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Dave Heil wrote: I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System. I recall Jim Miccolis saying more about the US Judicial System than anyone else. |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm Sounds about right. I wonder if Val worked at Radio Shack, if he would be ineligible for an ARRL elected office (i.e., a volunteer)??? No, not with his "company man" statements about loving morse and willing to toe the line drawn by the wire- pullers in Newington. The ARRL can do no wrong. Besides, with Heil and Miccolis' endorsements, he would be a shoe-in. No problem. Huzzah! :-) That might be pretty close to the mark. You, on the other hand, are close to *The Mark*. Now Heil starts in with the Robesin-like inuendo. Swell guys, these Extras. What inuendo? You and Mark have been chatting with each other in recent days right here, have you not? Now prepare for the male genitalia, homosexual inuendo, claims of pedophilia, and the consumption of excrement remarks from Robesin, while Dave and Jim stand by silently endorsing such behavior. How does "silent endorsement" work out in practice? Silent? You now participate in Robesin-like behavior. Your words, just up the page: "...by silently endorsing..." Who is Robesin and how does my use of your words make my behavior like his? Dave K8MN |
Jimmy's Follies In Bad Analogies
From: 951 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:28 pm
wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:42 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Sep 4 2006 5:30 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am It's not a manufactured dispute, Len. You brought it up, now you don't want to hear about it. Let's review that one: You and some of your neighbors tried to keep the zoning ordinances in your neighborhood stuck in the past. Okay, so this is retro on not on amateur radio, but let's review how Jimmy MANUFACTURES something out of nothing. When the original part of my "neighborhood" was zoned, it was all Residential, Single Family homes. Normally such residential zones remain as-is for many decades. They aren't whim-changed to the "latest model" in zoning codes...especially residential zones. Radio regulations aren't usually changed on a whim, either. Tsk. "Radio regulations" are changed in a democratic process where someone petitions the FCC, the FCC then publishes a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on it and gives ALL CITIZNS the chance to Comment on it. The FCC then does some review and analysis of all Comments and decides. That is HARDLY a "whim," sweetums. Everyone interested can Petition their government but that doesn't set well with you ham homies, does it? You are on some self-imposed Character Assassin on a Mission and MUST have your way! [you can't kill but you hope to talk everyone to death? :-) ] "A house is a house is a HOME"? A house is just a building. People make it a home. Lovely homily. Did you have homily grits for breakfast? Get it from a "Little Morse on the Prarie" episode? Despite all the changes that have occured since the early 1960s, you did not want the zoning changed. What were "all the changes that have[sic] occured since the early 1960s" in my neighborhood, Well, for one, there was a developer who was willing to take on developing a piece of vacant land. In the 1980s, sweetums, NOT in the 1960s or 1970s. You are OFF by 20 years and more. But the point is that a lot of changes have occurred in the real-estate and construction industries in 40+ years. New technologies - new methods - new financial and tax environments. Tsk. I'm acquainted with most of those...IN THIS AREA. You are NOT. You MIGHT pull out a "Ramsey and Sleeper" ('Architectural Graphic Standards', Wiley) and crib from that (you can find them in used book stores now fairly cheap) but you would be, as usual, behind times. I have up-to-date Codes on Los Angeles buildings, electrical, plumbing and can get Expert information on "tax environments" and "financial environments" from two different neighbors...plus a couple of realtors I know and three long-time building equipment suppliers as well. Can you say the same? NO. NOT in this area. People also live differently. There are more blended families, more divorced people, more two-career-with children families, etc. WTF? Have you been raiding the pop culture magazines at your corner newsstand? More diversity, IOW. Los Angeles has been DIVERSE for a long, long time. I could go into a long list of various ethnic groupings here but that would only anger you some more. :-) But you wanted to keep your neighborhood stuck in the past, with the "little boxes on the hillside'... We weren't "stuck in the past," Jimmie. We LIVE here. The hillsides go up and down roughly 900 feet in elevation and the "boxes" average about 21,000 square feet floorspace. My back yard is 820 feet MSL (that's a term from aviation referring to above Mean Sea Level), and quite unlikely to be flooded. :-) The area ground is mostly decomposed granite and quite stable. Sure - 40 years ago, Does that mean the zoning should never ever change? Zoning should NOT change on a whim. LIVING, in a home isn't subject to radio regulations. Humans have had homes for thousands of years. Radio is only 110 years old, early radio hardly comparable to modern radio; it has changed many times in that short span. Try reading up on Real Property, the concept and the laws governing it over the known thousands of years of humans having homes. Or did they mean homes with apartments attached, as for relatives (sometimes called "mother-in-law suites"? Last I looked, mothers in law ARE FAMILY. Do YOU have a mother in law, Jimmy? Mine have passed on. Here's a clue, Len: An apartment can be a home, same as a 'house' can be a home. Here's a BIGGER "clue," Jimmy: This thread is about "using 'CW' in an emergency" not your constant bringing-up of old Character Assassination charges. Besides, I mentioned ZONING ordinances, not your small-caliber assassination ammunition. That owner managed to get the zoning code changed over the protests of several of us and the neighborhood association at a city zoning board meeting in the middle of the 1990s. "Several of you". Interesting. Hundreds of homes in your neighborhood but only "several of you" protested. Tsk, your argument is over minutae. I didn't do an Exact Head Count sweetums. Neither am I going to trot out old paperwork just to refute some kind of weird "charges" you bring up. The meetings had OVER a hundred people based on filling the two meeting places, both having a maximum- occupancy fire marshall's sign. :-) Pay attention to what you quoted from me later on...there's a number there...but you didn't comment on that. The point is you opposed the change. And you thought those who were already *in* the neighborhood should overrule those who were trying to "get into" the neighhborhood. Ah, your "point" is clear. :-) You are trying to make an analogy to amateur radio regulations and the arguments over retention/elimination of the morse code test. Okay, so you must LIVE in "the bands" with your little Elecraft. My neighbors and I live in HOMES HERE, not really concerning themselves with radiotelegraphy. Not only have you mixed metaphors but you have mixed your fruit cocktail of "analogies" very, very badly. IOW, he went through the hazing ritual of meeting *your* concept of the neighborhood. More little boxes on the hillside.... "Hazing ritual?" :-) It is common practice for a developer in an established neighborhood to meet with those already in the neighborhood and associations of that neighborhood. Here's how it works: (1) The developer does planning and submits that to the city agencies for approval. (2) It is NOT necessary by law to have the developer meet with an established neighborhood, but is a good PR move and avoids problems later on. (3) Established neighborhoods really have NO say in the type/kind of dwellings approved by the city. We could take that to our city councilmembers if there was a reason to "change" things. That developer needed 9 months of earth moving about a quarter million cubic yards of soil to make those lots; it was a VERY rough terrain to begin with. And you complained about the noise, too... Ah, we should be SHEEP accepting everything? :-) You don't understand the scope of operations on 15 acres adjacent to one's back yard, do you? Want to listen to at least a dozen OHSA back-up beepers from 7 AM to late afternoon? Of course you do, must be like morse code on "the bands." :-) The 44 houses were built (sold before completion, despite the rising cost of homes) in a gated community called "Montelena." Very upscale. The neighborhood association did not fight that. We were back to the original zoning code, all single family residences. Right - you kept the status quo. They had to do it the way you did it - single family detached homes on a particular size of lot (1/3 to 1/4 acre). "Status quo?" From undeveloped property being a part of nature to developed houses with streets, hillside irrigation and landscaping. Damndest definition of "status quo" I've seen in years! :-) Most of the new 44 lots were on quarter-acre plots, had to be two-story all of them. Pricing was "above $400K" and ALL were sold before construction, landscaping was finished. No twins, no duplexes, no triplexes, no townhomes, and most of all no (shudder) APARTMENTS! "Townhomes?" Hardly any of those outside of Center City in Los Angeles, Jimmy. Townhomes are for the old, old structures back east, like in Philly. :-) but as the neighborhood association as a group wanted it (over 400 residence members). Those of us who OWN residences and LIVE in them understand that a residence area should change zoning laws as little as possible. How is that any different from those of us *in* amateur radio and who participate in it. who understand that a some regulations should change as little as possible? Oh, dear, you are REALLY stuck in comparing lettuce with lava, aren't you? :-) Earth to Jimmy: Come in, Jimmy, you are drifting too far into deep space with your analogy vessel. You are starting to resemble "Brewster Rockit, space guy" in the comic strips. Yawn, there is MORE of Jimmy's exercise in assassination futility. The neighborhood association wanted the original single-family residence zoning kept. Not just me, several hundred others all were of the same opinion about our homes and adjacent areas. How many others did not oppose the zoning changes? Those weren't polled, Jimmy. L.A. has a few million in population. I suppose somewhere, someone would be "opposed" to just about anything, but they all seemed to be OUT of our city council district and never present at the neighborhood meetings. What about the people who wanted to live in the residences the first developer wanted to build? What did they want? Did anyone ask *them*? The city of Los Angeles has a practice of mailing and/or handing out notices of new construction adjacent to residence areas, utility repairs and changes, and just about everything involving residential areas. As far as that goes, it would be safe to say that ALL were "asked." If some don't want to reply, well, that is their business. It sure as hell isn't YOUR business to act all huffy and whacko about a residential are in another state at least 2000 miles away from you. :-) Oh, and there are dozens of basic house plans in several hundred acres of "my" neighborhood and only 2 others are of the same plan as mine. But they're all basically the same - single-family-detached residences of a certain age, size and construction. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! In your twister logic an H3 is "the same" as a Mini Cooper...both have four wheels on the ground, have steel construction, have seats inside, are painted on the outside. "Basically the same?" You are nuts. Have a nice dance on your twister pattern. Why should radio amateurs not oppose the changes an outsider like you wants to force on us, when you opposed the changes an outsider tried to force on your neighborhood? The amateur bands are a sort of home to us, not you. Jimmy boy, get a grip on reality. The FCC makes the regulations that all ham homies have to obey. ALL. "The bands" can change at any time on lawful order of the FCC. The FCC is NOT INVOLVED in residential zoning, dwelling construction, or even utility services to communities (except for incidental RFI from power lines, and certain things about wireline telephone and TV service). The FCC is bound by law to listen to ALL interested citizens on ALL radio and wireline and interstate communications services. That includes the mobile radio "trailer park" you describe "the bands" to be. If there is a nearby (not IN my neighborhood) radio amateur causing RFI to me or my neighbors we have EVERY right to complain to the FCC about that amateur. If you don't like the EM spectrum where "you live" you have every right to move to another allocated band. You have that OPTION. But you are restricted BY LAW to the little homie ham bands. I can go live anywhere I want (very few restrictions), house, apartment, mobile home, a different city, a different state. Freely. Can't do the same with a residence building. It stays fixed and so do the utilities and the real estate taxes while we really LIVE in our homes. We can't "turn off" anything adjacent to a residence if we don't like it, not like you can with your little radio. Most of us neighbors don't LIVE in our radios or TVs, Jimmy. Just about ALL of us. There's some here who HAVE radios and computers and cell phones (1 in 3 Americans have cell phones) but most of us don't "LIVE" in them. "Max Headroom" "lived" in a computer-TV but he wasn't real. Are you REAL, Jimmy, or just a wigment of your own imagination? I bought my home-house-dwelling-livingplace in 1963, $30,500 for building and land, 6 1/4% mortgage. In today's market- place I could get $600K (give or take) on it and move elsewhere, still save money. [I like it HERE] Can you do that with your "radio home," Jimmy? Remember, amateur radio is "without pecuniary interest!" :-) Will I see you at the next Los Angeles City meeting concerned with dwellings, residences, etc.? Why not? Could it be that you are not only a NON-PARTICIPANT in being a Los Angeles resident? Or maybe its because all you really wanted to do is attempt Character Assassination in a newsgroup? You failed at that, too, Jimmy. Bye-eee. |
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From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm
wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm wrote: BUT...*ONLY* if they love, honor, and obey manual morse code and the ultra-noble ARRL (which can do no wrong). In other words, a "Val Germann" type. :-) Sounds about right. I wonder if Val worked at Radio Shack, if he would be ineligible for an ARRL elected office (i.e., a volunteer)??? No, not with his "company man" statements about loving morse and willing to toe the line drawn by the wire- pullers in Newington. The ARRL can do no wrong. Besides, with Heil and Miccolis' endorsements, he would be a shoe-in. No problem. Huzzah! :-) That might be pretty close to the mark. Now prepare for the male genitalia, homosexual inuendo, claims of pedophilia, and the consumption of excrement remarks from Robesin, while Dave and Jim stand by silently endorsing such behavior. Don't forget Robesin's "threats" to contact our wives. Or his attempts at being "another" poster (anonymous, of course) to misdirect our time. :-) I'd say that Herr Robust and Mother Superior secretly WANT to say what Major Dud does but are afraid to do the same. If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the "Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility you had. Tsk, tsk, Heil does NOT control or define "credibility." He is NOT a "participant" in credibility. :-) I'm an active participant in amateur radio. You are irrelevant to amateur radio. (1) The FCC regulates US amateur radio, NOT its "participants." Lose the "boyz in da hood" attitude...it is not relevant. (2) The FCC will (it must, by law) accept input on any regulations under Title 47 C.F.R. from ANY CITIZEN. There is NO "requirement" that anyone "must be licensed" or be "an active participant" in US amateur radio. (3) The issue of morse code testing of amateur radio license applicants affects those WHO MIGHT WANT TO GET INTO AMATEUR RADIO. Already-tested extras are NOT INVOLVED in GETTING INTO amateur radio; they are already "in" it. Have you understood these truisms as they've been explained to you? If so, feel free to re-stick your carrot, Wallace. Go mind your business at "Anti-Pesto." Okay, let's all hear it for the ARRL as part and parcel of the US Judicial System (as the Believers intone here)! ARRL and morsemanship are noble, good, and true, can never be wrong! :-) I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System. Your statement is diversionary bafflegab. Poor baby. Can't dig the sarcasm and ridicule? Closed minds can't accept any other views so such must appear as "bafflegab." Must be irritating to be so disadvantaged, one-sided. |
Jimmie has "Inside Voices!"
From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 4:15 pm
wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:42 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Sep 4 2006 5:30 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: Tsk, tsk, Mother Superior grabs Herr Robust's swagger stick and beats on a 7-year dead horse! All because you need to denigrate a no-code-test advocate who disagreed with your absolute rules? [on FCC 98-143, the NPRM which eventually became the latest "restructuring" of US amateur radio] You really love Necro-Equine Flagellation, don't you? :-) How many radio amateurs are enforcement problems because of their youth? Let it GO, Jimmy. That old argument of yours is senile and in dementia. That was over seven years ago and the FCC did their decision thing and "restructuring" (of 2000) happened. How many radio amateurs are enforcement problems because of their youth, Len? Let it GO, Jimmy. That old argument of yours is senile and in dementia. [some of us think you are, also] That was over seven years ago. Take a downer and go to bed. If you still think that 6 year olds and 9 year olds are MATURE, your head isn't on straight. Can you name even *one* case where the "maturity" of a young radio amateur was an issue in an FCC enforcement action? Try answering the subject. I am, Len. You are NOT answering my question, Mother. Here it is again: Do you think that 6 and 9 year olds are MATURE? Even 6 year olds and 9 year olds know to speak with "inside voices", Len. Shouting does not get them what they want. It's immature behavior. "Inside voices?" You are hearing things that no one else can hear? Amazing! So, 6 to 9 age group does "Not" shout? Tsk, tsk, you should pay attention to your own classroom, Mother! :-) Tell us about the "inside voices" you hear. Sounds fascinating. OTOH, your behavior here indicates that you, Len, are nowhere near mature enough to operate an Amateur Radio station. It's a good thing you're on Usenet and not the Amateur Radio bands. BWAAAHAHAHA!!!! Jimmy, eat my shorts. :-) Mother Superior, go to the laundry room...you may have wet yourself getting so angry. :-) You're the one acting out, Len... Tsk, you DID wet your panties! Poor baby. But, YOU say I'm "nowhere near mature enough to operate an amateur radio station?!?" BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! *based on your behavior here*, you're not, Len. Oh, oh, oh...how "bad" of me...I failed to gratuitously praise little Jimmie on his manly accomplishments, like his "friends and neighbors" do who come over to his radio room and heap praise upon his magnificence...! :-) All it takes is for someone to disagree with you on the Morse Code test issue, and you behave in a very immature way. Now, now, little Jimmie. Don't pout. Remember you are among some grown-ups here and cannot have your way all the time. STOP sniveling. Blow your nose. Poor lilla boy...no-code-test advocates have given their valid arguments in favor of the code test elimination and YOU DON'T LIKE IT! Oh, boo-hoo for the 'mature' morseman extra! Perhaps you need a time-out. "Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday." Have lotsa fun at work in the 'transportation industry.' I will think about you for at least 5 milliseconds... |
jim weighes in selective ly of course
wrote: wrote: wrote: Why should radio amateurs not oppose the changes an outsider like you wants to force on us, when you opposed the changes an outsider tried to force on your neighborhood? if len were the only one youu would have a point but still Len is a member of the public as such he has everight and civic duty to demand it be used properly The amateur bands are a sort of home to us, not you. except you want to enage in redlining, an ilgeal practice in most cases of those hams like myself that simply disagree with as to what is proper No sweat to me, Mark. Jimmie wasn't here, wasn't a PARTICIPANT in the zoning board meetings, doesn't own land or property out here but is desperately searching for some kind of "incident" to GET EVEN! :-) Sigh...Jimmie just can't help hisself, I guess. Morsemen think they are top dogs when they are only little dachshunds in the kennel. Arf, arf. :-) |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?Q
Anonymous wrote:
Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ... From Webster's: "service - an administrative division of government" In the USA, that means a service TO the citizens BY the government. The service comes from the government, not from the citizens. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?Q
Cecil Moore wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Can you explain the service aspects of ham radio ... From Webster's: "service - an administrative division of government" In the USA, that means a service TO the citizens BY the government. The service comes from the government, not from the citizens. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the word "service" is used as the type and kind of radio being regulated. It is a regulatory term in that context. One can write the FCC and get that information. All too often, amateurs who think too much of themselves try to use "service" as equivalent to some (undefined) "national service" such as being a part of the military or a government position. :-) Part 95 describes Citizens Band Radio SERVICE and the Radio Control Radio SERVICE. :-) |
jim weighes in selective ly of course
From: on Mon, Sep 11 2006 4:06 am
on 10 Sep 2006 22:01:05 -0700, " wrote: wrote: wrote: The amateur bands are a sort of home to us, not you. except you want to enage in redlining, an ilgeal practice in most cases of those hams like myself that simply disagree with as to what is proper No sweat to me, Mark. Jimmie wasn't here, wasn't a PARTICIPANT in the zoning board meetings, doesn't own land or property out here but is desperately searching for some kind of "incident" to GET EVEN! :-) Sigh...Jimmie just can't help hisself, I guess. Morsemen think they are top dogs when they are only little dachshunds in the kennel. Arf, arf. :-) now that is fine breed of dog Len very loyal good around children more like rottweilers or bpit bulls they trained to kill ones of course Well, I'm not a dog fancier. My wife has three cats. :-) Them little "weenie dogs" are nice (as dogs). My analogy was on the self-defined, self-righteous mantle of "leader- ship" of the morse zealots in here...as if they were Big Dogs such as German Shepherds. :-) They aren't and homemade elevator shoes won't make them big men (or dogs). Jimmie cut loose in the kennel, trying to take a bite out of me on a subject very far removed from amateur radio. He was toothless on that, poor chap, but did give me some textual exercise. :-) Unable to grasp a hammer (or a concept), he tried to construct a straw structure AS IF he was knowledgeable about MY residence territory. He isn't, wasn't previously. But, he has some kind of terrible irritation, maybe a burr or lice, and wants to bark, bark, bark about some "equivalancy" of homes to "the (amateur) bands." Illogical in extremis. Jimmie ought to learn that amateur radio is NOT run by "da boyz in da 'hood" (i.e., licensed amateurs) but the FCC. Hams do NOT have "eminent domain" of "the bands" but the government DOES. You and most of the others in here are too young to have witnessed the outraged uproar over 27 MHz CB when it was created out of the TAKEN-AWAY amateur 11m band. Olde tymers of that time thought They owned that band. Olde tymers of now still think they "own" the present ham bands, their "'hood" and try to mark their territory. Their marking graffitti is poorly done and most of their marking is done by urination. :-) [a natural act of feral males, by the way] Arf, arf, |
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