Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Dee Flint wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:


You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that
will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for
voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you
had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better.
Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will
favor CW.

Thanks Dee, you admitted that CW is not the best mode in any condition.
You agree that different modes work better under differing conditions. I
agree. That's why is it utterly stupid to test incoming hams on one mode
of communication. Finally we agree on something.

No that has nothing to do with whether it should be tested. We do NOT agree
on that issue.
lying again bitch
it certainly has something to do with the issue but then you arenot
honest about most thing

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 

Dee, you can disagree all you want. The fact is that the world is moving
on and away from CW testing. Not the mode, but the testing requirement.
It is just outdated and not necessary. If you want to learn it and
then use it, great. The time has come to stop forcing an old mode onto
people. We can debate the merits of CW all day. In 200 years, no one
will be using it. It will die a natural death like all languages
because the world evolves. Better things come along. And like many
humans, you are resisting change because people hate change. But change
is inevitable. You cannot stop this change and it is a change for the
better even if you won't admit it. History will show the only way to
save the Amateur Radio Service and help its growth is to evolve and
change. Out with the old and in with the new. Those that won't evolve
will fade from the earth just like stone-age man. Good bye CW testing
requirement. Your departure is long, long overdue.

Dee Flint wrote:


Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one would be
comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I personally feel
that every one who drives should be required to know how to drive a stick.
They often get better mileage than automatics as an experienced driver can
do a better job of selecting the shift point than a mere gadget. More
people might select stick shifts if only they knew how to drive one.

Dee, N8UZE

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 

Dee Flint wrote:
Unfortunately the anti-code crowd sees any rational comparison of the modes
as supporting their position. I do not support dropping the code
requirement.

It's like riding a bicycle when you could be driving an SUV.
If you like to do it, then do it, but don't force others to
adopt your particular favorite aspect of our hobby. There's
room for many favorite aspects.

For communications capability under difficult conditions, CW
cannot hold a candle to PACTOR II. For fun, PACTOR II cannot
hold a candle to CW. That's my personal experience and opinion.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

In article , "Dee Flint" wrote:

"J. D. B." wrote in message
...
John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various
digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was
DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second
channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age
hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes.

MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use.
MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the
program.

Move on and start having fun.


You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will
make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice,
all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the
best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another
night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW.

Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency
Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however,
anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise
DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed
before it becomes unusable.

Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils
have been around far longer and are still highly useful.

Dee, N8UZE


Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"

Hymie

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Hymie wrote:
In article , "Dee Flint" wrote:


Dee, N8UZE


Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"
wrong again

Hymie

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 

John Barnard wrote in news:3C_tg.191877$IK3.72019@pd7tw1no:

J. D. B. wrote:
Well at least your estate will get to keep your life savings. If you
get sick late in the year, and the healthcare facility/hospital shut
down for the rest of the year because it ran out of government money (a
typical scenario in Canada), there will be no one to give you any care
and you'll just die.

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be able
to handle reality.

But hey, your life savings will still be intact!
Is socialized health care great or what?

Provided you don't die while standing in line for the doctor.

SC

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"J. D. B." wrote in
:

John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and
various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The
best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also
has a second channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the
stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital
modes.

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"JOHN D" wrote in
news:gD2ug.2582$k31.2016@trnddc06:


"L is easy to remember. "to hell with it".

Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L"

I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+
years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks.
Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't
find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air.
If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter
projects.

I expect there are some technically competent people who might be
interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code.
John

They're not interested in being about to communicate in all ways
effectively, they just want to be phonies. They they could've stuck to CB
for that.

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.

JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.

Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****), which means that it happens all the time. It
seems rather strange that none of this seems to make the headlines or news.

BTW, I overheard this while I was visiting in Toronto and witnessed an
accident: " Wow! The police and ambulance are much quicker here than in
Atlanta".

JB

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 

John Barnard wrote:

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.

JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.

Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****),

Are you certain that isn't Barnard ****?

dxAce
Michigan
USA