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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Won't work.... memorizing is learning. You know where you live because you
memorized it. You know what a diode is because you read it somewhere. Reading a book or taking a class on radio would require you retain [memorize] what you are told or read. The information on radio should be kept secret, and the real test would be this: Here's a radio. Take it with you. Come back in 30 days and explain how it works. Then you get your owner's license, and can buy a radio. Next test is to listen on-air to the CW [as there is no reason to use phone, if you already speak a language.] and figure out the code without any text or charts. Then you get your operator's license. When you can do that, then you can act like you've accomplished something. rb "Cecil Moore" wrote in message . .. K4YZ wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: Then why isn't knowledge of Morse code and the CW mode sufficient? Why must someone be forced to memorize the individual characters? Probably, Cecil, since it would then make it difficult to pass the test. You missed the point. The Morse code skill exam requires memorizing the characters. Memorizing is being condemned as an evil act. Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
This reply has absolutely no significance or meaning. It was just a good
place to add a reply. Helps even out the sawtooth shape of the posts as I scroll down them. rb "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On 4 Aug 2006 14:18:12 -0700, "an old freind" wrote: i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not, time change ignorance fixed ------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------ Text like the above is what comes out when I try to copy CW. can you still read it when you do it Bill, W6WRT 20 WPM Extra, but just barely |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Woody on Tues, Aug 22 2006 12:50 pm
The Titanic knew their coordinates.... didn't slow the influx of H20.... The responding ships had radios too... didn't turn their props any faster.... The year was 1912...NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. Answer to the question.... there was no system then. The predecessor organization for SOLAS had not yet made 500 KHz the international distress and safety frequency. "SOLAS" is an acronym for Safety Of Life At Sea. CW can punch through if there is a human on the other end, where GPS/packet says 'no signal'.... GPS is faster, where CW takes longer.... so one is obsolete, the other inferior. The International Maritime Community settled the 'morse issue.' They DROPPED it in favor of GMDSS (Global Marine Distress and Safety System), a semi-automated system which can be operated by anyone of the bridge crew on a ship (it needs little instruction on use). GMDSS messages are automatically routed to ground stations (note plural) via satellite relay. Those ground stations can coordinate rescue missions. A shipboard GMDS station doesn't HAVE to have a GPS receiver to feed it position data but all those which have one have no complaint about this alleged "loss of signal." Position data can be entered manually to a GMDS station. The bridge crew will have a running record of the ship's position in either event. The United States Coast Guard has DROPPED continuous monitoring of the 500 KHz distress frequency some years ago. Several other countries have done so. A following question is WHO will you believe on the efficacy of communications? The entire international maritime community or a bunch of myth-happy amateur morsemen? In a sentient, intelligent mind, ANY form of communications is good for use in matters involving life and death. The FCC thinks (rightly) so and says as much in Part 1 of Title 47 C.F.R. [Part 97 is not the entirety of regulations on amateur radio in the USA] -------------------- In a preceding message set: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message Dave wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: A ham operator intercepted the SOS from the RMS Titanic. Yep!! It happened once! It happened NINETY-FOUR YEARS AGO. If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system had existed at the time, how would things have turned out? I have to fault Cecil's erudite and intelligent mindset on that...although his motor looks good in his picture. :-) One CANNOT base any intelligent argument about ALTERNATE universes of different times and places. It hasn't happened in our present time-space continuum. In 1912 "radio" was in its infancy, having been first shown and demonstrated as a communications medium just 16 years prior. There were extremely few ships which had vacuum tubes as active devices to aid those first "radios." The tube was only 6 years old, the triode invented in 1906. To argue about "GPS" (which is not an integral part of GMDSS but can be) versus morse code is ludicrous. GPS relies on a time-frequency standard within each of the 24 GPS satellites which is comparable to the best time- frequency source at NIST. [the quartz crystal oscillator wasn't yet invented in 1912] Each satellite needs solid-state circuitry to make it function within a relatively small package. [the best "solid-state" device of 1912 was a galena crystal detector with its famous "cat's whisker"] The whole GPSS needed rocketry advanced enough to put all the satellites into orbit. [rocketry wasn't perfected for that purpose until after WW2] Those rockets needed launch guidance aided by radar systems. [radar, or rather a primitive system of it, wasn't tried until 1932 in a harbor area of France] However, "morse code" was used in the landline Morse-Vail Telegraph System working before the American Civil War and simple enough to turn a spark transmitter on and off as on the Titanic. Which system is presently inferior and virtually obsolete? On-off keyed CW. Except in the mindset of the ARRL. The IARU knows better. |
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Yet Another LennieRant
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm
wrote: From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm If the league pushes the morse testing issue too hard, it will become obvious to the 25% that are members. I don't think so. The Amateur Radiotelegraphy Society is very firmly SET in their ideas of keeping the "heritage" and "tradition" of being a living museum of archaic radio. Those firm believers and worshippers at the Church of St. Hiram are disciples and they haven't had their last supper yet. I have no objection to them trying to prservs thier mode the ARS is big enough even for unproductive thing It's "minority rule" when ARRL lobbies for preservation of morse code test for any amateur radio license class. The ARRL membership is slightly less than a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the ARRL and robesin announced that MARS and TSA have an agreement for armageddon communications. Heh heh, I wouldn't doubt it... :-) [via "giant meteor bounce?" ... off the earth, that is? :-) ] I thought Robesin had put on his (invisible) USMC uniform and was busy pounding brass with the USCG offshore from Beirut to evacuate US civilians? :-) now that remark I must take you to task for the last thing we want to sugest that robeson might wear is something invisible now that image IS a sexauly distrubing one Ahem...my reference was the old fairy tale, "The Emperor's New Clothes." :-) i thougt as much OTOH the image of robeson nude is still well To me it is UNwell... :-) That's the one where a full-of-himself ruler ordered some new clothes and the tailor buttered him up (while not sewing any new clothes) so much that the Emperor bought into this pandering to his ego and appeared in public with his "new clothes" (he was naked). Needless to say, the public laughed and laughed at this ridiculous spectacle. :-) indeed i laugh at him myself ruefully with the added though that this is thebest the procoder can muster Robesin is merely a product of the "incentive" licensing system where all those who hunger for being a "somebody" can get a Title - Rank - Privilege through a singular skill. I didn't make that system, neither did you, neither did anyone in these four forums. The FCC took a big chunk out of it (license classes and morsemanship skill) with the Restructuring of 2000 and that ****ed off the Title-Rank- Status seekers. Devout morsemen are angry and venting steam because their self-esteem has fallen. Robeson has been all full of himself in here about his alleged "USMC service" yet he has presented zero-point-zero evidence from anyone else (or any legitimate agency) that he ever served on active USMC duty for any of his claimed "18 years." Simply amazing. EIGHTEEN years alleged on active duty and he can't supply a single photo or document to support his claim? In November of this year I can truthfully say I've been in the southern California aerospace business 50 years. I have all sorts of documentation and photos on that which I may fully digitize some day (some are already digitized). Some time ago I posted my resume in here...which only made Robesin ballistic then since he has NO comparable experience in industry and cannot prove any radio experience other than amateur and alleged "chief operator" status at some small MARS station long ago. [that was before his less-than-a-half-year as a purchasing agent at a small set top box maker] In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV." That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list of life experiences (education, work experience). In the electronics industry, indeed in MOST industries, those applying for jobs don't present a curriculum vitae, just a RESUME of education-work experience. Some academics may use "CV" but Personnel departments still look over resumes. Just one more little gaffe on Robesin's part, trying to LOOK experienced when he is NOT. Even though he NOW thinks of himself AS the amateur radio service personified (anything against him is somehow against ALL radio amateurs), he is still parodying the "Emperor." Another sign of his megalomania, purporting to "represent all" and, by extension, anyone against Him is "against all radio amateurs." Robesin desperately needs SOMETHING to hold up his self-esteem and he uses amateur radio for that selfish purpose. It is like his infamous snot-on-the- moustache CAP flight suit picture, big on rank, title, and with implications of status. CAP is NOT about amateur radio but Robesin keeps on harping about it as if it "proved" something about his amateur radio abilities. He does the same with his "ER nurse qualifications" but those have absolutely nothing to do with radio, amateur or professional. But, challenge Robesin or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. Robeson MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with Robeson in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? |
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge (Anderson) or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. (Anderson) MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with (Anderson) in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues |
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge (Anderson) or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. (Anderson) MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with (Anderson) in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? but titles like that are Robeson stock in trade my content in his posts just ranting on and on about epople instead of Issues What "issues"...?!?! Lennie didn't address any "issue" other than the same tired rhetoric thgat he ALWAYS tries here... Ninety-nine percent of Lennie's post was about anythig OTHER than AMATEUR RADIO, Morkie. GMDSS is NOT Amateur Radio. SOLAS is NOT Amateur Radio. Lennie Anderson is NOT Amateur Radio. Steve, K4YZ |
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If Lennie Anderson Had To Tell The Truth Once, Would Bill Clinton Swear Off Big Mac's and White House Interns? With "Engineers" Like Lennie, It's No Wonder Everything Says "Made In Someplace Other Than The United States"
K4YZ wrote: an old freind wrote: K4YZ wrote: tried the same old tired rhetoric: But, challenge (Anderson) or call him in error and one will be inundated with personal insults. (Anderson) MUST be right and he MUST rule. Civil comportment be damned with (Anderson) in newsgroups. Those newsgroups were (in his mind) created to showcase Him? Yep. agreeing for once get help Get help for what? well a pro needs to way but Id say meglomanina paranoia, pathological lying for starts |
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