wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

cut

" " "Meanwhile, ham radio operators proved that older technology can be
the most reliable technology. Our EDA Editor (and ham) David Maliniak
wrote an online column on the subject, pointing out that sometimes "old
works when new doesn't." (Read it and add your comments at ED Online
11136.) During and after Katrina, hams running on generators (sometimes
with makeshift antennas) worked throughout the hurricane zone to put
emergency stations on the air. They guided rescuers to stranded victims
and updated weather services via the Hurricane Watch Net." " "

Wait a minute. The Guard says their equipment is antiquated and needs
replaced, but the ARS service says that older technology may be what is
needed.

Obviously, they can -both- be right. When wide area vhf+ comm systems
go down, they have to switch to simplex where they can, and HF/NVIS
networks for the rest of the area.

in point of fact they both can be right

the virtue of Ham radio is we can forge links as we need to the
downside is by and large we have to every time, the abilty to use use
the resource is of value when "something that got overlooked shows up"

problems with that senario are the ARS lack much abilty to forge stable
conections and must invent them continously this is hard for your govt
and other first responders to use so they gtry to go higher and higher
tech trying to not to need us

ham ego's also get in the way as witness the reaction saying that the
response of ham radio was less than it could have been while much
better then the Govt own response

Yes I am dispointed in the response I saw and heard to Katrina and Rita
I am apaled by the response of LA and NO not thrilled with FEMA either
but as can be send they are dependant on the locals for infrastructure
cut

an old friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

cut

" " "Meanwhile, ham radio operators proved that older technology can be
the most reliable technology. Our EDA Editor (and ham) David Maliniak
wrote an online column on the subject, pointing out that sometimes "old
works when new doesn't." (Read it and add your comments at ED Online
11136.) During and after Katrina, hams running on generators (sometimes
with makeshift antennas) worked throughout the hurricane zone to put
emergency stations on the air. They guided rescuers to stranded victims
and updated weather services via the Hurricane Watch Net." " "

Wait a minute. The Guard says their equipment is antiquated and needs
replaced, but the ARS service says that older technology may be what is
needed.

Obviously, they can -both- be right. When wide area vhf+ comm systems
go down, they have to switch to simplex where they can, and HF/NVIS
networks for the rest of the area.

in point of fact they both can be right

the virtue of Ham radio is we can forge links as we need to the
downside is by and large we have to every time, the abilty to use use
the resource is of value when "something that got overlooked shows up"

problems with that senario are the ARS lack much abilty to forge stable
conections and must invent them continously this is hard for your govt
and other first responders to use so they gtry to go higher and higher
tech trying to not to need us

The problem, Markie, is that "higher and higher tech" is EXACTLY
why they have problems that DO need us!

The current circumstances in southern Louisiana are clear proof.
Once again the cellphone net, trunked and interlinked Public Service
communications systems CRASHED under the weight of Katrina.

ham ego's also get in the way as witness the reaction saying that the
response of ham radio was less than it could have been while much
better then the Govt own response

Oh yeah...Our ego's got in the way...yeah. Right. Uh huh. Sure.
OK.

Yes I am dispointed in the response I saw and heard to Katrina and Rita
I am apaled by the response of LA and NO not thrilled with FEMA either
but as can be send they are dependant on the locals for infrastructure

There is no way that any one state can truly "gear up" for the kind
of disaster response that Katrina and Rita mandated...Not even
California with it's sixth or eighth place GNP could withstand this
kind of impact without calling in federal assistance.

Amateur Radio's BIGGEST contribution in this scenario is it's
decentralized locating of assets. With thousands of licessees and
stations spead out over the entire nation, there's no way that anything
short of complete nuclear annihalation, pandemic disease or
apoctolyptic act of God could obliterate it.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

what has human sexuality got to do with radio

On 23 Nov 2005 04:47:35 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:


an old friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

cut

" " "Meanwhile, ham radio operators proved that older technology can be
the most reliable technology. Our EDA Editor (and ham) David Maliniak
wrote an online column on the subject, pointing out that sometimes "old
works when new doesn't." (Read it and add your comments at ED Online
11136.) During and after Katrina, hams running on generators (sometimes
with makeshift antennas) worked throughout the hurricane zone to put
emergency stations on the air. They guided rescuers to stranded victims
and updated weather services via the Hurricane Watch Net." " "

Wait a minute. The Guard says their equipment is antiquated and needs
replaced, but the ARS service says that older technology may be what is
needed.

Obviously, they can -both- be right. When wide area vhf+ comm systems
go down, they have to switch to simplex where they can, and HF/NVIS
networks for the rest of the area.

in point of fact they both can be right

the virtue of Ham radio is we can forge links as we need to the
downside is by and large we have to every time, the abilty to use use
the resource is of value when "something that got overlooked shows up"

problems with that senario are the ARS lack much abilty to forge stable
conections and must invent them continously this is hard for your govt
and other first responders to use so they gtry to go higher and higher
tech trying to not to need us

The problem, Markie, is that "higher and higher tech" is EXACTLY
why they have problems that DO need us!

The current circumstances in southern Louisiana are clear proof.
Once again the cellphone net, trunked and interlinked Public Service
communications systems CRASHED under the weight of Katrina.

ham ego's also get in the way as witness the reaction saying that the
response of ham radio was less than it could have been while much
better then the Govt own response

Oh yeah...Our ego's got in the way...yeah. Right. Uh huh. Sure.
OK.


"egos"


Yes I am dispointed in the response I saw and heard to Katrina and Rita
I am apaled by the response of LA and NO not thrilled with FEMA either
but as can be send they are dependant on the locals for infrastructure

There is no way that any one state can truly "gear up" for the kind
of disaster response that Katrina and Rita mandated...Not even
California with it's sixth or eighth place GNP could withstand this
kind of impact without calling in federal assistance.


"its"


Amateur Radio's BIGGEST contribution in this scenario is it's
decentralized locating of assets. With thousands of licessees and
stations spead out over the entire nation, there's no way that anything
short of complete nuclear annihalation, pandemic disease or
apoctolyptic act of God could obliterate it.


"its", "licensees" or "licencees", "spread", "annihilation",
"apocalyptic"

What a hypocrite.


Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


Address the issues, Dud:


You didn't know that avionics techs (your alleged MOS) are regularly
deployed with the FMF.

You didn't know about the VINSON system. To wit: "I know who Col
Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never served with him/for
him/within 100 miles of him." Neither did you know that the VINSON
system replaced almost all outdated crypto systems in the late '70's,
including the old punch-pin monsters (KY-28/38 of the NESTOR system,
which had been almost completely replaced by the VINSON system by the
early '80's).

You didn't know the difference between a 'hitch', a 'cruise', and a
'float'.

You mistakenly assumed the origination of the phrase "One Shot One
Kill" was from the Army Sniper School; wrongfully presumed that it is
a tactic taught to all Marine recruits; then proceeded to demonstrate
your ignorance about basic combat tactics, the use of shotguns, and
the very common 40mm grenade launchers (M-79 & M-203).

You claimed that "the only targets used to train Marine riflemen (and
all recruits) [are] head shots and 'center mast', or chest shots", but
didn't know that the standard round marksmanship-type targets are also
used, and much more often than "dog" targets. In fact, most of rifle
qualification is done with the round targets. But you didn't know that
despite your claim to have "[taken] home an 'Rifle Expert' on each and
every trip to the range".

You didn't know that only the results of an Article 15 proceeding are
recorded, not the entire proceedings; and you don't even know what
page in the SRB they are recorded.

You didn't know that Marines are often prohibited from taking any
off-duty employment, nor did you know that such a decision is usually
made by the CO, not HQMC.

You didn't know that outside communications can be prohibited during a
base lock-down or unit activation.

You defined a 'chit' as "A Naval term for a 'permission
slip'", when in fact it means -any- piece of paper with something
written on it.

You didn't know that a dishonorable discharge can only be given as a
result of a conviction in a General court-martial, and is usually
given after a few years at Leavenworth and a reduction to Private.

You didn't know that the Corps doesn't use cutting scores for
promotions.

You misquoted your SIX alleged promotion certificates (a misquote that
I later found on google verbatim).

You didn't understand that "years and months in specialty" (box 11 on
the DD-214) is not the same as time in service, yet claimed that you
have -several- DD-214's.

You claimed that time on the delayed entry program was considered to
be time in reserve status but never was.

You stated that "My DD-214 says 'Honorable'...", yet after 1979 there
is no box on the form to designate character of service. The DD-214 is
only a "release or discharge from active duty", not a final discharge
certificate. Only that latter will denote the character of service.

You claimed to have served from 03 September, 1974 to 29 May, 1992.
That's only 17 years and 9 months. Yet you also claim to be retired,
which can only happen if you served 20 years. You also claimed to have
been discharged for medical reasons, having your discharge later
upgraded (a claim which you have both denied and acknowledged). You
didn't know that medical discharges cannot be upgraded, nor that time
not served cannot be arbitrarily added to the end of an enlistment in
order to obtain retirement benefits.

And with all your careers, activities and obligations, where do you
find the time to post as much as you do on Usenet?










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K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

cut

" " "Meanwhile, ham radio operators proved that older technology can be
the most reliable technology. Our EDA Editor (and ham) David Maliniak
wrote an online column on the subject, pointing out that sometimes "old
works when new doesn't." (Read it and add your comments at ED Online
11136.) During and after Katrina, hams running on generators (sometimes
with makeshift antennas) worked throughout the hurricane zone to put
emergency stations on the air. They guided rescuers to stranded victims
and updated weather services via the Hurricane Watch Net." " "

Wait a minute. The Guard says their equipment is antiquated and needs
replaced, but the ARS service says that older technology may be what is
needed.

Obviously, they can -both- be right. When wide area vhf+ comm systems
go down, they have to switch to simplex where they can, and HF/NVIS
networks for the rest of the area.

in point of fact they both can be right

the virtue of Ham radio is we can forge links as we need to the
downside is by and large we have to every time, the abilty to use use
the resource is of value when "something that got overlooked shows up"

problems with that senario are the ARS lack much abilty to forge stable
conections and must invent them continously this is hard for your govt
and other first responders to use so they gtry to go higher and higher
tech trying to not to need us

The problem, Markie, is that "higher and higher tech" is EXACTLY
why they have problems that DO need us!

"Mark"

Why can't they have both "higher and higher tech" and low tech?

The current circumstances in southern Louisiana are clear proof.
Once again the cellphone net, trunked and interlinked Public Service
communications systems CRASHED under the weight of Katrina.

But the average American in ordinary emergencies get's along pretty
well on cell phones.

The average emergency responder gets along pretty well on "higher and
higher tech."

ham ego's also get in the way as witness the reaction saying that the
response of ham radio was less than it could have been while much
better then the Govt own response

Oh yeah...Our ego's got in the way...yeah. Right. Uh huh. Sure.
OK.

Did you go to LA as an emergency responder or a ham?

Yes I am dispointed in the response I saw and heard to Katrina and Rita
I am apaled by the response of LA and NO not thrilled with FEMA either
but as can be send they are dependant on the locals for infrastructure

There is no way that any one state can truly "gear up" for the kind
of disaster response that Katrina and Rita mandated...Not even
California with it's sixth or eighth place GNP could withstand this
kind of impact without calling in federal assistance.

Or volunteer assistance.

Amateur Radio's BIGGEST contribution in this scenario is it's
decentralized locating of assets. With thousands of licessees and
stations spead out over the entire nation,

Why can't the State decentralize some of it's assets? There has to be
National Guard, County Airports, State Colleges, etc that can be used
to decentralize. The State gov't already owns all that real estate.

And another thing, what about mobility? Why did I see all of those
submerged yellow school busses in air photos? That's rolling stock.
There's no excuse for not driving those busses out. And there's no
excuse for not using those busses to evacuate people.

there's no way that anything
short of complete nuclear annihalation, pandemic disease or
apoctolyptic act of God could obliterate it.

Steve, K4YZ

Thanks.

wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
an old friend wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
You may have to watch an online ad, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/A...164/11164.html

73 de Jim, N2EY

Given the millions and millions and millions spent on communications
infrastructure...

cut

" " "Meanwhile, ham radio operators proved that older technology can be
the most reliable technology. Our EDA Editor (and ham) David Maliniak
wrote an online column on the subject, pointing out that sometimes "old
works when new doesn't." (Read it and add your comments at ED Online
11136.) During and after Katrina, hams running on generators (sometimes
with makeshift antennas) worked throughout the hurricane zone to put
emergency stations on the air. They guided rescuers to stranded victims
and updated weather services via the Hurricane Watch Net." " "

Wait a minute. The Guard says their equipment is antiquated and needs
replaced, but the ARS service says that older technology may be what is
needed.

Obviously, they can -both- be right. When wide area vhf+ comm systems
go down, they have to switch to simplex where they can, and HF/NVIS
networks for the rest of the area.

in point of fact they both can be right

the virtue of Ham radio is we can forge links as we need to the
downside is by and large we have to every time, the abilty to use use
the resource is of value when "something that got overlooked shows up"

problems with that senario are the ARS lack much abilty to forge stable
conections and must invent them continously this is hard for your govt
and other first responders to use so they gtry to go higher and higher
tech trying to not to need us

The problem, Markie, is that "higher and higher tech" is EXACTLY
why they have problems that DO need us!

"Mark"

Why can't they have both "higher and higher tech" and low tech?

they could but the low tech stuff means dealing with people like Steve

I simply can't blame them for not wanting to deal ham egos
cut