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Al Klein wrote:
You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign
language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer
CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most
rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow.


I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the
coercive force of the federal government to enforce your
preferences instead of mine? Of course you are!
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore
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Al Klein wrote:
You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign
language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer
CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most
rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow.


I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the
coercive force of the federal government to enforce your
preferences instead of mine? Of course you are!


Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's
surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer.

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Al Klein wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore
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Al Klein wrote:
You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign
language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer
CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most
rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow.


I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the
coercive force of the federal government to enforce your
preferences instead of mine? Of course you are!


Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's
surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer.

well are you still tlaking to anybody here AL

your problem is that we all see your number way to well for your comfort

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Al Klein wrote:
Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's
surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer.


My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours?
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's
surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer.


My MENSA membership number is 1006281. What's yours?


now ccil must not be boastfull he was just expresing his own stupidity
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From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am


Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.


Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)


Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.


The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...


The Indians learned to cut the telegraph wires early on. Saw that on
F-Troop. So they had to develop wireless about 30 years later to stop
that stuff from happening.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.


I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.


OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)


What was the movie where the SK dad was sending ham radio messages back
to his son?

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.


"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.


Well, yeh.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...


I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.


So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)


That actually scares me. Recall the one that was so poorly written in
1998?

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC.


Ed's got them busy with BPL, and that needs to go away.

Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.


Sounds like government. They rarely hire enough people or the right
people to get a really good end result.

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From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am


Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)

Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.


The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...


The Indians learned to cut the telegraph wires early on. Saw that on
F-Troop. So they had to develop wireless about 30 years later to stop
that stuff from happening.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.


OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)


What was the movie where the SK dad was sending ham radio messages back
to his son?

frequency

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.


"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.


Well, yeh.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.


So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)


That actually scares me. Recall the one that was so poorly written in
1998?

R&O poorly written or NPRM

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC.


Ed's got them busy with BPL, and that needs to go away.

Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.


Sounds like government. They rarely hire enough people or the right
people to get a really good end result.

it is the right people generaly have too much to work for them

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from: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm
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From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm
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From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm
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From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm
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From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm



In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP
personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen
several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing
flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian.


Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow
hall.


OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company
business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-)


I attended 3 weeks of CWPC training at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery,
Alabama. It hosts CAP HQ. Didn't see any CAP uniforms there, either.

Odd, though. The new owner of robesin's old vanity callsign, K4CAP,
resides in Montgomery, Alabama.

Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got
that 1,000 yard stare.


That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in
his bragging of what he did that never was... :-)


Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to
do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal
snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year
"career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years.


If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it
is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said.


I don't believe his bs.


Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully,
that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here
now.


Some of the whacko Anon's have championed robesin's cause, whatever it
might be.

I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT
naming a single military radio that was operational during his
alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is
classified!" :-)


Scuse me while I blow the pepsi out of my nose.

Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in
public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to
get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the
DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything
more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military
radios operational between the times of those two are easily
recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences
between families but the same case and general form). The
operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited
distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making
CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military
equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an
ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website
and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's
manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be
downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military
PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick-
look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list.
Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link
lists for other sites that have them.


Too much work for robesin. So he just "classified" everything. He was
definitely confused by Major Vincent and his key on a necklace. Hah!

Robesin DID list some (questionable) nomenclatures for MARS
equipment once but NOTHING else. That kind of info can be
had from other hams' personal websites. MARS doesn't
normally talk about regular military tactical radio gear.
MARS doesn't normally use such. :-)



If he was involved in MARS, it was probably just to eavesdrop on morale
calls from a lonely GI to his wife or girlfriend back home.

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Al Klein wrote in
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:54:31 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
You're preaching to the choir, Dave. I've had to handle foreign
language traffic phonetically by voice and by CW - and I much prefer
CW for that kind of work, even though I prefer voice for most
rag-chewing. As you say, needing it spelled out is quite slow.


I prefer phonetics myself. So are you advocating using the
coercive force of the federal government to enforce your
preferences instead of mine? Of course you are!


Of course you don't understand a thing Dave and I are discussing. It's
surprising that you can find the "on" switch on your computer.

plonk



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