Who's gonna see a single want ad in 300 postings about nothing?
Who wants to pilfer 300 postings about nothing to find a sale ad?
On the Somalia thing,
Do you mean extremists/terrorists that claim to follow Islam, or just basic
Islamists?
It looks like you mean the former.

Please understand that Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists/extremists, it
doesn't matter what religion they
claim to follow.

rb


wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Woody wrote:

Manual telegraphy? C'mon...

You do realize I'm a disgruntled radio swap group, off-topic, post
bombing
loser, right?
I'm just thinking this would be a great place for a radio swap group,
that's
all.
Everything I say is usually in sarcasm.....just to add stupidity to the
stupidty....
I've given up though and I'm going back to ebay...

Alright. List your stuff. Maybe someone is interested.

I've got a lot of respect for both. Served with the 2ID at Casey, and
again with the marines and 10th mountain in somalia.


Big Ol' Kudos to you bro. Somalians suck. I think there are indeed places
that qualify as Fourth-world countries.
Somalia, Nigeria, etc... LOL..
rb

It sucked.

Just got a message on the somalia reflector today. Seems the al qaida
is well liked in somalia because the country has been through 15 years
of chaos and lawlessness, and the islamists are now imposing their law.
I guess any law is better than none.

Reminds me, in part, how hitler came to power.

Woody wrote:
Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)

Woody wrote:
So you guys got sidetracked and missed the CW call so both your guys died.
You are the weakest link.
Goodbye.
rb

wrote in message
oups.com...
rom: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm

"Sidetracked?!?" :-)

I put this message into the Captain ARRL Superpower Decryption
machine and the machine broke down.

Last I looked (which was yesterday) there were NO Public Safety
radio services which used "CW" for either "life-saving" or distress
calls. The USCG doesn't monitor the OLD 500 KHz international
maritime distress and safety frequency any more. International
Civil Aviation Organization long ago stopped any need for carrying
"CW"-proficient air crew on over-ocean flights.

This "vital need" of maintaining a "pool of trained (morsemen)
operators" in the mighty amateur radio (militia?) ranks is a
wigment of olde-tyme morsemen's imagination.

In truth, I haven't checked out the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe they
have some kind of "need" for morsemen even though they use
121.5 MHz for emergencies just like all the CIVIL airways do.
[transponder squawk to 77 or 7700 if that is installed; 243 MHz
if a REAL military aircraft]

We'll have to see what the "pilot in command" of a TN CAP
two-seater has to say on that...if he isn't "busy" with his
"life-saving air patrols." :-)

George Orwell wrote:

Al Klein said:


Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.


Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements?

The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of
time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment.


Balance of original post has been REDACTED.

Dave wrote:
George Orwell wrote:

Al Klein said:


Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.


Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements?

The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of
time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment.
the use is hazing why not just coem out and say that


Balance of original post has been REDACTED.

Dave wrote:
George Orwell wrote:

Al Klein said:


Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.


Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements?

The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of
time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment.

In other words, you just can't come up with a valid
reason other than some emotional-traditional one, can you?

What is the return on that "investment?" Being good enough to
do 1930s radio operating? In a diversified HOBBY?

What you really seem to be saying is that "everyone has to do it
because you did it...so there, nyah, nyah..." :-)


Balance of original post has been REDACTED.

You have been redacted.

You have been rejected.

You have been inducted.

Here's a news flash: The job of the FCC (the agency that grants
amateur radio licenses...and hundreds of others...) is to regulate
and mitigate all USA civil radio. It does not tailor ham tests to
some nebulous "tradition" of the Archaic Radiotelegraphy
Society (ARS). I.E., it has no reason to demand anyone take a
manual morse code test except under the lobbying by the ARRL.

If you want to "preserve" the ARS as requiring morsemanship for
all privileges below 30 MHz, then you need to make up a Petition
and submit it to the FCC. You can even ask them to RENAME
the ARS to Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. The FCC allows
such petitioning. They even explain how to do it on their website.

Tell the FCC that you insist on maintaining 1930s standards of
radio communication well beyond 2030 by keeping that morse
code test forever and ever. The ARRL will love you for it. Go for
it!

wrote:
Woody wrote:

Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply
to this post....
rb

All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go
through Google archives since before they bought it from
DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of
postings in the same venal manner he continues to use...
especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which
he has never, ever proved through any third-party references,
digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his
own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ.

He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers
without the aid of Stan Lee.

:-)

There's some real gems in there.

Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his
last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made
comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with.
Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served.

"Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are
bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some
people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one
throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people"
do this sort of stuff.

"Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and
failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have
you picked up on his say so. Really.

"PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a
yiddish accent.

"PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you
give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert.

"HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots
and lots of inuendo.

Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a
Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been
injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says
he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated
by the VA. "Ask the VA."

Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of
some kind. Very short lived career.

Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of
some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not
blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP
volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm?

Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at
Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where
his old call now resides.

Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear
the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck
lavendar colo[u]red top.

Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those
medals he didn't earn.

Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't
know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is.

"MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it
here first.

A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo
featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she
was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy.

Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't
respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows
that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy.

Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife.
He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He
wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail
them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts
partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes
about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy.

I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests...

So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like
the way I think.

So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam
should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio.

I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!!

If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT.

Whether it be Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Little League coach, Soccer MOM, fishing,
poker playing, or just watching tv. All require INVESTMENT if it is to have value.

If you don't/can't make the INVESTMENT, find something else to become involved with.

It has nothing to do with hazing.

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an old friend wrote:
Dave wrote:

George Orwell wrote:


Al Klein said:



Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.


Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements?

The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of
time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment.

the use is hazing why not just coem out and say that


Balance of original post has been REDACTED.

"George Orwell" wrote in message
...
Al Klein said:

Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.

Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby.
What use is the code requirements?
I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing
around looking at ham and talking to
an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me.

But, given that many professional people like myself are stretched for
time, what good does all the licensing
and code requirements do for you besides build up boundries to doing
something new and fun?


If you will read Part 97 (the rules that govern amateur radio), the
government doesn't care about you doing something new and fun. The section
on basis and purpose makes it quite clear that their objectives are quite
different. They want people knowledgeable in ham radio and who are
interested in expanding that knowledge.


I'm in a pretty technical field, and I study to keep up in that field
everyday, the last thing I want to do,
is have to spend my weekends studying to talk on a radio. If less
stringent requirements were there, I could
easily afford the tools of the trade, and would like to just jump in and
start working with a ham setup. I'm
particularly interested in exploring the amateur radio/computer
connections.

I have no problem informally looking up information and learning on my own
(heck, that's what I'm doing in
the USENET group to begin with)...but, I just don't have the time for
archaic rules, regulations and codes
that as far as I can see...really serve no real purpose but, to keep out
busy people that might like to
participate.


Until and unless you have actually participated in amateur radio in a wide
variety of aspects, it is difficult to asses which rules, regulations,
knowledge, etc are archaic and which should remain as requirements. Notice
that the majority of people advocating ditching requirements are those who
have not yet passed those requirements, regardless of their age. Note that
the majority of people advocating keeping the requirements have passed them
and have experience in amateur radio again regardless of their age.

As far as "busy people" go, again refer to the basis and purpose as given in
the rules. The government is not concerned about your choice of how you use
your time. It has no bearing on what their goals are.

Can you give me valid reasons as to what useful purpose in today's age
they serve?


Every piece of knowledge has its uses. The difficult part is winnowing
through it and decide what should be tested and what should not.

Here's why I think code should still be tested:
1. It is still one of the basic building blocks of ham radio. For example,
one of the "hot" digital modes is PSK31. The developer drew upon personal
experience and incorporated features derived from that mode to make a robust
digital mode.
2. Because it is not "book learning", too many people will avoid it since
it is different than the type of learning they are accustomed to. They will
falsely think it is hard when in reality it is different. Requiring them to
learn it gets them over that resistance hump.
3. Each and every mode has its strong points and weak points. Each of us
that participate in ham radio should attempt to gain personal experience in
those modes so that we know by that personal experience what those strengths
and weaknesses are.

If you are interested, I could construct various scenarios where mode X is
the best mode. However, unless you specifically want to know, I won't
clutter up the newsgroup at this time with discussions that have been
repeated many times by many people already.

Dee, N8UZE

LenAnderson, You have obviously made an INVESTMENT in your technical profession.
Make one in your participation in the radio service!!

Amateur Radio is a SERVICE!!! If you only think of it as a hobby your thinking
is flawed.

/s/ Dave, BSEE, Program Chief Engineer-retired, LGM-118A(RS), MK21/W87

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