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K4YZ October 27th 05 11:50 AM

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Iitoi wrote:
Wrote:
Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 25 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 2892 916
Indeterminate (note 1) 180 69
Value for Percentages 2708 847
Against NPRM (note 2) 846 [30.26%] 294 [34.71%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1434 [52.95%] 398 [46.99%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 428 [15.81%] 155 [18.30%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 3 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.


Since the official publication in the Federal Register, the comments
seem to be turning "pro-code".

46.99% favor fully removing the cw test.
53.01% favor retaining some level of cw test.


Nothing like jabbing Lennie withn his own "research...

Allow me to add from Lennie's later post of the day:

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Scorecard in the NCTA v. PCTA Amateur Opinions on NPRM 05-143:

As of 26 Oct 05, WT Docket 05-235 Comments on Test Element 1
Elimination/Retention tabulation:

ALL to Date Since FR Notice
-------------- ---------------
Grand Total 3055 1079
Indeterminate (note 1) 192 81
Value for Percentages 2863 998
Against NPRM (note 2) 910 [31.78%] 355 [35.57%]
For NPRM (note 3) 1486 [51.90%] 450 [45.09%]
Test Extra Only (note 4) 467 [16.31%] 193 [19.33%]

This tabulation in agreement with FCC ECFS as of 8 PM EDT 26 Oct 05.

UNQUOTE.

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...Notice in the "ALL
to date" column, "support" (for the NPRM) dropped a whole percentage
point in only five hours per Lennie's reporting! And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

It's a good day.

73

Steve, K4YZ


RST Engineering October 27th 05 04:45 PM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
You just don't get it, do you Steve? This is not a poll or a vote. This is
the FCC asking for cogent, reasoned, logical discussion for doing or not
doing something. Read the responses and ask yourself who has the edge in
the discussion. From where I sit, it is about as clear cut as the Chicago
series.

Jim




With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...Notice in the "ALL
to date" column, "support" (for the NPRM) dropped a whole percentage
point in only five hours per Lennie's reporting! And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

It's a good day.

73

Steve, K4YZ




[email protected] October 27th 05 04:45 PM

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:45:12 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

You just don't get it, do you Steve? This is not a poll or a vote. This is
the FCC asking for cogent, reasoned, logical discussion for doing or not
doing something. Read the responses and ask yourself who has the edge in
the discussion. From where I sit, it is about as clear cut as the Chicago
series.


nope he doesn't get it indeed if it should happen that procode
coments should edge out no code coments then Stevie will be
complaining he was cheated for a few decades like some of the OT about
Incentive licenses

the "vote" count will likely count about the level as the better of
the coment but I have not seen anything new from the ProCode side in
them and those arguements are all ready shot down at the FCC

Jim




With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...Notice in the "ALL
to date" column, "support" (for the NPRM) dropped a whole percentage
point in only five hours per Lennie's reporting! And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.

It's a good day.

73

Steve, K4YZ



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K4YZ October 27th 05 05:59 PM

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RST Engineering wrote:
You just don't get it, do you Steve?


Sure I do, Jim, but I think you're the one who may be a bit
confused here.

This is not a poll or a vote. This is
the FCC asking for cogent, reasoned, logical discussion for doing or not
doing something.


Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.

The FCC is only incidentally involved as it is their numbers he
quotes.

Read the responses and ask yourself who has the edge in
the discussion. From where I sit, it is about as clear cut as the Chicago
series.


Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.

Thanks for stopping by.

73

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ October 27th 05 06:02 PM

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wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:45:12 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

You just don't get it, do you Steve? This is not a poll or a vote. This is
the FCC asking for cogent, reasoned, logical discussion for doing or not
doing something. Read the responses and ask yourself who has the edge in
the discussion. From where I sit, it is about as clear cut as the Chicago
series.


nope he doesn't get it indeed if it should happen that procode
coments should edge out no code coments then Stevie will be
complaining he was cheated for a few decades like some of the OT about
Incentive licenses


Now you're even more confused than Jim is, Markie.

the "vote" count will likely count about the level as the better of
the coment but I have not seen anything new from the ProCode side in
them and those arguements are all ready shot down at the FCC


You need to take those words and re-arrange them, Markie.

But as for any "vote", there is no "vote". Only percentages based
on very broad categories.

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] October 27th 05 06:08 PM

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On 27 Oct 2005 10:02:32 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:45:12 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

You just don't get it, do you Steve? This is not a poll or a vote. This is
the FCC asking for cogent, reasoned, logical discussion for doing or not
doing something. Read the responses and ask yourself who has the edge in
the discussion. From where I sit, it is about as clear cut as the Chicago
series.


nope he doesn't get it indeed if it should happen that procode
coments should edge out no code coments then Stevie will be
complaining he was cheated for a few decades like some of the OT about
Incentive licenses


Now you're even more confused than Jim is, Markie.


another flasehood on your part

I say a lie but it mught just be within the realm of opinion

the "vote" count will likely count about the level as the better of
the coment but I have not seen anything new from the ProCode side in
them and those arguements are all ready shot down at the FCC


You need to take those words and re-arrange them, Markie.


now you are lying

But as for any "vote", there is no "vote". Only percentages based
on very broad categories.

Steve, K4YZ


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[email protected] October 27th 05 06:09 PM

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On 27 Oct 2005 09:59:40 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


RST Engineering wrote:
You just don't get it, do you Steve?


Sure I do, Jim, but I think you're the one who may be a bit
confused here.


a Lie you don't get and your poroof it everytime you post

so the rest of your ****.....

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RST Engineering October 27th 05 07:24 PM

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"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.



Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.


Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.




Thanks for stopping by.



Don't mention it.

Jim



[email protected] October 27th 05 07:59 PM

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:24:00 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:


"K4YZ" wrote in message
roups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.


Stevie seems to think so

He certainly states it should be required to licenses for all sorts of
things, Posting, having kids or even opinion



Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.


Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.


I take issue with comparing vision to assholes in this manner many
visions a re at least quite pleasent (even the flawed visions can be
quite attractive till closely examained




Thanks for stopping by.



Don't mention it.

Jim


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Iitoi October 27th 05 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4YZ
With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...

The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

The Man in the Maze
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[email protected] October 27th 05 10:29 PM

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Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James


Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY


[email protected] October 27th 05 11:19 PM

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On 27 Oct 2005 14:29:50 -0700, wrote:

Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James


Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)

no you want the job
2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)


ys it would seem so

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)


well given the grading it would seem that they count as one unless
someone out there is submiting coments both For and Against code
testing

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?


by gut feeling

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me. Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.


you have your answers

BTW I thought I read you were leaving RRAP? what gives?

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments. They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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Dave Heil October 27th 05 11:43 PM

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RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...


Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.



I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual.


No kidding?

You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked.


No, you don't need any credentials to post but you'd better have some
knowledge of the material the group deals with. Feel free to post to a
group dealing with 17th century Chinese art but you'd better not attempt
coming off as an expert. You'll be seen as a fraud and no one will take
you seriously.

And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.


Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.

Dave K8MN

K4YZ October 28th 05 12:00 AM

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RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.


I am sure you do, Jim, but you summate my opinion on YOUR opinion
very well.

Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.


Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.


Thanks for stopping by.


Don't mention it.


I normally consider yours to be one of the more rational voices of
reason in this forum, Jim, but then I guess your last two posts pretty
well show that even the most reasoned of men just like to get in there
an toss a bit of mud from time to time, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


K4YZ October 28th 05 12:04 AM

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Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...


The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.


I statnd corrected...My apologies!

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


Or was Lennie just caught up in the heat of the moment, no longer
able to hide the change of the tide?

Steve, K4YZ


[email protected] October 28th 05 12:16 AM

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K4YZ wrote:

And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.


The ARRL e-newsletter came out.


[email protected] October 28th 05 12:21 AM

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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:43:33 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...


Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.



I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual.


No kidding?

You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked.


No, you don't need any credentials to post but you'd better have some
knowledge of the material the group deals with. Feel free to post to a
group dealing with 17th century Chinese art but you'd better not attempt
coming off as an expert. You'll be seen as a fraud and no one will take
you seriously.


and how are you conecting this the the thread at a hand

And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.


Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.

Dave K8MN


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[email protected] October 28th 05 12:22 AM

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:00:39 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


RST Engineering wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual. You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked. And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.


I am sure you do, Jim, but you summate my opinion on YOUR opinion
very well.


summate?

Everyone sees things as they will, Jim. I am sure you "vision" is
as clear as anyone else's from THEIR perspective at any given moment.


Visions and opinions are much like assholes -- everybody has one, and most
of them stink. Mine included.


Thanks for stopping by.


Don't mention it.


I normally consider yours to be one of the more rational voices of
reason in this forum, Jim, but then I guess your last two posts pretty
well show that even the most reasoned of men just like to get in there
an toss a bit of mud from time to time, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ


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[email protected] October 28th 05 12:23 AM

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:16:26 -0700, wrote:


K4YZ wrote:

And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.


The ARRL e-newsletter came out.


that would explain a lot

interesting that Stevie wasn't bright enough to notice this point

would be even if you could confirm said e-letter had something about
the NPRM in it just for completeness sack

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[email protected] October 28th 05 12:27 AM

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Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...


The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.


Hi! Steve prides hisself on correcting others misspellings.

I wonder if James will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


He sure won't do the required footwork himself to verify Len's tally.
And in the past he and the other MMMM have challenged him based upon
the latter.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ


--
Iitoi



[email protected] October 28th 05 12:33 AM

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wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James


Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)


We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)


You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)


You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?


You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.


Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.


But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.


Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.


What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?


[email protected] October 28th 05 12:36 AM

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On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James


Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".


I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)


We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)


You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)


You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?


You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.


Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.


But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.


Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.


What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?


obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len

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[email protected] October 28th 05 12:36 AM

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K4YZ wrote:
Iitoi wrote:
K4YZ Wrote:

With THESE numbers, "Litoi", it's even better...


The name is Iitoi, not Litoi.


I statnd corrected...My apologies!


"stand"


[email protected] October 28th 05 12:48 AM

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wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 16:16:26 -0700,
wrote:

K4YZ wrote:

And the support FOR
code testing in that five hours in the "Since Notice" column jumped
almost 3 points.


The ARRL e-newsletter came out.


that would explain a lot


Complete with a clickable link to the FCC comment page and instructions
how to do it.

interesting that Stevie wasn't bright enough to notice this point


Interesting that Steve didn't get the e-mail. He made such a stink
about me getting the annual dues amount incorrect, and he doesn't even
get the ARRL e-newsletter.

Hmmmm? Is Steve even an ARRL member?

would be even if you could confirm said e-letter had something about
the NPRM in it just for completeness sack


Had -something- about??? It was ALL about...

Uh, lemmee see what I can do?
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB024
ARLB024 Deadline is October 31 to file comments in FCC "Morse code"
proceeding

ZCZC AG24
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 24 ARLB024
From ARRL Headquarters

Newington CT October 25, 2005
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB024
ARLB024 Deadline is October 31 to file comments in FCC "Morse code"
proceeding

With just a few days to go before the filing deadline, more than
2600 comments have been filed in response to the FCC "Morse code"
Notice of Proposed Rule Making and Order (NPRM&O) in WT Docket
05-235. The NPRM&O has proposed to do away with the 5 WPM Morse code
requirement for all license classes. It also denied several
proposals to create a new entry-level license class.

The closing date for comments is Monday, October 31. Reply comments
are due Monday, November 14.

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[email protected] October 28th 05 03:19 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:17:38 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:43:33 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:


RST Engineering wrote:

"K4YZ" wrote in message
legroups.com...



Here's where your confusion exists, Jim...The post responded to
was by Lennie Anderson, a non-licensed participant in an Amateur Radio
forum on USENET.


I don't give a royal flying freak if it was posted by a little green
Martian. Last I looked it was data posted to a usenet group by an
individual.

No kidding?


You don't need any credentials or licenses to post to any given
group, last I looked.

No, you don't need any credentials to post but you'd better have some
knowledge of the material the group deals with. Feel free to post to a
group dealing with 17th century Chinese art but you'd better not attempt
coming off as an expert. You'll be seen as a fraud and no one will take
you seriously.



and how are you conecting this the the thread at a hand


Get someone else to explain it to you, Mark. I don't have the time nor
do I have the inclination.


meaning you did not realy have a point beyond trying to flame Len

And, I consider Len to be just a little more
competent to post than you.

Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.


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[email protected] October 28th 05 04:14 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 

wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

Do you mean me?

will continue to challenge the tally now that it
appears to support his view of the topic, or if the challenge is based
on "you can't trust someone who has no license".

I'm simply asking for an explanation of how the 'scorecard'
is derived. The questions are simple and straightforward,
but Len gets all upset when someone questions anything he
posts here.

Here are some of the questions:

1) Does anyone check Len's work? (it appears that only Len
does this)


We appoint you to do this.

2) Do the totals include only comments, or reply comments?
(it appears they include reply comments too)


You tell us.

3) Are multiple comments/reply comments from the same person counted,
even if they are not identical? (Len has filed at least 5 different
comments/reply comments on WT 05-235. Are they counted as 1 or 5 or
something else?)


You tell us.

4) How is it determined if a comment has a "valid address"?


You tell us.

Whether or not the person posting a "scorecard" has a license or no
license makes no difference to me.


Wunnerful. Tally it both ways and let us know if it made a difference.

Whether they are procodetest or
nocodetest also makes no difference to me.


But will you respect us in the morning?

I just want some direct answers to questions about the process of
generating the tallies. But such answers are considered insults
by Len.


Your questions will be answered in the details of you checking Len's
work, See Q/A #1 above.

Meanwhile, other parties are also counting the comments.


What other parties?

They
show each and every comment on a website, classify it, and provide a
link
to the comment so you can see for yourself. They're listed in
alphabetical order by the last name of the filer for easy reference,
and dupes stand out clearly.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?


obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len


Yep. He has no real interest in the issue since he's made up his mind
that the FCC is against his precious Morse Code exam. His only purpose
now is to try to discredit his primary antagonist before he departs
RRAP for Coslo's exclusive BBS.


[email protected] October 28th 05 04:17 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
On 27 Oct 2005 20:14:29 -0700, wrote:


wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

cut

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?


obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len


Yep. He has no real interest in the issue since he's made up his mind
that the FCC is against his precious Morse Code exam. His only purpose
now is to try to discredit his primary antagonist before he departs
RRAP for Coslo's exclusive BBS.


amusing and sad how he and other go on Len's lack of license but are
still vitaly concerned about what he may say

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Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
Really?

Novice 1959
Technician 1960
Advanced 1981?
Extra 2002?

BS Electronics Physics; 18 semester units to an MSEE.
Community College and Adult High School credential teaching ham radio class
since 1967.
Taught roughly 50 semester classes.
100% pass rate.

VE ARRL
VE LAARG

Published technical articles in 73, HR, and local club rags.
Internationally acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas.
Monthly column in national magazine on do-it-yourself electronics.


Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.

Jim




Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.




[email protected] October 28th 05 06:01 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:47:28 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

Really?

Novice 1959
Technician 1960
Advanced 1981?
Extra 2002?

BS Electronics Physics; 18 semester units to an MSEE.
Community College and Adult High School credential teaching ham radio class
since 1967.
Taught roughly 50 semester classes.
100% pass rate.

VE ARRL
VE LAARG

Published technical articles in 73, HR, and local club rags.
Internationally acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas.
Monthly column in national magazine on do-it-yourself electronics.


Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.


queitly wonders how Steveie and/or Dave Vile will try trashing that

Jim




Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.



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[email protected] October 28th 05 11:07 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 

wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 20:14:29 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700,
wrote:


wrote:
Iitoi wrote:

I wonder if James

cut

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?

obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len


Yep. He has no real interest in the issue since he's made up his mind
that the FCC is against his precious Morse Code exam. His only purpose
now is to try to discredit his primary antagonist before he departs
RRAP for Coslo's exclusive BBS.


amusing and sad how he and other go on Len's lack of license but are
still vitaly concerned about what he may say


Yep. They protest too loudly, drawing the attention to Len's words
which might otherwise not attract so much attention.

Have you seen the new thread where James points out Len being
uncomfortable with children participating in what Len believes to be a
primarily adult activity?

Hi!


K4YZ October 28th 05 12:12 PM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 

RST Engineering wrote:

Published technical articles in 73, HR, and local club rags.
Internationally acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas.
Monthly column in national magazine on do-it-yourself electronics.

Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.


Hey Jim...I've read your articles in many mags before. Good job.
I've used RST products and found them to be "good stuff".

But you're presently posting tacit support for a known liar and
cheat in a public forum using your company name. Sure, he knows his
way around the bench, but he's a liar and a cheat none-the-less.

I don't give a rat's kazoo what you think of me persoanlly or my
opinions, but the fact remains that you're putting your company's name
behind a guy who lies for sport.

Is that wise?

Steve, K4YZ


Dave Heil October 28th 05 03:36 PM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
RST Engineering wrote:
Really?

Novice 1959
Technician 1960
Advanced 1981?
Extra 2002?

BS Electronics Physics; 18 semester units to an MSEE.
Community College and Adult High School credential teaching ham radio class
since 1967.
Taught roughly 50 semester classes.
100% pass rate.

VE ARRL
VE LAARG

Published technical articles in 73, HR, and local club rags.
Internationally acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas.
Monthly column in national magazine on do-it-yourself electronics.


Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.

Jim




Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.



That's pretty impressive, Jim. You've been involved in quite a number of
things in and out of amateur radio. Even if I was an "Internationally
acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas", I don't think I
could bring myself to so describe myself.

Aside from your not including attributions, not signing your post and
the top posting, you even manage to present some of your ideas here in a
reasonable manner.

My own credentials have been "on the table" for nearly a decade here in
r.r.a.p. One of those taking a knife to them on a regular basis is
Leonard H. Anderson. He has routinely insulted my employment,
experience in radio (amateur, commercial and government), my authorship
of amateur radio articles and even my German surname. I can't claim
that I'm special in that regard though. Len does similar things to
anyone who disagrees with him.

It is curious that a fellow such as you would make the blanket statement
that you did. Now I just question your judgment.


Dave Heil K8MN

[email protected] October 28th 05 10:58 PM

Another Len Quote (was: Lennie's Scorecard Backfires)
 
Dave Heil wrote:
RST Engineering wrote:
Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.

Jim


OK, from one Jim to another:

Novice 1967 (age 13)
Technician 1968
Advanced 1968
Extra 1970 (because of mandatory 2 year wait)

2nd Class Commercial Radiotelephone 1972

BSEE 1976 University of Pennsylvania
MSEE 1992 Drexel University

Coinventer US patent #5,358,202

I could go on...

Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len
Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.


That's pretty impressive, Jim. You've been involved in quite a number of
things in and out of amateur radio. Even if I was
an "Internationally
acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas", I don't think I
could bring myself to so describe myself.

Aside from your not including attributions, not signing your
post and
the top posting, you even manage to present some of your ideas here in a
reasonable manner.

My own credentials have been "on the table" for nearly a decade here in
r.r.a.p. One of those taking a knife to them on a regular
basis is
Leonard H. Anderson. He has routinely insulted my employment,
experience in radio (amateur, commercial and government), my
authorship
of amateur radio articles and even my German surname.


Don't forget military service...

I can't claim
that I'm special in that regard though. Len does
similar things to
anyone who disagrees with him.


Also anyone who points out a mistake he makes or
proves him wrong about anything.

Here's another fun quote from Len, made two years ago today:

Len wrote:

"Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news page had
NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW as dessert."

- Leonard H. Anderson

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...514cd48c14fbb1

Then there's his classic "sphincters post", but you get the general
idea.


73 de Jim, N2EY


Dave Heil October 28th 05 11:16 PM

Another Len Quote
 
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

RST Engineering wrote:

Now, lay YOURS out on the table and see who takes a knife to it.

Jim



OK, from one Jim to another:

Novice 1967 (age 13)
Technician 1968
Advanced 1968
Extra 1970 (because of mandatory 2 year wait)

2nd Class Commercial Radiotelephone 1972

BSEE 1976 University of Pennsylvania
MSEE 1992 Drexel University

Coinventer US patent #5,358,202

I could go on...

Now I have some questions as to your credentials. Len
Anderson is a
sidewalk superintendent to amateur radio.



That's pretty impressive, Jim. You've been involved in quite a number of
things in and out of amateur radio. Even if I was
an "Internationally
acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas", I don't think I
could bring myself to so describe myself.

Aside from your not including attributions, not signing your
post and
the top posting, you even manage to present some of your ideas here in a
reasonable manner.

My own credentials have been "on the table" for nearly a decade here in
r.r.a.p. One of those taking a knife to them on a regular
basis is
Leonard H. Anderson. He has routinely insulted my employment,
experience in radio (amateur, commercial and government), my
authorship
of amateur radio articles and even my German surname.



Don't forget military service...


That slipped my mind. Len has taken numerous shots at my Air Force
service in Vietnam, though he doesn't seem to know what it is that I did
there. He keeps alluding to MARS duty and I did spend time operating a
MARS circuit from Tan Son Nhut, but only in an off duty capacity.


I can't claim
that I'm special in that regard though. Len does
similar things to
anyone who disagrees with him.



Also anyone who points out a mistake he makes or
proves him wrong about anything.


....or, come to think of it, anyone who even questions his methods or
motivation.

Here's another fun quote from Len, made two years ago today:

Len wrote:

"Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.


Ah yes. That was directed at me, wasn't it? I was never in the Marine
Corps.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news page had
NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW as dessert."

- Leonard H. Anderson

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...514cd48c14fbb1

Then there's his classic "sphincters post", but you get the general
idea.


Len's description of what it was like to be under artillery fire--even
though he was never actually under artillery fire.

That brings us back to RST Jim. It is apparent that he's done a number
of things in amateur radio. Perhaps he hasn't been around long enough
to see who and what Len Anderson is. Maybe his agenda in defending Len
is something entirely different. Perhaps he'll explain. I'll be around
after the CQ WW SSB DX 'test.

Dave K8MN

[email protected] October 28th 05 11:17 PM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
From: on Fri 28 Oct 2005 03:07


wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 20:14:29 -0700,
wrote:
wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 16:33:17 -0700,
wrote:
wrote:
Iitoi wrote:


Since someone else is also performing the tally, would you care to
compare/contrast the tallies?

obviously not he seem to prefer carping at Len

Yep. He has no real interest in the issue since he's made up his mind
that the FCC is against his precious Morse Code exam. His only purpose
now is to try to discredit his primary antagonist before he departs
RRAP for Coslo's exclusive BBS.


amusing and sad how he and other go on Len's lack of license but are
still vitaly concerned about what he may say


Yep. They protest too loudly, drawing the attention to Len's words
which might otherwise not attract so much attention.


...in one way that's good...in another, bad... :-)

Have you seen the new thread where James points out Len being
uncomfortable with children participating in what Len believes to be a
primarily adult activity?

Hi!


Tsk, tsk, tsk...I think Jimmie-James is all for children VOTING
in elections! Or perhaps, it is okay for children having state
drivers' licenses...maybe it being okay for them to go into
liquor stores to buy alcohol without age limit...or serving in
armed forces of the United States (like Jimmie Noserve)...get
married...piloting aircraft with legal license to do so in his
age-limit-less world?

James P. Miccolis has NOT answered a repeated question: How
many children has HE parented? He won't say, doesn't answer.

That's NOT the real subject of Jimmie-James' efforts. He is still
****ed at being confronted with opposite opinions in here by those
who will not accept HIS opinions. He MUST re-argue and re-argue
and re-argue old, Old, OLD issues from years back. Maybe he hopes
to "win" an old argument that way? I don't think so. If the
Muppets need a new character, I'd nominate him as "Miss ****y." :-)

Meanwhile, Jimmie-James keeps up his "Philly-tuff" personna asking
me if I'm "afraid" of anothers' tally on WT Docket 05-235. :-)

NPRM 05-143 is *THE* issue for U.S. amateur radio in this new
millennium. This is the end of the 15th week of filings in WT
Docket 05-235 and the total is (to 27th October) 3,174 total.
That's roughly 209 filings a week average, about four times
more than on 98-143 ("Restructuring") in its 11 month open
comment period.

Brian, you've posted (I have a copy along with others from rrap
who've filed on WT Docket 05-235) and so have others. But,
for all his macho morsemanship, neither James P. Miccolis nor
the mighty morsemen regulars in here have NOT filed!

Sunnuvagun!




[email protected] October 29th 05 02:39 AM

Another Len Quote
 
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Don't forget military service...


That slipped my mind. Len has taken numerous shots at my Air Force
service in Vietnam, though he doesn't seem to know what it is that I did
there.


IIRC you mentioned it here a few times.

He keeps alluding to MARS duty and I did spend time operating a
MARS circuit from Tan Son Nhut, but only in an off duty capacity.


Then there's Len's commentary on the military service of a
Cost Guard radio operator who posted here.....

I can't claim
that I'm special in that regard though. Len does
similar things to
anyone who disagrees with him.


Also anyone who points out a mistake he makes or
proves him wrong about anything.


...or, come to think of it, anyone who even questions his methods or
motivation.


That's self-evident from his reaction to my questions.

Here's another fun quote from Len, made two years ago today:

Len wrote:

"Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.


Ah yes. That was directed at me, wasn't it?


Yes, it was.

I was never in the Marine Corps.


Neither was Len, but he uses phrases like "murine" and "dill sergeant"
to
make fun of a certain Marine...

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news page had
NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW as dessert."

- Leonard H. Anderson

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...514cd48c14fbb1

Then there's his classic "sphincters post", but you get the general
idea.


Len's description of what it was like to be under artillery fire--even
though he was never actually under artillery fire.


Never having experienced something hasn't prevented Len from expressing
opinions, comments and criticism about it.

That brings us back to RST Jim. It is apparent that he's done a number
of things in amateur radio. Perhaps he hasn't been around long enough
to see who and what Len Anderson is. Maybe his agenda in defending Len
is something entirely different. Perhaps he'll explain. I'll be around
after the CQ WW SSB DX 'test.


Perhaps a few more quotes from Len would be helpful...

73 de Jim, N2EY


RST Engineering October 29th 05 02:49 AM

Another Len Quote
 
Novice 1967 (age 13)

Same age.



2nd Class Commercial Radiotelephone 1972


1st Class Commercial Radiotelephone 1964 (age 17), Radar Endorsement




Coinventer US patent #5,358,202


I quit the company and the boss got the patent designations from my
notebooks, but I'm not going to press the issue.

However, designated responsible engineer for FCC type
acceptance/certification on seven commercial two-way transceivers; two for
studio-transmitter links and five for aircraft transceivers. Currently on
the "approved" list for type acceptance/certification for FCC Laurel
Laboratories.


That's pretty impressive, Jim. You've been involved in quite a number
of
things in and out of amateur radio. Even if I was
an "Internationally
acknowledged expert in the subject of hidden antennas", I don't think I
could bring myself to so describe myself.


Well, if you had sold ten thousand (actual count may vary a few percent)
hidden antenna original design products everywhere from Latvia to Louisiana,
you may describe yourself that way.



Aside from your not including attributions,


What do you mean by attributions? I'll give proof of anything I've said.


not signing your
post


I thought I signed it Jim. If you want a full formal signing, it is Jim
Weir, WX6RST. Most people know who I am; I don't hide behind a pseudonym.



and
the top posting,


In the vernacular, go screw yourself. I'll top post, interleave post, or
bottom post, whichever I think will get the point across better. "A foolish
consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." Or, in the Latin, "Pusca,
puscalorum."




you even manage to present some of your ideas here in a
reasonable manner.


It is the engineer showing through the politician.



That slipped my mind. Len has taken numerous shots at my Air Force
service in Vietnam, though he doesn't seem to know what it is that I did
there. He keeps alluding to MARS duty and I did spend time operating a
MARS circuit from Tan Son Nhut, but only in an off duty capacity.


I have only the highest regard for anybody who wore the uniform. It was not
my privilege to do military duty as my parents neatly sandwiched me in
between Korea and Vietnam. Sure, I did MARS duty for twenty years, and
sure, I wear the local sheriff's Search and Rescue volunteer uniform, but it
pales in weak comparison to actual military duty. I bow my head in
gratitude.




Here's another fun quote from Len, made two years ago today:

Then there's his classic "sphincters post", but you get the general
idea.


$#!+, we all get into the bottle from time to time and post stuff that we
regret in the morning, but what the hell. Two quotes from two years? Give
the guy a break. I'd hate (although my political opponents have done it
mercilessly) to be quoted two years after the fact and have to defend myself
at that time.




That brings us back to RST Jim. It is apparent that he's done a number of
things in amateur radio.


Who is "he's". Me? Len? You? Steve? ???? And don't worry about RST.
It has been around since 1973 and will probably be around long after you and
I are SK. Don't worry about it. I have the cojones to put my reputation
and my company's reputation on the line when I see something that just cries
for comment.

Perhaps he hasn't been around long enough
to see who and what Len Anderson is. Maybe his agenda in defending Len is
something entirely different. Perhaps he'll explain. I'll be around after
the CQ WW SSB DX 'test.


If you are talking about me, I've been on the usenet and this ng since 1995.
I don't claim to defend Len, but again, most of what he says makes perfect
sense. It is YOU TWO that I'm worried about.


Jim



[email protected] October 29th 05 02:55 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
wrote:

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I think Jimmie-James is all for children
VOTING in elections!


I don't know who "Jimmie-James" is supposed to be, Len. But I'm
not "all for children VOTING in elections". I'm just opposed
to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.

Or perhaps, it is okay for children having state
drivers' licenses...


I don't think it's okay for children to have driver's licenses. I'm
just opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.

maybe it being okay for them to go into
liquor stores to buy alcohol without age limit...


I don't think it's okay for children to buy alcohol. I'm just opposed
to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.

or serving in armed forces of the United States


I don't think it's okay for children to serve in the military. I'm just
opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.

...get married...piloting aircraft with legal license to do so in his age-limit-less world?


I'm just opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio
license.

James P. Miccolis has NOT answered a repeated question: How
many children has HE parented? He won't say, doesn't answer.


Why should I answer that question, Len? You refuse to answer on-topic
questions, so why should anyone answer your off-topic ones?

That's NOT the real subject of Jimmie-James' efforts.


I don't know who "Jimmie-James" is supposed to be, Len.

He is still ****ed at being confronted with opposite
opinions in here by those who will not accept HIS opinions.


You're describing yourself, Len.

He MUST re-argue and re-argue
and re-argue old, Old, OLD issues from years back.


I know somebody who keeps telling old, Old, OLD stories of his service
at a radio station in Japan years back.

asking me if I'm "afraid" of anothers' tally on
WT Docket 05-235. :-)


Looks like you are afraid, Len.

NPRM 05-143 is *THE* issue for U.S. amateur radio in this new
millennium. This is the end of the 15th week of filings in WT
Docket 05-235 and the total is (to 27th October) 3,174 total.
That's roughly 209 filings a week average, about four times
more than on 98-143 ("Restructuring") in its 11 month open
comment period.


So?

Brian, you've posted (I have a copy along with others from
rrap
who've filed on WT Docket 05-235) and so have others. But,
for all his macho morsemanship, neither James P. Miccolis nor
the mighty morsemen regulars in here have NOT filed!


So? What's your point, Len?

I'll "file" when I want to.


[email protected] October 29th 05 03:02 AM

Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
On 28 Oct 2005 18:55:32 -0700, wrote:

wrote:

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I think Jimmie-James is all for children
VOTING in elections!


I don't know who "Jimmie-James" is supposed to be, Len. But I'm
not "all for children VOTING in elections". I'm just opposed
to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.


Jim in answering the post I am afraid you just lied above

Or perhaps, it is okay for children having state
drivers' licenses...


I don't think it's okay for children to have driver's licenses. I'm
just opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.


and Len supports the notion at this point I neither support nor oppose
such a notion, but you have been beating this dead equine for years
cuting reps
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Lennie's Scorecard Backfires
 
wrote:
On 28 Oct 2005 18:55:32 -0700,
wrote:

wrote:

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I think Jimmie-James is all for children
VOTING in elections!


I don't know who "Jimmie-James" is supposed to be, Len. But I'm
not "all for children VOTING in elections". I'm just opposed
to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.


Jim in answering the post I am afraid you just lied above


Where?

Len uses multiple names in his posts. I'm not sure who he means by
"Jimmie-James". Is it me, or Jim Weir (who posts as "RSTEngineering")
or somebody else?

If he means me, *why* can't he just call me Jim, or N2EY?

And it's a fact that I'm not "all for children VOTING in elections".
I'm just opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio
license.

Or perhaps, it is okay for children having state
drivers' licenses...


I don't think it's okay for children to have driver's
licenses. I'm
just opposed to a minimum age requirement for an amateur radio license.


and Len supports the notion at this point


Why?

Can he or anyone else supply *ANY* evidence that the lack of
an age requirement has had *any* negative effects on the amateur
radio service?

We've had licensed amateur radio in the USA for 93 years now. In all
that time there has *never* been an age requirement. So if
the lack of an age requirement is a problem, there should be
plenty of evidence by now. Yet Len provides no evidence, but
wants an age requirement of 14 years for anyone to have a US amateur
license.

If you look at FCC enforcement letters, the age of the worst
offenders is much closer to Len's age than to 14 years....

I neither support nor oppose such a notion,


Why don't you oppose it? It's a completely unnecessary
requirement for a license. No evidence has been presented
to support it.



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