From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

wrote:
Tsk, just because NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, ESPN, and PBS haven't
covered the tremendously fantastic wonderfullest huge contribution
to saving lives and property via ham radio?

At http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm is a news story
about two Boy Scouts saving an 18 month old little girl
from drowning.

Okay, I suppose that is a nice story. If one accepts the
"Drudge Report" as journalism. It's a BLOG.

Instead of using verbal communications, how
about a parable about how those Boy Scouts could have
chosen to use Morse Code?

Your question is unconnected to your first sentence.

How does one "use morse code" to save a drowning
child? Why would they do that if they were in close
proximity?

Please tell us why it is SO important to be "correct"
on details of the Titanic disaster that happened 94
years ago?

I asked another in here who-what-why-where-when of
amateur radio saving any lives via morse code. That
hasn't been answered yet. Maybe you can supply the
details?

wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Instead of using verbal communications, how
about a parable about how those Boy Scouts could have
chosen to use Morse Code?

Your question is unconnected to your first sentence.

How does one "use morse code" to save a drowning
child? Why would they do that if they were in close
proximity?

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Please tell us why it is SO important to be "correct"
on details of the Titanic disaster that happened 94
years ago?

I asked another in here who-what-why-where-when of
amateur radio saving any lives via morse code. That
hasn't been answered yet.

Nor will it be.

Maybe you can supply the
details?



Cecil can't. Cecil tried to appease the morse jihadists a while back
by joining in their rrap cw net. In the end, they still can't stand
his views on morse testing.

From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm


wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Instead of using verbal communications, how
about a parable about how those Boy Scouts could have
chosen to use Morse Code?

Your question is unconnected to your first sentence.

How does one "use morse code" to save a drowning
child? Why would they do that if they were in close
proximity?

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)


Please tell us why it is SO important to be "correct"
on details of the Titanic disaster that happened 94
years ago?

I asked another in here who-what-why-where-when of
amateur radio saving any lives via morse code. That
hasn't been answered yet.

Nor will it be.

MYTHOLOGY cannot be argued logically. It is part of the lore,
the mystique promulgated by groups who think they are far
more than they really are.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

Some folks think those works of fiction are "real" and like
to cite them to those of us who know better. That and all
the other tales of the Olde Dayes when Kode was King and
all the "best" radio men pounded brass. That was long, long
ago when radio was new, something to communicate with that
did not exist before it came along.


Maybe you can supply the details?

Cecil can't. Cecil tried to appease the morse jihadists a while back
by joining in their rrap cw net. In the end, they still can't stand
his views on morse testing.

The RRAP morse jahidists MUST have THEIR way. They NEED
the elitist identification to prove they are "somebodies"
who are "better" than ordinary mortals through morsemanship.
They get very tiresome rather quickly.

I'm calling them the new "Al-Code-ah" since they might be
organized and beginning to terrorize amateurs with their
demands of code-testing-forever in the USA.

I've nothing against those who LIKE to use morse code and
find pleasure in that mode. I am totally against those who
DEMAND that ALL MUST test for morsemanship (at any speed)
just to get an amateur radio license. They are fixated on
their youth and times past, trying to delude themselves that
time has marched on and all of electronics technology has
changed many times over since They began.

It's quite remarkable viewing some of those olde-tymers
trying to tout their "I am the greatest" bragging, especially
so since I began in radio communications back before some of
them had yet to be born or at least before they became teen-
agers! These olde-tymers blabber on about the efficacy of
morsemanship long, long after ALL the other radio services
stopped using morse. For them time stood still...or they
refused to acknowledge the inexorable passage of time.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm


wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Instead of using verbal communications, how
about a parable about how those Boy Scouts could have
chosen to use Morse Code?

Your question is unconnected to your first sentence.

How does one "use morse code" to save a drowning
child? Why would they do that if they were in close
proximity?

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)

Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.

Please tell us why it is SO important to be "correct"
on details of the Titanic disaster that happened 94
years ago?

I asked another in here who-what-why-where-when of
amateur radio saving any lives via morse code. That
hasn't been answered yet.

Nor will it be.

MYTHOLOGY cannot be argued logically. It is part of the lore,
the mystique promulgated by groups who think they are far
more than they really are.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.

Some folks think those works of fiction are "real" and like
to cite them to those of us who know better. That and all
the other tales of the Olde Dayes when Kode was King and
all the "best" radio men pounded brass. That was long, long
ago when radio was new, something to communicate with that
did not exist before it came along.

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.

Maybe you can supply the details?

Cecil can't. Cecil tried to appease the morse jihadists a while back
by joining in their rrap cw net. In the end, they still can't stand
his views on morse testing.

The RRAP morse jahidists MUST have THEIR way. They NEED
the elitist identification to prove they are "somebodies"
who are "better" than ordinary mortals through morsemanship.
They get very tiresome rather quickly.

I'm calling them the new "Al-Code-ah" since they might be
organized and beginning to terrorize amateurs with their
demands of code-testing-forever in the USA.

I've nothing against those who LIKE to use morse code and
find pleasure in that mode. I am totally against those who
DEMAND that ALL MUST test for morsemanship (at any speed)
just to get an amateur radio license. They are fixated on
their youth and times past, trying to delude themselves that
time has marched on and all of electronics technology has
changed many times over since They began.

It's quite remarkable viewing some of those olde-tymers
trying to tout their "I am the greatest" bragging, especially
so since I began in radio communications back before some of
them had yet to be born or at least before they became teen-
agers! These olde-tymers blabber on about the efficacy of
morsemanship long, long after ALL the other radio services
stopped using morse. For them time stood still...or they
refused to acknowledge the inexorable passage of time.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...



I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.

From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm


wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)

Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.

The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...


The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.

OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.

"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.


The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.

So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC. Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.

wrote:
From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)

Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.

The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...

The Indians learned to cut the telegraph wires early on. Saw that on
F-Troop. So they had to develop wireless about 30 years later to stop
that stuff from happening.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.

OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)

What was the movie where the SK dad was sending ham radio messages back
to his son?

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.

"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.

Well, yeh.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.

So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)

That actually scares me. Recall the one that was so poorly written in
1998?

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC.

Ed's got them busy with BPL, and that needs to go away.

Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.

Sounds like government. They rarely hire enough people or the right
people to get a really good end result.

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm

wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am

Darn those Cell Phones! A cell phone was used to call paramedics, not
a code key.

Impossible according to the rabid morsemen. "ALL" infrastructure
(including cell phones) "FAIL" in emergencies! :-)

Yes, yes. I know. I don't know what to make of it.

The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...

The Indians learned to cut the telegraph wires early on. Saw that on
F-Troop. So they had to develop wireless about 30 years later to stop
that stuff from happening.

The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.

OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)

What was the movie where the SK dad was sending ham radio messages back
to his son?
frequency

I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.

"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.

Well, yeh.

The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.

So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)

That actually scares me. Recall the one that was so poorly written in
1998?
R&O poorly written or NPRM

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC.

Ed's got them busy with BPL, and that needs to go away.

Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.

Sounds like government. They rarely hire enough people or the right
people to get a really good end result.
it is the right people generaly have too much to work for them

From: on Fri, Aug 25 2006 4:22 pm


wrote:
From: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:49 pm
wrote:
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:58 pm
wrote:
From: Cecil Moore on Wed, Aug 23 2006 6:38 am



The rabid morsemen are still in the 1950s when there was NO
"911" and certainly not cellular telephony. Even so, an
ordinary telephone could had called for help in the 1950s.

In the communications industry of today, the emphasis is
on WiFi and - still - cell phone technology. It's BIG
Business shown rather dramatically on rooftops and towers
all over the USA.

A couple years ago the US Census Bureau stated that one in
three Americans had a cell phone subscription. That's like
nearly 100 million of us...

The Indians learned to cut the telegraph wires early on. Saw that on
F-Troop.

The characters of "F-Troop" are still with us. Unable to sit a
horse, they now masquerade as amateur morsemen.


The ARRL resells a few fictional novels by a single author
(a gal) whose subject is mainly "saving the day" with
amateur radio, several of which are supposed to feature
the "life-saving abilities" of morsemanship. I've never
read any, just read the ad copy for them on the ARRL
website. In the writing trade those are known as
"teen-age novels" and are for the under-adult age group.

I've read several of them to my son when he was younger. The first
books were written by a guy. He's passed on, and now in the same
style, they are written by a gal.

OK, that's cool. As long as the readers can understand that
a novel is a work of fiction, fine. There are still a few
chowderheads who think the film "Independence Day" was a
documentary! :-)

What was the movie where the SK dad was sending ham radio messages back
to his son?

"Frequency." So-so movie in my personal reviews, nothing to pay
first-run admission for...


I immensely enjoyed the works of fiction served up by W0EX (SK), and
K3LT, where the story was so contrived that ONLY cw could save the day.

"Contrived?!?" :-) Whole-cloth BS I'd put it.

Well, yeh.

:-) All of them are wrapped up in their warm-and-fuzzy psych
blanket where They are the "best radio ops." As if... :-)


The "Al-Code-Ah" continue in their Jihad...

I'm curious what's really holding up the FCC on the issue.

So am I. It's nine months since the official close of
Comments on the NPRM.

Nine months? Gestation almost complete? "Birth" of an R&O
soon? :-)

That actually scares me. Recall the one that was so poorly written in
1998?

I didn't think it was "poorly written." Morsemen did. They
wanted to burn the FCC at the stake, ressurect them and have
them tortured in many ways... :-)

I'll just put it down to the FCC very busy with lots and lots
of other things to attend to in DC.

Ed's got them busy with BPL, and that needs to go away.

Ed doesn't seem to be DOING much. He is powerless to stop Access
BPL. ARRL doesn't realize that Access BPL just won't hold up in
the marketplace and will die of its own accord.


Amateur radio is small
stuff in the big scheme of things in all of radio. FCC prolly
has only one staffer working on the old NPRM and that one may
be time-sharing other work in progress.

Sounds like government. They rarely hire enough people or the right
people to get a really good end result.

The FCC was never chartered to be a cheerleader for amateur radio.
FCC merely regulates and mitigates civil radio services in the USA.
Amateur radio hobbyists need to stop their pipe-dreaming about
"greatness" and realize that they've long since been overtaken by
many, many other radio services. Some of those radio services
(Public Safety of Private Land Mobile Radio Services) are the ones
doing the everyday 24/7 role of assisting police, fire, and medical
agencies doing the ACTUAL saving of lives.

Some in here think amateur radio is "important." That's because
the ARRL has brainwashed them with false beliefs. Amateur radio
is a HOBBY, an avocational pursuit, a pleasureable personal free-
time activity done for the fun of it.

The sooner ARRL gets its rational side out in front the better it
will be for the olde-tyme morsemen to attrit gracefully and with
some measure of dignity. Not in the frozen-in-time-to-1930 fantasy
radio world they depict in their bragging and boasting.

From: on Fri, Aug 25 2006 4:45 pm


wrote:
from: on Thurs, Aug 24 2006 6:39 pm
wrote in message
oups.com...
From: on Wed, Aug 23 2006 7:46 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Aug 22 2006 7:14 pm
wrote:
From: on Mon, Aug 21 2006 6:30 pm
wrote:
From: an old friend on Mon, Aug 21 2006 3:16 pm
wrote:
From: on Sun, Aug 20 2006 2:57 pm

In all my visits to USAF bases I've never seen any CAP
personnel there, let alone some in a poopy suit. I've seen
several civilians on USAF bases, employed by the USAF, wearing
flight suits and clearly identified as to being civilian.

Saturdays. They bring the kids in for a tour and a meal at the chow
hall.

OK, that explains it. :-) If I was on-site for some company
business, I wouldn't be there on weekends. :-)

I attended 3 weeks of CWPC training at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery,
Alabama. It hosts CAP HQ. Didn't see any CAP uniforms there, either.

Odd, though. The new owner of robesin's old vanity callsign, K4CAP,
resides in Montgomery, Alabama.

Wonder what rank the new owner has in the CAP? :-)


Oh, I don't know. After a hard day behind the microphone, he's got
that 1,000 yard stare.

That's also a symptom of anoxia...lack of oxygen used up in
his bragging of what he did that never was... :-)

Tsk, all that work he does in trying to bluff us. All he had to
do was present SOME sort of document proof or even a personal
snapshot taken while in that "hostile-action-filled" 18 year
"career" in the USMC. He hasn't done so after many years.

If he can't present a single item of 18 years of his life, it
is hard for the rest of us to believe anything he said.

I don't believe his bs.

Any rational, sane person can't believe his claims. Hopefully,
that is most of us reading some of the garbage going on in here
now.

Some of the whacko Anon's have championed robesin's cause, whatever it
might be.

All those anony-mousies are as frustrated and angry as Robeson.
It is only natural they would all hang together.


I found it uproarious that Robeson tried to cover up his NOT
naming a single military radio that was operational during his
alleged 18-year "USMC career," claiming "all the information is
classified!" :-)

Scuse me while I blow the pepsi out of my nose.

:-) True. It's in Google archives going back several years.


Absolute bull****. The names, ID, functions have all been in
public view...the 'Public' being the makers or those wanting to
get in on an RFQ (Request for Quote) being advertised by the
DoD. Even though I never operated (as a civilian) anything
more than an old ARC-27 or PRC-119 SINCGARS, all the military
radios operational between the times of those two are easily
recognizeable to me (well, the VRCs have lots of differences
between families but the same case and general form). The
operating manuals are NOT classified, just in limited
distribution. LOGSA the Logistics Supply Agency is busy making
CDs of all the printed manuals for darn near ALL military
equipment; it's a piece of cake to pop one of those CDs in an
ever-present military PC and read them. LOGSA has a website
and even civilians can download some of the older equipment's
manuals. LOGSA has some internal priority on what can be
downloaded (depending on the cookie generated by a non-military
PC). That was a tip I got from rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
and rec.radio.amateur.homebrew. The nomenclatures and quick-
look facts are on a couple websites in a long, long, long list.
Even BAMA has some manuals for free download plus big link
lists for other sites that have them.

Too much work for robesin. So he just "classified" everything. He was
definitely confused by Major Vincent and his key on a necklace. Hah!

More than one in here is confused about "key lists." In commo
crypto, the "key lists" are very, very restricted and essential
for encryption...not the brag lists of "essential" personnel of
an organization. Robeson got called on military crypto by Hans
over a long period of Robeson trying to tell off Brakob. Didn't
work.


If he was involved in MARS, it was probably just to eavesdrop on morale
calls from a lonely GI to his wife or girlfriend back home.

Could be, but then anyone with a reasonably good receiver and
a tiny-wire antenna could do that...

MARS is the ONLY commo thing in the military that Robeson MIGHT
be aquainted with. He doesn't know snit from shoe-polish on the
REAL commo gear.

From: on Fri, Aug 25 2006 4:55 pm


Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

In another recent post, Robesin keeps referring to a "CV."
That's an acronym for the Latin 'curriculum vitae,' a list
of life experiences (education, work experience). In the
electronics industry, indeed in MOST industries, those
applying for jobs don't present a curriculum vitae, just a
RESUME of education-work experience. Some academics may
use "CV" but Personnel departments still look over resumes.
Just one more little gaffe on Robesin's part, trying to
LOOK experienced when he is NOT.

You're out of touch, old timer.

You're out of touch, world traveler.

Brits commonly use the term "CV"

robesin isn't a brit, is he?

Heil has about as much experience with Personnel departments (they
are called "Human Resources" now) as he has in getting along with
normal people (i.e., those not frozen in time to when code was
king).

Heil endured a double-decade in government service so he could get
a nice pension. In such a position Heil would have zero-point-zero
experience with resumes in trying to get a job interview anywhere
in industry.


instead of "resume". Many American companies have picked up on the use
of the term "CV". It is not just used in academia:

No wonder jobs are going overseas.

Heil is NOT interested in any "CV" definition. All he wants to do
is trash-talk his adversaries of the past in here. Heil is a
morseman. I am not. I don't revere the Department of State as
having any large international radio network (they don't, much of
what they have now goes through the DSN). Heil needs to flash all
that "government experience" to show how Big and "radio-wise" he
is, a "somebody" in a group of amateurs so he can stand tall. :-)

The REAL subject is MORSEMANSHIP. Heil is big on that because he
can do it and did it. BFD. What is before the FCC right now is
whether the USA will eliminate or keep the morse code test for an
amateur radio license. Heil has his license through morsemanship.
He could care zero-point-zero about anyone but himself in that,
certainly not anyone who might get into amateur radio someday.

MORSEMANSHIP is of NO USE in the bigger world of radio comms of
today...except in the minds of olde-tyme AMATEURS in radio who are
frozen in times long past.