WT Docket 05-235 is 31
October 2005;
official end of Replies to Comments is 14 November 2005.
I am
posting this message on 28 October 2005. Whatever filings
are
there, I'm simply READING them ALL, counting them up,
tabulating them and posting the results.


Allegedly.

There's no age limit on an amateur radio license,
nor on commentary to FCC.


I'm NOT taking any "age limits" in my "score card," Jimmie. :-)

Why do you continue to make whiny little petulant remarks about
things NOT in the "score card?"


I see no need for a minimum age requirement for licensing in
the amateur radio service.


NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements."


Neither was the previous restructuring NPRM. Yet you included
recommendations in your reply comments recommending such a limit.

Grow up.


What does that mean in this context, Len? Should I behave like
you do here?

You have stated here that you have always had problems
integrating
young people into what you consider an adult activity.


Like VOTING if one is below the age limit?


No.

I have NO "problem" with that.

Like getting a driver's license below the state law age
minimum? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like buying alcohol in a store by those below the state law
minimums? I have NO "problem" with that.

Like serving in the armed forces below the age minimum? I have
NO "problem" with that. [you should have NO "problem" with
that since you've never served]

Like getting married before the minimum legal age? I have NO
"problem" with that.


But you have "a problem" with 13 year olds getting amateur radio
licenses.

Because they're relevant to your attitude towards young people.


Tsk. LOTS and LOTS of ordinary folks are all FOR minimum age
requirements in MANY things, Jimmie. I have NO "problems" with
that. YOU have a big PROBLEM with that, though.

I'm not the one recommending an age requirement for a US amateur radio
license. You are. But you can provide no evidence of problems caused by
the lack of such an age requirement.

In fact, an examination of enforcement actions by FCC reveals that many
more serious violations in the ARS are committed by folks closer to
*your* age than by "teeners".

And that means your postings are fair game for comment and
question by
others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable.
They are not
immune to question and/or debat.


Freudian slip, Jimmie.


Typo.

The word is "debate." :-)


That's right. Your postings are fair game for comment and
question by others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They
are not immune to question and/or debate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...then you should cancel my amateur radio
license
then, refuse to give me my amateur paycheck? :-)


It's really all about money to you, isn't it?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... :-

Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


It really *is* all about money to you, Len.

Guess what, Len - I stay up very late to operate my amateur
radio station.


Who cares? :-)


You seem to.

It's YOUR body you are abusing...


How?

[it isn't
working, Jimmie, get a new knuckle-spanking ruler for the
Nun of the Above]


Ah yes, you advocate violence against those who question your
statements and beliefs.


"Knuckle-spanking" is VIOLENCE?


Yes.

Leads me to believe you're counting reply comments too.
And not checking for dupes.


Speaking of "dupes," why are you trying to DUPE everyone into
thinking I'm "always in error?" :-)



Are you so ****ed off at certain posters in here you stay up
until nearly midnight to post nastygrams? :-)



Go ahead, READ ALL of the filings in WT Docket 05-235 and do
your own compilations/tabulations. Check it out.



So far, Miccolis has NOT CHECKED MY WORK,



Nobody can. You haven't shown it.



Yes I have. It's IN the ECFS in two different Replies to
Comments. You just haven't seen it yet. :-)



Want to check my numbers out for totals? Easy to do with the
FCC ECFS and proper use of the date blocks. ECFS does the
totals for that period for you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.




I'm simply pointing out that you're not going to get an
amateur radio
license.


How is that "important" to YOU? It sure isn't "important" on
NPRM 05-143 what any Commenter is "going to do." :-)

Had you READ ALL the filings, you would have seen some interesting
ones (other than mine, of course) by NON-radio-hobbyists! Try an
educational institution for starters...

If you wanted one, you'd have gotten one years ago.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why? :-)

Get a ham license to "do a 'service' to my country?" :-) Done
the REAL service, Jimmie.

Well, I DID not follow the "accepted formal sequence" by getting an
amateur radio license BEFORE I operated all those transmitters at
ADA long ago...and messed that up by getting a Commercial radio
license after being released from Army service ten years after I
turned the magic age of fourteen. :-)

You don't want one and you're not going to get one.


I don't want your childish, petulant, whiny heckling in here but I
will EXPECT to get thousands of them... :-)

What you really want is something very different.


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.


Why? Those changes won't affect you.



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From: on Oct 29, 4:44 am

wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is.


Well, at least you finally admit to that plain and simple fact.


Let's see...Google accepts MY postings only under my IEEE
alias and I "sign" every "score card" with
."

WHO would be posting a "score card" under my name if
NOT me? :-)


Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.


WHO else, Jimmie?

You are begining to sound like Dudly the Imposter in here,
always NON-specific but alleging you "know" someone else.


You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.


MISTAKE. ERROR. I'm telling the Federal Communications
Commission (a U.S. federal government agency) what I think
the regulations on GETTING INTO amateur radio "should be."
[i.e., my desires]

Tsk. I could NOT "tell you anything" about amateur radio or
anything else if it was against what you wrote in here. You
would spend days, weeks, even years arguing over a "discussion"
as you did on "age requirements" LONG AFTER I dropped it. :-)


The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.


Tsk, tsk, I'm USED to heckling, catcalls, booing from the
peanut gallery in computer-modem communications. Been doing
that since early December, 1984.

YOU are one of the hecklers.

Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?


James P. Micollis, the one whose legal address given to the FCC
is at 136 Morningside Circle, Wayne, PA 19087.

Are YOU this same "James P. Miccolis?"

Answer truthfully. Any false responses will be treated to 23 years
of heckling... ;-)


ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.


Tsk, tsk. That ANSWER was clearly given in the Notes on each
"score card" posting since the first one. You did not seem to
understand it. Why did you keep on asking, keep on asking,
keep on asking? Disk record broken?



But I, Jim/N2EY, am simply asking questions about your 'scorecard'
process, and pointing out the *potential* for inaccuracy.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. The plain simple fact is that I am giving you
ANSWERS to stupid questions whose answers were in plain sight
in every "score card" posting I've done.

That sort of thing seems to really bother you, Len.


Poor baby. You keep asking all these inane questions. Why?

Are you afraid of the RESULTS of the opinions of the "amateur
community" being against your amateur Beliefs? Sure seems
that way.

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005.


So? Is the filing of comments with FCC a requirement for asking
questions and posting comments here?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?

:-)

Who made you the moderator?


The same one who made YOU "moderator!" :-)


In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


What's so "tsk tsk" about that?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?

Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims."


Yes, you are, Len. You're claiming your 'scorecard' is accurate
but you won't answer questions about how it is prepared.


1. The "answers" were ALREADY POSTED in each of the "score cards"
I put up via Google. Well before you "asked" for the first
one.

2. You've gotten answers to your (petulant, whiny, accusatory)
"questions" in here...but you sure as hell don't LIKE them!

That may be changing, which is a good thing.


Who appoint you "judge" of what is "a good thing" or a "bad thing?"

3. The attitude towards morse code testing in the U.S. amateur
community has been CHANGING all along...AWAY from the old,
Old, OLD standards and practices. That seems to **** you off
greatly and makes you petulant, whiny, and accusatory. Tsk.


Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are telling me to SHUT UP! [but are attempting
to disguise it with uncivil "civil phrases"]

You seem to want everyone to just accept what you write here
without question, even though you don't behave that way
towards others. Doesn't work that way.


ERROR! MISTAKE!! Sorry, dearie, but it DOES work that way.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did God appoint YOU as "judge" of "what works"
and "doesn't work" in here? [He didn't tell me that this
morning] Do you have a Certificate of Licensure (suitable for
framing) from a Divine Authority granting you "judgement"
capability on who posts what? I don't think so...


That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


You are the one getting upset, Len. Not me.


"Upset?" No. You are just another heckler out to AVENGE some
perceived slight/negativism/whathaveyou against you in the past
in a computer-modem venue.

My answers to your inane, petulant "questions" are just a way
for me to keep in writing shape. :-)


Why is that so important to you?


Why is YOUR HECKLING "so important" to YOU? :-)


ANSWER the question.


You aren't even discussing the opinions in all those 3,199
filings. All you do is try to trash-mouth those who've
bothered to look at ALL the filings. Tsk, tsk.


Seems to me that asking questions is defined as "heckling" and
"trash-mouth" by you...


Tsk, tsk, tsk...EXACTLY the technique of Dudly the Imposter in
here! [you HAVE been taking lessons from your buddie, aintcha?]

"Sweetums," you have NOT discussed ONE SINGLE filing on WT
DOCKET 05-235 since you began this heckling attempt! :-)


I read those notes. They are not comprehensive. They do not
answer several questions I have raised.


Why is that "so important to you?"


I'm just asking you to clarify your process. Is that so difficult
to understand?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. WE - most of the readers in here - UNDERSTAND
that you are just HECKLING. :-)

That YOU don't understand what others understand must mean that
your EGO has been sorely wounded...or you are some kind of idiot
so blinded by your own Beliefs that you can't understand it.


YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Neither are you, Len.


That doesn't explain why YOU constantly pretend to be "judge"
and try to make nasty to others who state opinions contrary to
what YOU find "objectionable."

There are NO RULES in "score card" postings other than what
the poster places in public view. I have done that. Since
the first "score card" posting. The Notes given with each
"card" are clear and comprehensive.

"Asking for clarification" of yours is nothing more than adult-
language puerile petulant HECKLING done for malicious intent
of your own.


Nobody checks your work.


*I* check my work. YOU don't like it, go do your OWN scoring.


Nobody checks your work.

*I* check my work. YOU don't like it, go do your OWN scoring.


It's a very simple question.


...from a VERY unsatisfied simple person... :-)


Poor Jimmie. Keeps trying to heckle "civilly." Remains just
heckling, though, whiny petulant heckling of a four-year-old
mentality.


You've filed at least 5 different comments
and reply comments, all of which are in support of the NPRM.


Yes, and...? Are you FORBIDDING my communications with my
own government?!?


Of course not.


Then WHY do you make such a molehill out of that mountain?

Are you forbidding my free speech?


Tsk, tsk, you are impossible to suppress. Did you buy new
Energizer batteries or something?


Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for"
filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly.


Incorrect. I understand very well. You explain very poorly.


Poor baby. Always trying to make yourself the "superior."

You don't get the answers you WANT, so you bitch and whine
and get all snarly about "poor explanations!"

Sorry, but the Nun of the Above can't elevate herself to
Mother Superior.


I've already said I count ALL the filings.


In other words, your own comments and reply comments are counted as 5
filings *for* the NPRM, not 1. Also means you're counting the multiple
filings of others, including one person who was "for" the NPRM and
filed no less than 17 filings.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...my Notes said that DUPLICATES would be counted
as "Indeterminate" category and not used for the Percentage
figures. Clearly.

The duplicate filer For the NPRM gives his name as Vincent
Garcell. Another one Against the NPRM, with 13 total filings,
is Dwayne Sparks.

The ECFS totals ALL of the filings in one Docket on any Search.
It doesn't discriminate against filings which aren't even about
amateur radio! Perhaps you ought to bitch and whine to the FCC
and Tell Them What To Do!

An alternative compilation that I have seen indicates multiple filings
by the same person. Last time I looked, multiple filings by those "for"
the NPRM exceeded multiple filings by those "against" it by at least 32
comments. That's about 1%.


Hey, Dudly II, WHOSE "alternative compilation?" WHOSE. Where
is this alleged "alternative compilation" to be found?

Why am I supposed to follow the "rules" of this "alternate
compilation?" Because YOU said so? [of course, silly question!]

So your counting method overstates the support for the NPRM by at least
that percentage.


Well then, go BITCH to the FCC and NTIA (who govern part of the
U.S. Internet) that I am being terribly "dishonest" and have me
thrown off the 'net or something! :-)

You post your results to four significant figures, yet if your counting
method is as described above, it's inaccurate by at least 1% from that
one source of error.


You poor baby. You would COMPLAIN if it was 3, 2, or 1 significant
figure. :-)



You make a lot of noise about amateur radio but you've never been a
radio amateur. And from all appearances you're never going to get an
amateur radio license.


"Motivation" is now a "necessity?!?" Of course it is. YOU are
a mighty macho MOTIVATED morseman and all must think like YOU.


So why do are you so obsessed with it?


Why are YOU so obsessed with alleging I make errors and falseness?

You DO sound a lot like Dudly the Imposter!



As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."


What you're really saying is that you cannot tolerate
opposing opinions, questions, or facts that contradict your
assertions.


WRONG. In the first few weeks of posting the "score card," the
only REAL questions appearing in the threads were those of
accessing the ECFS and how to file. By others. And answered
by another besides myself.

After the "score card" format change due to LATE notice in the
Federal Register, suddenly YOU appear with all the allegations
of inhonesty, "questions" on procedure, etc., etc., etc. :-)

YOUR whole purpose with those "questions" seems to be with your
on-going dissatisfaction with ANYTHING I post in here. There
is the question of "motivation" for your harrassment. Why are
you so OBSESSED with trying to toss me off?


The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it?


It may. Changes in the rules of the amateur radio service may
have a profound effect on me, because I'm an active licensed
radio amateur.


Then seek MENTAL counseling. There is NOTHING to deny present-
day privileges to ALREADY-LICENSED U.S. radio amateurs in
NPRM 05-143. There are NO statements of ALREADY-LICENSED
amateurs having to do a single test or examination in order to
continue their existing privileges.

YOUR only problem is MENTAL. You should learn to accept
change, not try to maintain old, trite, tired Beliefs of
long ago.

There's very little chance that changes in the rules of the amateur
radio service will have *any* effect on you, because
you're not a licensed radio amateur, and it doesn't appear
that you'll ever be one.


The morse code test WILL AFFECT new licensees.

You have your "affects" totally BACKWARD.

On top of that, you've tried more snide uncivil "civility" in
my "motivation" towards getting any amateur radio license.

NO ONE is required to toady up to some already-licensed U.S.
radio amateur and HAVE to state "motivation." NOBODY.


FCC can also decide to change license privileges, subbands, etc., all
of which can have a profound affect on those who actually operate in
the licensed service.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about the MORSE CODE TEST, Jimmie.

The TEST. The TEST does NOT affect those ALREADY LICENSED.

The TEST affects those GETTING INTO U.S. amateur radio.

The ONLY "profound effect" [sic, not 'affect'] on those
ALREADY IN amateur radio is MENTAL. Each ALREADY LICENSED
amateur will have to work that out by themselves. The FCC
is NOT chartered as a mental correction aid agency.

Poor baby. All confused mentally and refusing to admit it!


Some days back, you posted a description of your experiences with
cb radio back in the late 1950s and early 1960s. You told us how
you installed a manufactured cb transceiver and antenna in your car and
used it. You told us the performance was *excellent* - for about four
years. Then it wasn't so excellent anymore.

Where did the excellence go, Len?


It went to the Chevrolet auto dealer in Canoga Park, CA, as a
trade-in. It was a 1953 Austin-Healey sports car with an
all-aluminum body (excellent ground plane). That "Healey"
got me an introduction to my first wife. She persuaded me to
buy the replacement 1961 Impala Convertible. She was diagnosed
with cancer soon after and died after a year. While the Johnson
Viking "Messenger" CB performed well in the Impala, I rather
lost interest in both personal radio use and that car after
that. Or do you "see" such an attitude, being the compleat
morseman you are?

There, aren't you HAPPY over having a newsgroup "opponent" go
through difficulties? Maybe you want an ice-cold emotionless
set of numbers of performance of the Viking Messenger now (I
still have that old radio)? It still meets manufacturers'
(and FCC) specifications.

Do you see how the same could happen to amateur radio?


NOT at all.

1. The 11 m amateur band of 1958 was taken away from amateurs
in the USA then, 47 years ago. It (and some other services)
were allocated to use part of it.

2. NPRM 05-235 is about the MORSE CODE TEST for a United States
radio amateur license examination. That has NOTHING to do
with "CB."

3. You try to connect (1) and (2) and there is NO possible
connection.

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.


Sigh...you have a rationalization for EVERY dumb thing you
connect, don't you?

The Sun can go nova! "I'm not saying that *will* happen,
just that it *could* happen."

A giant meteor can impact the Earth and cause widespread
devastation! "I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that
it *could* happen."

Morse code testing elimination would cause widespread suicides
of morsemen from "their world coming to an end!" "I'm not
saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen."

:-)


Existing licensees can be profoundly affected by rules changes.


Only MENTALLY. Their "radio world" would come to an end if
morse code testing stopped! Jimmie, do some post-grad work
in psychology...you could make a mint offering solace to
those poor, unfortunate depressed morsemen!

Since your are not a radio amateur and not likely to become one
regardless of rules changes, the NPRM results don't really affect you.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. I'm "not likely to become one regardless of
rules changes?!?"

Now you pretend to "know" the future as well as "motivation!"

Amazing gifts you think you have!

NPRM 05-235 is about MORSE CODE TESTING, Jimmie, NOT just
about ME. The point about eliminating the morse code test,
other than making the regulations better, is to give ALL
those interested in amateur radio the OPPORTUNITY to get into
it without that old, outdated, arbitrary manual test for
morsemanship.

There will be NO effect on operating privileges of already-
licensed amateurs due to elimination of the morse code test.
NONE


Judging by how often you call people by other than their legal names,
it's clear you have a lot of difficulty in that area.


Poor baby. "It's clear" you have some terrible, gnawing
dispute with anything I write in here. :-)


Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


No. All the readers in here have gotten YOUR "point."

If they don't agree with you, you blabber out lines and
lines and lines of misdirections, personal allegations,
dredge up old, old arguments to attempt re-arguing them
again.

NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements."


Neither was the previous restructuring NPRM. Yet you included
recommendations in your reply comments recommending such a limit.


I made that SUGGESTION on page 14 of my 14-page Reply to
Comments of Deignan, shown in the ECFS as of 13 January
1999. That was over six years ago. I have NOT pursued
that since except for the accusations leveled at me in
here. The "Restructuring" Report and Order came out in
late December, 1999, as FCC 99-412. I have NOT pressed
that point with the FCC since...except YOU have to drag it
out and drag it out and drag it out until that poor dead
horse has been hammered into a stain on this old highway.

"Sweetums," you want to rehash OLD stuff? You DO? Okay,
I'll try to hound you about NEVER serving your country in
the military every time you make some pontifical remark
showing your "military expertise."


But you have "a problem" with 13 year olds getting amateur radio
licenses.


No. I have a "problem" with mental 13-year-olds in here
posing as adults and who ask all sorts of inane "questions"
(that were already answered a priori) and make all kinds of
accusations...all of which may be summed up as HECKLING.

I'm not the one recommending an age requirement for a US amateur radio
license. You are.


I DID. I dropped it after 13 January 1999.

That was OVER SIX YEARS ago.

You are STILL OFFENDED over that!

So...maybe you LIKE talking to 13-year-olds on the radio using
radiotelegraphy that makes all age clues meaningless?

Does that satisfy some internal desires of yours?

"I'm just asking some questions."


That's right. Your postings are fair game for comment and
question by others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They
are not immune to question and/or debate.


Wow! You've FINALLY gotten the picture, Judge! :-)

Tsk, tsk. You forgot to add in the part where, if YOU ask
someone something they MUST answer or you will make tens
of thousands of words in messaging if you don't get the
answers you WANT! :-)


Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


It really *is* all about money to you, Len.


Oh, oh, the commie sympathizer comes out of his closet in PA?

Well, that's a sure indication YOU don't have as much money
as YOU want. :-)

Yup...and it shows you HATE professionals for some reason.

Odd, because you claim to BE a professional in electronics.
Us readers don't know WHERE since you won't mention your
employer...not here, not to the FCC. You must be working
under a ton of non-disclosure agreements...tsk, tsk.

I'm "all about money?" Not really. Got some. Spent some.
Dropped $1100 last week at CompUSA-GoodGuys for a 27" HD
LCD flat panel TV this week and it works just dandy. [it
doesn't do morse code so I guess you wouldn't be interested
in it]

I haven't made a single cent posting in here or filing with
the FCC (negative cash flow there). Someone pay YOU to post
in here? Someone pay you NOT to file with the FCC?


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.


Why? Those changes won't affect you.


They MAY. They WILL affect all those who desire to enter HF
amateur radio without taking a code test.

Other than mentally, emotionally, how will the removal of the
morse code test affect YOU? It won't remove any of your
operating privileges, won't make you re-test.

Oh, I understand now. Removal of the code test will deflate
the self-importance you assume as a mighty macho morseman
stressing the "importance" and "necessity" of morsemanship in
amateur radio! That would be a PROFOUND change to you
emotionally! Can't have the government make you feel bad,
can we?

Yes, removal of the code test will remove one of the key
tools of your CONTROL-oriented personality, the one where you
can assume the high horse and dictate how others MUST do!

There's always been a code test for radio amateurs, you
took one and passed, and by God and St. Hiram, so others
must DO as you did! Vital. Necessity. Follow orders.
Beat the drum constantly in the morse rhythm.

beep beep



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wrote:
From: on Oct 29, 4:44 am

wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:


It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is.


Well, at least you finally admit to that plain and simple fact.


Let's see...Google accepts MY postings only under my IEEE
alias and I "sign" every "score card" with
."

WHO would be posting a "score card" under my name if
NOT me? :-)


I've seen none other than yours. Perhaps Jim is "seeing" things.

Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.


WHO else, Jimmie?


"Persons of Interest."

You are begining to sound like Dudly the Imposter in here,
always NON-specific but alleging you "know" someone else.


Translation for Jim: Dudley the Imposter IS K4YZ.

You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.


MISTAKE. ERROR. I'm telling the Federal Communications
Commission (a U.S. federal government agency) what I think
the regulations on GETTING INTO amateur radio "should be."
[i.e., my desires]


Hey, the government did ask, right?

Tsk. I could NOT "tell you anything" about amateur radio or
anything else if it was against what you wrote in here. You
would spend days, weeks, even years arguing over a "discussion"
as you did on "age requirements" LONG AFTER I dropped it. :-)


Yep, he's on another thread singing "ebony and ivory" about the
"anonymizing" nature of Morse Code.

The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.


Tsk, tsk, I'm USED to heckling, catcalls, booing from the
peanut gallery in computer-modem communications. Been doing
that since early December, 1984.

YOU are one of the hecklers.


But Len, Jim is one of the most polite hecklers I've ever seen. I
wonder when he'll pull an Al Franken and tackle you?

Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?


James P. Micollis, the one whose legal address given to the FCC
is at 136 Morningside Circle, Wayne, PA 19087.

Are YOU this same "James P. Miccolis?"

Answer truthfully. Any false responses will be treated to 23 years
of heckling... ;-)


He knows who he is and he knows that you're referring to Jim as Jimmie
and James. Proof: He answers all such postings.

ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.


Tsk, tsk. That ANSWER was clearly given in the Notes on each
"score card" posting since the first one. You did not seem to
understand it. Why did you keep on asking, keep on asking,
keep on asking? Disk record broken?


Jim can't handle not being answered. He is too important to be
ignored.

But I, Jim/N2EY, am simply asking questions about your 'scorecard'
process, and pointing out the *potential* for inaccuracy.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. The plain simple fact is that I am giving you
ANSWERS to stupid questions whose answers were in plain sight
in every "score card" posting I've done.


It's all in the "fine print," even though usenet makes it all the same
font size.

That sort of thing seems to really bother you, Len.


Poor baby. You keep asking all these inane questions. Why?

Are you afraid of the RESULTS of the opinions of the "amateur
community" being against your amateur Beliefs? Sure seems
that way.


Only Christian Belief Systems are open to redicule. All others are
sacred.

But, you've NOT made one single filing on WT Docket 05-235 as
of 5 PM EDT on 28 October 2005.


So? Is the filing of comments with FCC a requirement for asking
questions and posting comments here?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?

:-)


Must not be important to Jim.

Who made you the moderator?


The same one who made YOU "moderator!" :-)


Maybe not. Jim is self-appointed.

In fact, the LAST time you
filed ANYTHING with the FCC ECFS was over 12 months ago on a
Petition. Tsk, tsk.


What's so "tsk tsk" about that?


Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?


True enough.

Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims."


Yes, you are, Len. You're claiming your 'scorecard' is accurate
but you won't answer questions about how it is prepared.


1. The "answers" were ALREADY POSTED in each of the "score cards"
I put up via Google. Well before you "asked" for the first
one.

2. You've gotten answers to your (petulant, whiny, accusatory)
"questions" in here...but you sure as hell don't LIKE them!

That may be changing, which is a good thing.


Who appoint you "judge" of what is "a good thing" or a "bad thing?"

3. The attitude towards morse code testing in the U.S. amateur
community has been CHANGING all along...AWAY from the old,
Old, OLD standards and practices. That seems to **** you off
greatly and makes you petulant, whiny, and accusatory. Tsk.


I think I'll study up and pass Extra before Jim's lack of support
allows the ARS to be watered down even more. I'm gonna be an
Extra-lite before it becomes and Extra-minus so I can brag about how
good I used to be. Hi!

Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are telling me to SHUT UP! [but are attempting
to disguise it with uncivil "civil phrases"]


Yep. You juss got towld to "Shut Up!"

You seem to want everyone to just accept what you write here
without question, even though you don't behave that way
towards others. Doesn't work that way.


ERROR! MISTAKE!! Sorry, dearie, but it DOES work that way.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did God appoint YOU as "judge" of "what works"
and "doesn't work" in here? [He didn't tell me that this
morning] Do you have a Certificate of Licensure (suitable for
framing) from a Divine Authority granting you "judgement"
capability on who posts what? I don't think so...


Jim thinks of himself as Godless. But he thinks pretty highly of
himself.

All this "tif for tat." Can't keep up. Jim must be retired now, too.

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Old October 31st 05, 06:25 AM
 
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From: on Oct 30, 2:15 pm

wrote:
From: on Oct 29, 4:44 am
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:



It's about *your* 'scorecard', Len.


Yes, it is.


Well, at least you finally admit to that plain and simple fact.


Let's see...Google accepts MY postings only under my IEEE
alias and I "sign" every "score card" with
."


WHO would be posting a "score card" under my name if
NOT me? :-)


I've seen none other than yours. Perhaps Jim is "seeing" things.


Well, maybe he was told by Dudly the Imposter's buddie...the
one that said 'I was trying to hire into NADC in PA' and
'wasn't performing well while I was there' in 1971 (34 years
ago!). :-)

Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.


WHO else, Jimmie?


"Persons of Interest."


The only "persons of interest" I know are my financial advisers
at Bank of America. Whoops, now I did it...Jimmie will say
"I'm all about money!" :-)


You are begining to sound like Dudly the Imposter in here,
always NON-specific but alleging you "know" someone else.


Translation for Jim: Dudley the Imposter IS K4YZ.



You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.


MISTAKE. ERROR. I'm telling the Federal Communications
Commission (a U.S. federal government agency) what I think
the regulations on GETTING INTO amateur radio "should be."
[i.e., my desires]


Hey, the government did ask, right?


Yup. But, the resident PCTA in here absolutely FORBID
comment about getting into amateur radio if one is not
already IN amateur radio!

It's a "chicken and egg" thing. They are too chicken to
argue with those against morse code testing and, if they
do, they get egg on their face...


Tsk. I could NOT "tell you anything" about amateur radio or
anything else if it was against what you wrote in here. You
would spend days, weeks, even years arguing over a "discussion"
as you did on "age requirements" LONG AFTER I dropped it. :-)


Yep, he's on another thread singing "ebony and ivory" about the
"anonymizing" nature of Morse Code.


Really? I always imagined he had a BAD voice and had to resort
to manual morse in order to "sound good."


The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.


Tsk, tsk, I'm USED to heckling, catcalls, booing from the
peanut gallery in computer-modem communications. Been doing
that since early December, 1984.


YOU are one of the hecklers.


But Len, Jim is one of the most polite hecklers I've ever seen. I
wonder when he'll pull an Al Franken and tackle you?


We'll see. I'm not familiar with Franken since his failed
half-hour comedy sitcom a few seasons back.


Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?


James P. Micollis, the one whose legal address given to the FCC
is at 136 Morningside Circle, Wayne, PA 19087.


Are YOU this same "James P. Miccolis?"


Answer truthfully. Any false responses will be treated to 23 years
of heckling... ;-)


He knows who he is and he knows that you're referring to Jim as Jimmie
and James. Proof: He answers all such postings.


heh heh heh...all the readers in here can SEE that...


ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.


Tsk, tsk. That ANSWER was clearly given in the Notes on each
"score card" posting since the first one. You did not seem to
understand it. Why did you keep on asking, keep on asking,
keep on asking? Disk record broken?


Jim can't handle not being answered. He is too important to be
ignored.


El Jefe muy importante!


But I, Jim/N2EY, am simply asking questions about your 'scorecard'
process, and pointing out the *potential* for inaccuracy.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. The plain simple fact is that I am giving you
ANSWERS to stupid questions whose answers were in plain sight
in every "score card" posting I've done.


It's all in the "fine print," even though usenet makes it all the same
font size.


You're right...and Jimmie keeps sticking his font in his mouth...


That sort of thing seems to really bother you, Len.


Poor baby. You keep asking all these inane questions. Why?


Are you afraid of the RESULTS of the opinions of the "amateur
community" being against your amateur Beliefs? Sure seems
that way.


Only Christian Belief Systems are open to redicule. All others are
sacred.


It's sad to see a seminary kick-out behave that way... :-(



Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?


:-)


Must not be important to Jim.


True. He likes to sit in HERE and heckle to his heart's content!



Tsk, tsk, tsk. After the tens of thousands of whiny, petulant
words, accusations, and implications in HERE, you can't even
make ONE filing on WT Docket 05-235 on MORSE CODE TESTING?!?


True enough.


Maybe "Mr. Insider" has a "private ear" at the FCC?



3. The attitude towards morse code testing in the U.S. amateur
community has been CHANGING all along...AWAY from the old,
Old, OLD standards and practices. That seems to **** you off
greatly and makes you petulant, whiny, and accusatory. Tsk.


I think I'll study up and pass Extra before Jim's lack of support
allows the ARS to be watered down even more. I'm gonna be an
Extra-lite before it becomes and Extra-minus so I can brag about how
good I used to be. Hi!


Sounds like a Plan! :-)


Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are telling me to SHUT UP! [but are attempting
to disguise it with uncivil "civil phrases"]


Yep. You juss got towld to "Shut Up!"


Right ON!



All this "tif for tat." Can't keep up. Jim must be retired now, too.


Either that or he spends ALL his time in front of a computer screen.

The other night he was up till nearly midnight, east coast time,
busy busy busy with message making.

Hey! Maybe if Dudly finds his WF orgy partner, he can get her
sister to snack up with Jimmie? :-)

...or even her brother? :-)

Ah, the mental pictures that evokes! Heh heh heh heh.

bit bit


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wrote:
From: on Oct 29, 4:44 am
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Oct 27 2005 3:41 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 25 2005 2:30 am
wrote:
From: on Oct 24, 3:39 am
Alun L. Palmer wrote:


Did you think someone ELSE bothered to read ALL
the filings on WT Docket 05-235 and compile a day-by-day
tabulation of them?


I don't think that. I know it's true. I've seen the compilation
done by someone else and it's more informative than yours.


WHO else, Jimmie?


A licensed radio amateur with experience in the field. Somebody
whose methods of analyzing the comments may be much more
accurate than yours.

You are begining to sound like Dudly the Imposter in here,
always NON-specific but alleging you "know" someone else.


The information is available to all who will look for it. Easier to
access than ECFS. You've claimed years and years of
experience in "computer-modem communications", yet you
can't find it? I am surprised.

You've never been a radio amateur but you tell us How Amateur
Radio Should Be. Which is your right of free speech.


MISTAKE. ERROR.


It's not your right of free speech?

I'm telling the Federal Communications
Commission (a U.S. federal government agency) what I think
the regulations on GETTING INTO amateur radio "should be."
[i.e., my desires]


How does your posting a 'scorecard' *here* tell the FCC anything,
Len?

Your posts *here* are full of your ideas about How Amateur Radio
Should Be. Your comments to FCC are full of your ideas about
How Amateur Radio Should Be. By definition.

Tsk. I could NOT "tell you anything" about amateur radio or
anything else if it was against what you wrote in here.


Posting is telling everyone who reads your words. They don't
have to agree with what you tell them, but you're telling them
just the same.

So you've already told me and others a lot about amateur
radio - and a lot of other things. The truth of what you've told
is a different issue...

You
would spend days, weeks, even years arguing over a "discussion"
as you did on "age requirements" LONG AFTER I dropped it. :-)


If you had really "dropped it", there would be no discussion....

You've spent most of a decade on usenet arguing against a simple
test for a license in a radio service with which you have no
involvement. That's your right, of course, but it is kind of odd
behavior. You must be very invested *emotionally*...

The thing you seem to have trouble with is when others use their
right of free speech.


Tsk, tsk, I'm USED to heckling, catcalls, booing from the
peanut gallery in computer-modem communications. Been doing
that since early December, 1984.


You've been doing heckling, catcalls, and booing from the
peanut gallery in computer-modem communications since 1984, eh?
After all, you said you've been doing it since early December 1984...

One would think that with all that experience you could find the
'scorecard' of which I wrote.

YOU are one of the hecklers.


How? Show us your definition of "heckler" and how it applies.

The definition I've always seen describes a "heckler" as
someone from the audience who calls out to an onstage
performer with derogatory remarks and insults.

I don't do that. If anyone in rrap is the master of
derogatory remarks, it's you, Len.

But more important is the fact that you're not an
onstage performer here. This is a completely different
sort of venue, where opposing opinions (like mine)
aren't "heckling".

Who is "Jimmie-James", Len? An imaginary friend of yours?


James P. Micollis, the one whose legal address given to the FCC
is at 136 Morningside Circle, Wayne, PA 19087.


No one by that name lives at this address. I live there.

Are YOU this same "James P. Miccolis?"


What do you think? Perhaps you could check your spelling...

ALL of them. Even those filings
which aren't about amateur radio! :-)


Finally! An answer to a straightforward question! Thank you.


Tsk, tsk. That ANSWER was clearly given in the Notes on each
"score card" posting since the first one.


No, it wasn't.

You did not seem to
understand it.


The notes are not clear.

Tsk, tsk...I'm NOT "making claims."


Yes, you are, Len. You're claiming your 'scorecard' is accurate
but you won't answer questions about how it is prepared.


1. The "answers" were ALREADY POSTED in each of the "score cards"
I put up via Google. Well before you "asked" for the first
one.


Those "answers" aren't clear.

2. You've gotten answers to your (petulant, whiny, accusatory)
"questions" in here...but you sure as hell don't LIKE them!

That may be changing, which is a good thing.


Who appoint you "judge" of what is "a good thing" or a "bad thing?"


Same person who made *you* the judge.

3. The attitude towards morse code testing in the U.S. amateur
community has been CHANGING all along...AWAY from the old,
Old, OLD standards and practices.


Really? How do you know?

Compare the percentages of commenters supporting Morse Code testing
in 1998-1999 with those of the current NPRM. How much difference
is there *really*?

And even *your* 'scorecard' shows the majority support at least some
code
testing, and oppose its complete elimination (as proposed in the NPRM).

How about that? Your desires are in the *minority*, Len!

You claim: "The attitude towards morse code testing in the U.S. amateur
community has been CHANGING all along..." but when it comes to the
actual
comments even your flawed counting method shows the majority does *not*
support the NPRM.

That seems to **** you off
greatly and makes you petulant, whiny, and accusatory. Tsk.


I'm not the one yelling and calling people names, Len. You are.

Here's another solution, Len: If you don't want commentary on
things you post, don't post them.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are telling me to SHUT UP! [but are attempting
to disguise it with uncivil "civil phrases"]


Not at all. I'm simply offering a solution to your problem. You can
post
all you want - but that means you'll have to put up with opposing
commentary. Deal with it.

You seem to want everyone to just accept what you write here
without question, even though you don't behave that way
towards others. Doesn't work that way.


ERROR! MISTAKE!! Sorry, dearie, but it DOES work that way.


What you want is different from the way things actually work, Len.

You may *want* everyone to just accept what you write here, but
they may not.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did God appoint YOU as "judge" of "what works"
and "doesn't work" in here? [He didn't tell me that this
morning] Do you have a Certificate of Licensure (suitable for
framing) from a Divine Authority granting you "judgement"
capability on who posts what? I don't think so...


I'm just telling you how it is, Len.

That seems to unduly upset you. Tsk. If it bothers you so
much, just stop reading this thread! [easy solution to your
apparent problem]


You are the one getting upset, Len. Not me.


"Upset?" No.


Yes. You're all worked up - it comes through clearly in your mistakes,
name calling, shouting, insults, uncivil behavior, etc.

YOU are NOT in the FCC. YOU are NOT on the ARRL BoD.


Neither are you, Len.


That doesn't explain why YOU constantly pretend to be "judge"
and try to make nasty to others who state opinions contrary to
what YOU find "objectionable."


"make nasty"? How? Looks to me like you consider any disagreement
with your views to be "making nasty".

There are NO RULES in "score card" postings other than what
the poster places in public view. I have done that. Since
the first "score card" posting.


Your "rules" don't explain a lot of things, Len.

The Notes given with each
"card" are clear and comprehensive.


No, they're not.

"Asking for clarification" of yours is nothing more than adult-
language puerile petulant HECKLING done for malicious intent
of your own.


How is asking for clarification "heckling"?

Nobody checks your work.


*I* check my work.


OK then - nobody *else* checks your work.

YOU don't like it, go do your OWN scoring.


Is that a command?

Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for"
filings?


Tsk, tsk...you understand very poorly.


Incorrect. I understand very well. You explain very poorly.


Poor baby. Always trying to make yourself the "superior."


I don't have to "try", Len ;-)

You don't get the answers you WANT, so you bitch and whine
and get all snarly about "poor explanations!"

Sorry, but the Nun of the Above can't elevate herself to
Mother Superior.


Do they show up as a count of 1 or 5 on the tally of "for" filings?

I've already said I count ALL the filings.


In other words, your own comments and reply comments are counted as 5
filings *for* the NPRM, not 1. Also means you're counting the multiple
filings of others, including one person who was "for" the NPRM and
filed no less than 17 filings.


Tsk, tsk, tsk...my Notes said that DUPLICATES would be counted
as "Indeterminate" category and not used for the Percentage
figures. Clearly.


Not "clearly", because you don't define what a "duplicate" really is.
If the
same person files comments that are not identical, do you count them as
duplicates? Or are they separate comments and counted as such?

Your tally indicates that you don't count nonidentical filings by the
same
person as duplicates.

The duplicate filer For the NPRM gives his name as Vincent
Garcell.


17 filings!

Another one Against the NPRM, with 13 total filings,
is Dwayne Sparks.


How about Leonard H. Anderson, who has 6 filings? Do they show
up as a count of 1 or 6 on the tally of "for" filings? I think you
count them as 6 in the "for" column because they're not identical
and hence not duplicates.

The ECFS totals ALL of the filings in one Docket on any Search.


You can select the type of filings, though. You could just look at
Comments rather than all filings.

It doesn't discriminate against filings which aren't even about
amateur radio! Perhaps you ought to bitch and whine to the FCC
and Tell Them What To Do!

An alternative compilation that I have seen indicates multiple filings
by the same person. Last time I looked, multiple filings by those "for"
the NPRM exceeded multiple filings by those "against" it by at least 32
comments. That's about 1%.


Hey, Dudly II, WHOSE "alternative compilation?"


Who is "Dudly II", Len?

WHOSE. Where
is this alleged "alternative compilation" to be found?


On the website of the person who compiled it. Can't you find it?

Why am I supposed to follow the "rules" of this "alternate
compilation?"


You don't have to, Len. But your scorecard would be more accurate
if you did.

So your counting method overstates the support for the NPRM by at least
that percentage.


Well then, go BITCH to the FCC and NTIA (who govern part of the
U.S. Internet) that I am being terribly "dishonest" and have me
thrown off the 'net or something! :-)


Why? You're the source of the inaccuracy, so I'm telling you. Can't you
deal with an opposing opinion? Can't you accept change and go with a
better method?

You post your results to four significant figures, yet if your counting
method is as described above, it's inaccurate by at least 1% from that
one source of error.


You make a lot of noise about amateur radio but you've never been a
radio amateur. And from all appearances you're never going to get an
amateur radio license.


As you've pointed out (more than once), the "score card" is
MINE, isn't it? :-) If so, then I make up the rules,
don't I? :-) You don't like the results? Don't read the
"score card."


What you're really saying is that you cannot tolerate
opposing opinions, questions, or facts that contradict your
assertions.


WRONG.


Then why do you carry on so about a few questions and observations?
Why all the name calling and diversion rather than answering some
questions?

In the first few weeks of posting the "score card," the
only REAL questions appearing in the threads were those of
accessing the ECFS and how to file. By others. And answered
by another besides myself.


So?

After the "score card" format change due to LATE notice in the
Federal Register, suddenly YOU appear with all the allegations
of inhonesty, "questions" on procedure, etc., etc., etc. :-)


Is there a time limit on newsgroup responses?

YOUR whole purpose with those "questions" seems to be with your
on-going dissatisfaction with ANYTHING I post in here.


Not "anything", Len. Just some of your inaccuracies and mistakes.

Can't you take an opposing opinion?

There is the question of "motivation" for your harrassment.


Dear me, now an opposing opinion and some facts are
"harrassment"?

Why are you so OBSESSED with trying to toss me off?


I'm not trying to "toss you off" anything, Len. I'm just trying
to discuss the accuracy of your "scorecard". But you
seem to have enormous trouble dealing with opposing
opinions.

The results of the NPRM and its final Report and Order will
NOT AFFECT YOU, will it?


It may. Changes in the rules of the amateur radio service may
have a profound effect on me, because I'm an active licensed
radio amateur.


Then seek MENTAL counseling.


Why?

There is NOTHING to deny present-
day privileges to ALREADY-LICENSED U.S. radio amateurs in
NPRM 05-143. There are NO statements of ALREADY-LICENSED
amateurs having to do a single test or examination in order to
continue their existing privileges.


That's true, but it's not the point.

YOUR only problem is MENTAL.


Really?

You should learn to accept
change, not try to maintain old, trite, tired Beliefs of
long ago.


Why should I accept changes that are unnecessary?
Why should I accept changes that are detrimental to the
Amateur Radio Service?
Why should something be discarded just because it's old?

There's very little chance that changes in the rules of the amateur
radio service will have *any* effect on you, because
you're not a licensed radio amateur, and it doesn't appear
that you'll ever be one.


The morse code test WILL AFFECT new licensees.


And existing ones. But it almost certainly won't affect you, Len.
You're not an existing licensee nor are you likely to be a new one.

You have your "affects" totally BACKWARD.


Not at all.

On top of that, you've tried more snide uncivil "civility" in
my "motivation" towards getting any amateur radio license.


How? It's quite obvious you don't want such a license and will
probably never get one.

NO ONE is required to toady up to some already-licensed U.S.
radio amateur and HAVE to state "motivation." NOBODY.


You don't have to state your "motivation". But it does seem odd that
you won't state why you're so obsessed with a license test for a
license you don't seem to want, and which has no effect on you at all.

FCC can also decide to change license privileges, subbands, etc., all
of which can have a profound affect on those who actually operate in
the licensed service.


NPRM 05-143 is solely about the MORSE CODE TEST, Jimmie.


FCC isn't limited to the terms of an NPRM. Look at what happened in
1999. They proposed four license classes but the R&O reduced it to
three.

The TEST. The TEST does NOT affect those ALREADY LICENSED.


Yes, it does. If a change affects the amateur radio service itself, it
affects
those already licensed.

The TEST affects those GETTING INTO U.S. amateur radio.


But not only them.

And since you're clearly not one of them, why do you care so much?

The ONLY "profound effect" [sic, not 'affect'] on those
ALREADY IN amateur radio is MENTAL.


Incorrect.

Each ALREADY LICENSED
amateur will have to work that out by themselves. The FCC
is NOT chartered as a mental correction aid agency.

Poor baby. All confused mentally and refusing to admit it!


Not me, Len.

Some days back, you posted a description of your experiences with
cb radio back in the late 1950s and early 1960s. You told us how
you installed a manufactured cb transceiver and antenna in your car and
used it. You told us the performance was *excellent* - for about four
years. Then it wasn't so excellent anymore.


Here's that description again:

"One of the first signs of that outside amateur radio was the
USA's creation of Class C and D CB in 1958. NO test of
any kind, just a Restricted Radiotelephone license form needed
for anyone to use the 22 channels (23rd shared with radio control).
Excellent in large urban areas before the offshore products appeared
about four years later and the trucking industry started buying them."

Where did the excellence go, Len?


It went to the Chevrolet auto dealer in Canoga Park, CA, as a
trade-in.


Your cb radio was traded in at a car dealership?

It was a 1953 Austin-Healey sports car with an
all-aluminum body (excellent ground plane).


Terrible for magmounts, though.

That "Healey"
got me an introduction to my first wife. She persuaded me to
buy the replacement 1961 Impala Convertible. She was diagnosed
with cancer soon after and died after a year.


I am sorry for your loss.

While the Johnson
Viking "Messenger" CB performed well in the Impala, I rather
lost interest in both personal radio use and that car after
that. Or do you "see" such an attitude, being the compleat
morseman you are?


Here's what I "saw", Len:

"One of the first signs of that outside amateur radio was the
USA's creation of Class C and D CB in 1958. NO test of
any kind, just a Restricted Radiotelephone license form needed
for anyone to use the 22 channels (23rd shared with radio control).
Excellent in large urban areas before the offshore products appeared
about four years later and the trucking industry started buying them."

That's from your post on the subject, a few days ago. No mention of a
trade-in or your first wife. The excellence you wrote about was cb.

And the fact remains that cb quickly went downhill in the late 1960s
and early 1970s - about the same time frame as what you describe.

You can read your original post he

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en

There, aren't you HAPPY over having a newsgroup "opponent" go
through difficulties?


No. Not at all.

Maybe you want an ice-cold emotionless
set of numbers of performance of the Viking Messenger now (I
still have that old radio)?


Why?

It still meets manufacturers'
(and FCC) specifications.


But I don't think you use it.

Your '53 Healey was a classic sports car. Maybe not the fastest or most
powerful thing on four wheels but definitely a classic - and classy
too. Fun in the tradition of a Triumph or MG.

I am somewhat surprised that you still have the Johnson Viking
Messenger, though. The thing has *vacuum tubes*, right? (At least the
early Messengers did).

Of course the Johnson Viking Messenger is interesting from an
historical POV because it was such a departure for the company. Instead
of a big desk-crushing VFO transmitter, they built a compact
lightweight transceiver of pretty good quality. And it still works!

So I guess it's not so surprising that for more than 40 years you've
held onto one of the smallest Johnsons ever produced.

Do you see how the same could happen to amateur radio?


NOT at all.


How can you can guarantee that what happened to cb cannot happen to
amateur radio?

1. The 11 m amateur band of 1958 was taken away from amateurs
in the USA then, 47 years ago. It (and some other services)
were allocated to use part of it.


That's right. FCC made a big mistake doing that - one they're still
trying to deal with.

2. NPRM 05-235 is about the MORSE CODE TEST for a United States
radio amateur license examination. That has NOTHING to do
with "CB."


Not directly. But there is a definite connection.

3. You try to connect (1) and (2) and there is NO possible
connection.


Of course there's a possible connection. If the loss of the Morse Code
test causes
amateur radio to become more like cb, it will have a profound effect on
*existing*
amateur radio operators. If the amateur bands become like the cb
channels, existing amateurs will be affected.

Maybe you want the amateur bands to become like the cb channels..

I'm not saying that *will* happen, just that it *could* happen.


Existing licensees can be profoundly affected by rules changes.


Only MENTALLY.


Nope. The effects can be much more. Do you want 40 meters to
sound like the 40 cb channels?

Their "radio world" would come to an end if
morse code testing stopped!


Not mine. I'll go right on enjoying Morse Code and Amateur Radio as
long as possible.

Since your are not a radio amateur and not likely to become one
regardless of rules changes, the NPRM results don't really affect you.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. I'm "not likely to become one regardless of
rules changes?!?"


That's right. It's very unlikely that you'll ever become a licensed
radio amateur. Your behavior proves it.

So the only way the elimination of the Morse Code test will
affect you is mentally and emotionally.

Now you pretend to "know" the future as well as "motivation!"


I'm saying it's very unlikely, that's all.

NPRM 05-235 is about MORSE CODE TESTING, Jimmie, NOT just
about ME. The point about eliminating the morse code test,
other than making the regulations better,


Who made you the judge about what is "better", Len?

is to give ALL
those interested in amateur radio the OPPORTUNITY to get into
it without that old, outdated, arbitrary manual test for
morsemanship.


All those interested have had the opportunity to "get into" amateur
radio without a Morse Code test since February 14, 1991.

But you haven't taken advantage of that opportunity, Len. Nor of the
opportunity that has existed since 1990 to get full privileges with
only a 5 wpm code test.

There will be NO effect on operating privileges of already-
licensed amateurs due to elimination of the morse code test.
NONE


Can you guarantee that?

And it's not just operating privileges that are effects of such a
change.

Here's an analogy:

You've told us of your house on Lanark Street - how much you paid for
it, how much it's worth now, the nearby gated community, etc.

I've never been to your house but I've been in the area. It's a safe
bet that your area is mostly single-family houses built after WW2, with
little or no commercial development. Also a safe bet that while there
may not be many CC&Rs, the zoning probably prevents much diversity of
development on your street. Little boxes on the hillside (actually at
the foot of the hill...)

Now suppose someone bought some properties near you - say next door or
across the street. And suppose they sought to tear down the existing
houses and build new ones that would change things on Lanark Street.
Suppose they wanted to put up multifamily townhomes, some as rentals
and some as condos. Some retail space too. Of course that would
probably take a zoning change.

Would you support and accept that sort of change, Len? After all, it
would give a lot more people the opportunity to get into your
neighborhood without the old, outdated, arbitrary necessity of a huge
down payment and massive mortgage. It would be an end to the old
arbitrary requirements of single-family houses, etc. It would not
directly affect *your* house - you're already there, established, etc.
The new rules would not touch your house. You wouldn't
give up anything except your mental image of the neighborhood.

Would you oppose or support that change?

Or suppose a licensed radio amateur moved in next door and wanted to
put up a few 70 foot towers with big beams (like K8MN's). Would that be
OK with you?

Judging by how often you call people by other than their legal names,
it's clear you have a lot of difficulty in that area.


Poor baby. "It's clear" you have some terrible, gnawing
dispute with anything I write in here. :-)

Y'know, Len, you seem to miss the point on a lot of things.


No. All the readers in here have gotten YOUR "point."

If they don't agree with you, you blabber out lines and
lines and lines of misdirections, personal allegations,
dredge up old, old arguments to attempt re-arguing them
again.


Your postings here exceed mine in number and length, Len.
You're describing yourself, not me.

You're really emotionally invested in rrap....

NPRM 05-143 is NOT about U.S. amateur radio license "age
requirements."


Neither was the previous restructuring NPRM. Yet you included
recommendations in your reply comments recommending such a limit.


I made that SUGGESTION on page 14 of my 14-page Reply to
Comments of Deignan, shown in the ECFS as of 13 January
1999.


Recommendation. And that NPRM wasn't about age requirements
at all. Plus Reply Comments are about replying to someone else's
comments, *not* about bringing up new issues for consideration
long after the comment period was over.

In fact, your *only* filing on that NPRM was those reply comments,
wasn't it? And despite your years of experience in computer-modem
communications, you couldn't manage to submit via ECFS back
then, even though thousands of us figured it out.

That was over six years ago.


So what? You repeatedly bring up stuff that's much older and even
less relevant.

I have NOT pursued
that since except for the accusations leveled at me in
here.


What "accusations", Len? The facts were presented and you confirmed
them. You even accused ARRL and some VEs of fraud and dishonest
over the licensing of some young amateurs.

You weren't at the VE session, don't know any of the people involved,
and yet you accused others of fraud.

And you claimed that because, in *your* opinion, 6-year-olds could not
understand the material on the test, no one under the age of 14 should
be allowed to hold an amateur radio license.

That's a fur piece from "dropping it".

The "Restructuring" Report and Order came out in
late December, 1999, as FCC 99-412.


So?

I have NOT pressed
that point with the FCC since...except YOU have to drag it
out and drag it out and drag it out until that poor dead
horse has been hammered into a stain on this old highway.


"old highway"? The "information superhighway"?

Truth is, you've repeatedly defended your position on the issue.
You didn't "drop it".

Now you *could* come out and say it was a bad idea and that
there should be no age requirements for an amateur radio license.

But I doubt you'll do that.

"Sweetums,"


Who is "Sweetums", Len?

you want to rehash OLD stuff?


Why not? You do it all the time.

You DO? Okay,
I'll try to hound you about NEVER serving your country in
the military


You do that already. I've never claimed any military service.

every time you make some pontifical remark
showing your "military expertise."


That would be never, Len. Because I don't claim "expertise" at
anything.

I do know a few things, though, and it really seems to tick you
off when one of your mistakes is pointed out. Like the in-service
dates of Soviet Bear bombers....

But you have "a problem" with 13 year olds getting amateur radio
licenses.


No.


Then you're saying there should not be any age requirement for an
amateur radio license.

I have a "problem" with mental 13-year-olds in here
posing as adults


It's not all about you, Len.

and who ask all sorts of inane "questions"
(that were already answered a priori) and make all kinds of
accusations...all of which may be summed up as HECKLING.


Not by any reasonable definition of heckling.

I'm not the one recommending an age requirement for a US amateur radio
license. You are.


I DID. I dropped it after 13 January 1999.


Yet you kept on defending it.

That was OVER SIX YEARS ago.


Your defense of it is a lot more recent.

You are STILL OFFENDED over that!


Not me. I just think it's a really bad idea.

So...maybe you LIKE talking to 13-year-olds on the radio using
radiotelegraphy that makes all age clues meaningless?


Why, yes! I enjoy using Morse Code to communicate with hams of
all ages. I've worked 10 year olds on Morse Code and 90+
year olds too. I've Elmered hams of all ages, too.

What matters to me is the person on the other end of the QSO, what
they have to say, and how much fun the whole process is. The other
ham's age is of vanishing importance to me.

Does that satisfy some internal desires of yours?


Working other hams is a lot of fun for me. This weekend is the CW SS.
I intend to work a lot of other hams using Morse Code. For fun.

"I'm just asking some questions."


Yep. Is that wrong?

That's right. Your postings are fair game for comment and
question by others. They are not somehow sacred and unimpeachable. They
are not immune to question and/or debate.


Wow! You've FINALLY gotten the picture, Judge! :-)


Tsk, tsk. You forgot to add in the part where, if YOU ask
someone something they MUST answer or you will make tens
of thousands of words in messaging if you don't get the
answers you WANT! :-)


That's what *you* do, Len.

Poor Jimmie? Double-degreed "engineer" and you can't MAKE
ENOUGH to spend over $100 on a rig? :-)


It really *is* all about money to you, Len.


Oh, oh, the commie sympathizer comes out of his closet in PA?


"Commie sympathizer"? That's almost funny! You really are clueless
if you'd call me that.

Well, that's a sure indication YOU don't have as much money
as YOU want. :-)


Who does? Do you?

I have enough. That's what's important. I'm also very wealthy in
things that cannot be bought.

Yup...and it shows you HATE professionals for some reason.


Not me. I am one!

Odd, because you claim to BE a professional in electronics.


Where?

I am a professional in electrical engineering. There's a lot more
to EE than "electronics".

Us readers don't know WHERE since you won't mention your
employer...not here, not to the FCC.


Why should I? Would it make any difference? Or would it simply
be something else for you to insult and denigrate?

Perhaps it's time to repost your classic "sphincters post", where you
denigrated and insulted the military service experiences of a US Coast
Guard radio operator.

I'm "all about money?"


I didn't say that.

I wrote:

"It really *is* all about money to you, Len."

And apparently, it is. Your behavior confirms it.

Not really. Got some. Spent some.
Dropped $1100 last week at CompUSA-GoodGuys for a 27" HD
LCD flat panel TV this week and it works just dandy.


See? There you go. Gotta mention what you bought and how much it
cost.

You sure seem to be one of those people who consider "net worth" and
"personal worth" to be synonymous....

[it
doesn't do morse code so I guess you wouldn't be interested
in it]


Doesn't make the programs any better, though. Mostly JUNK on TV...

I haven't made a single cent posting in here or filing with
the FCC (negative cash flow there). Someone pay YOU to post
in here? Someone pay you NOT to file with the FCC?


I want the FCC to make NPRM 05-143 into a Report and Order...without
changes to the basic precepts in the NPRM.


Why? Those changes won't affect you.


They MAY.


Very unlikely.

They WILL affect all those who desire to enter HF
amateur radio without taking a code test.


So? You're not one of them.

Other than mentally, emotionally, how will the removal of the
morse code test affect YOU?


If it damages the amateur radio service, it affects me.

It won't remove any of your
operating privileges, won't make you re-test.


I'm not afraid of any retest, Len. You
seem to be afraid of any test, though. Or any
question.

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