On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:48:36 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

Some
advanced appliance operators know enough to connect other peripheral devices
such as digital mode devices or power amplifiers, but do not know how these
devices work, nor how to construct such devices.

An amateur radio license is an entry level license.

There are a few classes - ONE class is entry level.

It is not a university degree. When I obtained all amateur privileges
at the age of 15, I didn't know squat.

"When I robbed a man at the age of 15, I wasn't arrested." Does that
make robbery legal? Your experience is only that - your experience,
it's not definitive.

All I had done is memorize
the ARRL License Manual. Six years later I had a EE degree. What
is wrong with learning the technical stuff after one obtains his
entry level license?

Nothing, if you don't care that the license means nothing more than
that you have it.

Al Klein wrote:
An amateur radio license is an entry level license.

There are a few classes - ONE class is entry level.

They are all entry level. The Extra class license allows
entry into the Extra class frequency segments. An amateur
license is not a status symbol. Its only worth is the
privileges granted. In the 1950's, generals, conditionals,
advanced, and extras all had the same frequency privileges.
I would like to see one amateur license granting all
amateur privileges so this crazy irrational pecking order
nonsense would cease.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:05:37 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
An amateur radio license is an entry level license.

There are a few classes - ONE class is entry level.

They are all entry level. The Extra class license allows
entry into the Extra class frequency segments.

Using that logic, a PhD oral is an entry level exam - it allows entry
into the ranks of those with PhDs.

An amateur
license is not a status symbol. Its only worth is the
privileges granted. In the 1950's, generals, conditionals,
advanced, and extras all had the same frequency privileges.

Except that there were no advanced class licenses, and the extra was a
prestige license.

Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
They are all entry level. The Extra class license allows
entry into the Extra class frequency segments.

Using that logic, a PhD oral is an entry level exam - it allows entry
into the ranks of those with PhDs.

As far as I know, there is no governmental PhD class
license and therefore no governmental ranks of those
with PhDs.

An amateur
license is not a status symbol. Its only worth is the
privileges granted. In the 1950's, generals, conditionals,
advanced, and extras all had the same frequency privileges.

Except that there were no advanced class licenses, and the extra was a
prestige license.

You don't seem to know much about 1950's ham licenses.
You didn't know that Conditional was a General exam
taken by mail. You don't know there were many Advanced
class hams in the 1950's faithfully renewing their
licenses. My Elmer was an Advanced licensee. Here's
a quote from a 1957 ARRL License Manual: "Holders of
Advanced Class licenses may renew them so long as they
can comply with renewal requirements."
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:47:21 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:14:47 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:48:36 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

It is not a university degree. When I obtained all amateur privileges
at the age of 15, I didn't know squat.

"When I robbed a man at the age of 15, I wasn't arrested." Does that
make robbery legal? Your experience is only that - your experience,
it's not definitive.

impling that Cecil stole his license by passing the tests of the day

Not even close, but your accusation is close to being libelous.

YOU want the license as some sort of badge of honnor

No, I want it to mean what it meant for decades - that the holder had
demonstrated a certain level of knowledge.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:41:18 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:22:13 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:47:21 -0400, wrote:

"When I robbed a man at the age of 15, I wasn't arrested." Does that
make robbery legal? Your experience is only that - your experience,
it's not definitive.

impling that Cecil stole his license by passing the tests of the day

Not even close, but your accusation is close to being libelous.

the accusation is your not mine

Your accusation that I implied that Cecil stole his license is mine?
Not in this universe.

YOU want the license as some sort of badge of honnor

No, I want it to mean what it meant for decades - that the holder had
demonstrated a certain level of knowledge.

it has never meant that, not as a matt r of law

Just as a matter of fact (before you were aware of ham radio), not in
law. Now it doesn't mean anything in fact, just in law.

Al Klein wrote:
Your accusation that I implied that Cecil stole his license is mine?
Not in this universe.

Who was it who said a Conditional exam taken away
from an FCC office probably involved cheating?
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:59:46 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:

Your accusation that I implied that Cecil stole his license is mine?
Not in this universe.

Who was it who said a Conditional exam taken away
from an FCC office probably involved cheating?

I don't know. You?

Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Who was it who said a Conditional exam taken away
from an FCC office probably involved cheating?

I don't know. You?

It was someone who replied to my posting about receiving
a Conditional class license in the '50's. I thought it
was you. If it wasn't, my apologies.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:26:50 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:

Who was it who said a Conditional exam taken away
from an FCC office probably involved cheating?

I don't know. You?

It was someone who replied to my posting about receiving
a Conditional class license in the '50's.

I wouldn't even think along those lines.

I thought it was you. If it wasn't, my apologies.

Accepted.