Why are those modes "better" than voice?

Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every circumstance, would lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson understanding than either Morse or "data" modes. Voices naturally convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of emphasis, and can use different inflection to add subtle but important syntactic variations to many words. None of this is possible in Morse or "data" modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons.

The Man in the Maze
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Iitoi wrote:
Wrote:

It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all
ages on the ham
bands, working each other regardless of age, gender,
race, religion,
etc., without prejudice or classification by same.

Morse Code and the
"data modes" are better for this than voice.

Why are those modes "better" than voice?

I think you misunderstand.

Voice modes give all sorts of information about the speaker's
age, gender, ethnicity, etc., which are not immediately
obvious with Morse Code or "data modes".

Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every
circumstance, would
lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson
understanding than either Morse or "data" modes.

Why?

Voice modes can cause the listener to focus more on who is talking and
how they are talking, rather than what is being said.

Voices naturally
convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of
emphasis,
and can use different inflection to add subtle but important
syntactic
variations to many words.

Those features can also be a weakness of voice modes.

None of this is possible in Morse or "data"
modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons.

Which means the sender must concentrate on what is sent, not how it is
sent.

73 de Jim, N2EY

No, I understand very well. In fact, that's my point. Voice conversations inherently provide more information, just as you point out.

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"who is talking" and "how they are talking" are often (if not always) as important in understanding "what is being said".

Consider this question: "How much should I take off?" Suppose the questioner was your barber discussing your hair, or a romantic partner discussing her attire, or car salesperson discussing price discounts. Clearly the meaning of that query is wildly different depending on "who is talking and how they are talking".

Since those factors serve to amplify and refine the simple "bare" words, adding a layer of "richness", they are a strength (not a weakness) of voice conversation over the terse exchange of Morse or "data" signals.

In summary, "What is being said, who is saying it, and how they are saying it" will always lead to a richer conversation than just "what is being said".

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

"Iitoi" wrote in message
...

Wrote:

It's also a wonderful thing to hear people of all ages on the ham
bands, working each other regardless of age, gender, race, religion,
etc., without prejudice or classification by same. Morse Code and the
"data modes" are better for this than voice.


Why are those modes "better" than voice?

Seems that a voice conversation, under almost every circumstance, would
lead to a richer exchange of information and better interperson
understanding than either Morse or "data" modes. Voices naturally
convey emotion and mood, allow an almost continuous range of emphasis,
and can use different inflection to add subtle but important syntactic
variations to many words. None of this is possible in Morse or "data"
modes, except in some very crude ways such as emoticons.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ


--
Iitoi

I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot tell
whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So that
there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed by
those who think women or young people should not be on the radio.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Is there a large percentage (or even a measurable fraction) of hams "who think women or young people should not be on the radio"?

I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of that attitude.

As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion. Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be, this would certainly be a nicer place to live.

Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own.

The Man in the Maze
QRV at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:42:18 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


Dee Flint Wrote:

I believe that his point was that on the non-voice modes, you cannot
tell
whether someone is male or female or whether they are young or old. So
that
there is less chance of them being discriminated against or harassed
by
those who think women or young people should not be on the radio.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Is there a large percentage (or even a measurable fraction) of hams
"who think women or young people should not be on the radio"?

I think you have to go back several decades to the legendary W2OY (with
aplologies to the current holder) to find a single visible example of
that attitude.

As a member of multiple minority groups (Native American, Hispanic
surname, non-Christian religion) I'm sensitive to discrimination and
harrassment issues. My long and enthusiastic association with amateur
radio is in large part due to my complete acceptance within the hobby
without any regard to my ethnic roots, skin color, or religion.
Neither have I seen anything but complete acceptance of young people
and those of the fairer gender in the hobby. If the general population
were as tolerant of diversity as I've found the ham hobbiests to be,
this would certainly be a nicer place to live.

Thus N2EY's suggestion (if that's really his point as you surmise) that
young people and females would do well to mask themselves behind
keys/keyboards to avoid unpleasantness is ludicrous on it's face, and
might be construed as a projection of an unrevealed agenda of his own.

his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice
sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male I
certainly prefer non voice mode myself FSATV esp

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That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation.

Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered your gender is male.

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:22:33 +0000, Iitoi
wrote:


Wrote:
his point has its place. I know from my ownexperences since my voice
sounds female and some get rather irate finding out I am male

That seems exactly counter to his "point". His point (as interpreted
by N8UZE) is that females and children are subject to discrimination
and should anonomize themselves by avoiding voice operation.

Your point seems to be that you are accepted on the air when you are
presumed to be female, but discriminated against when it is discovered
your gender is male.

not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys
have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get
reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male

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not accepted but rather shall we say sought after a few of the guys
have proposed Marriage to me and other anoying stunts then get
reaaallllly ****ed to find I am male

GAG!!!

Is this fool real?

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