wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am


wrote:

From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm


wrote:


BUT...*ONLY* if they love, honor, and obey manual morse code
and the ultra-noble ARRL (which can do no wrong).

In other words, a "Val Germann" type. :-)

Sounds about right. I wonder if Val worked at Radio Shack, if he would
be ineligible for an ARRL elected office (i.e., a volunteer)???

No, not with his "company man" statements about loving
morse and willing to toe the line drawn by the wire-
pullers in Newington. The ARRL can do no wrong.

Besides, with Heil and Miccolis' endorsements, he would
be a shoe-in. No problem. Huzzah! :-)



That might be pretty close to the mark.

Now prepare for the male genitalia, homosexual inuendo, claims of
pedophilia, and the consumption of excrement remarks from Robesin,
while Dave and Jim stand by silently endorsing such behavior.


Don't forget Robesin's "threats" to contact our wives.
Or his attempts at being "another" poster (anonymous,
of course) to misdirect our time. :-)

I'd say that Herr Robust and Mother Superior secretly
WANT to say what Major Dud does but are afraid to do the
same.

If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that
you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the
"Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility
you had.

Herr Robust seems ready to break out and reveal his
REAL hate, though, he thinks he's a PARTICIPANT. :-)

What "REAL hate" is that, Leonard?

I'm an active participant in amateur radio. You are irrelevant to
amateur radio.

Okay, let's all hear it for the ARRL as part and parcel
of the US Judicial System (as the Believers intone here)!
ARRL and morsemanship are noble, good, and true, can
never be wrong! :-)

I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System. Your statement is
diversionary bafflegab.


Dave

Dave Heil wrote:

I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System.

I recall Jim Miccolis saying more about the US Judicial System than
anyone else.

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System.


I recall Jim Miccolis saying more about the US Judicial System than
anyone else.

I recall your bringing up the comparison.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Tues, Sep 12 2006 7:48 am

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


Who is "Brian?"

If you don't know that information, all of your latest diatribe is
rather pointless.

PRICELESS quote. Kept as an "approved answer" for future use.
:-)

You NEVER seem to have a problem with Robesin's use of "Brain." Ever.

You've NEVER been advised of my position on the matter. Ever.

Perhaps you should hold a State Department PRESS CONFERENCE
to explain it to the public? :-)


But here you are complaining about other people again.

For the record, tell us what it is that you were doing in the post to
which I am now responding.

"For the record" tell us about your quite-evidence hypocrisy
rationales in here. :-)

Were you and Len not complaining about K4YZ in recent days?

Who is "K4YZ?"

Why can't you use this individual's NAME?

After all, you tacitly condone his conduct in this newsgroup.
You must be "good buddies" in the treehouse, both of you
being amateur extra morsemen.

Tsk, BAD public relations for US amateur radio.

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:


I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System.


I recall Jim Miccolis saying more about the US Judicial System than
anyone else.

I recall your bringing up the comparison.

I don't recall you saying anything to Jim Miccolis about it.

wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:



I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System.


I recall Jim Miccolis saying more about the US Judicial System than
anyone else.

I recall your bringing up the comparison.


I don't recall you saying anything to Jim Miccolis about it.

I recall your bringing it up.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm

wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm
wrote:

BUT...*ONLY* if they love, honor, and obey manual morse code
and the ultra-noble ARRL (which can do no wrong).

In other words, a "Val Germann" type. :-)

Sounds about right. I wonder if Val worked at Radio Shack, if he would
be ineligible for an ARRL elected office (i.e., a volunteer)???

No, not with his "company man" statements about loving
morse and willing to toe the line drawn by the wire-
pullers in Newington. The ARRL can do no wrong.

Besides, with Heil and Miccolis' endorsements, he would
be a shoe-in. No problem. Huzzah! :-)

That might be pretty close to the mark.

Now prepare for the male genitalia, homosexual inuendo, claims of
pedophilia, and the consumption of excrement remarks from Robesin,
while Dave and Jim stand by silently endorsing such behavior.

Don't forget Robesin's "threats" to contact our wives.
Or his attempts at being "another" poster (anonymous,
of course) to misdirect our time. :-)

I'd say that Herr Robust and Mother Superior secretly
WANT to say what Major Dud does but are afraid to do the
same.

If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that
you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the
"Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility
you had.

Tsk, tsk, Heil does NOT control or define "credibility."
He is NOT a "participant" in credibility. :-)

I'm an active participant in amateur radio. You are irrelevant to
amateur radio.

(1) The FCC regulates US amateur radio, NOT its
"participants." Lose the "boyz in da hood"
attitude...it is not relevant.

(2) The FCC will (it must, by law) accept input on any
regulations under Title 47 C.F.R. from ANY CITIZEN.
There is NO "requirement" that anyone "must be
licensed" or be "an active participant" in US amateur
radio.

(3) The issue of morse code testing of amateur radio
license applicants affects those WHO MIGHT WANT TO
GET INTO AMATEUR RADIO. Already-tested extras
are NOT INVOLVED in GETTING INTO amateur radio; they
are already "in" it.

Have you understood these truisms as they've been explained
to you? If so, feel free to re-stick your carrot, Wallace.
Go mind your business at "Anti-Pesto."


Okay, let's all hear it for the ARRL as part and parcel
of the US Judicial System (as the Believers intone here)!
ARRL and morsemanship are noble, good, and true, can
never be wrong! :-)

I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System. Your statement is
diversionary bafflegab.

Poor baby. Can't dig the sarcasm and ridicule? Closed minds
can't accept any other views so such must appear as
"bafflegab." Must be irritating to be so disadvantaged,
one-sided.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm


wrote:

From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am

wrote:

From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm

wrote:


BUT...*ONLY* if they love, honor, and obey manual morse code
and the ultra-noble ARRL (which can do no wrong).

In other words, a "Val Germann" type. :-)

Sounds about right. I wonder if Val worked at Radio Shack, if he would
be ineligible for an ARRL elected office (i.e., a volunteer)???

No, not with his "company man" statements about loving
morse and willing to toe the line drawn by the wire-
pullers in Newington. The ARRL can do no wrong.

Besides, with Heil and Miccolis' endorsements, he would
be a shoe-in. No problem. Huzzah! :-)

That might be pretty close to the mark.

Now prepare for the male genitalia, homosexual inuendo, claims of
pedophilia, and the consumption of excrement remarks from Robesin,
while Dave and Jim stand by silently endorsing such behavior.

Don't forget Robesin's "threats" to contact our wives.
Or his attempts at being "another" poster (anonymous,
of course) to misdirect our time. :-)

I'd say that Herr Robust and Mother Superior secretly
WANT to say what Major Dud does but are afraid to do the
same.

If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that
you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the
"Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility
you had.


Tsk, tsk, Heil does NOT control or define "credibility."

I'm quite capable of understanding and using the definition of the word.
You are absolutely guilty of carrying out that which you deride in others.

He is NOT a "participant" in credibility. :-)

I'd stake my credibility against yours any time, Leonard. :-) :-)


I'm an active participant in amateur radio. You are irrelevant to
amateur radio.


(1) The FCC regulates US amateur radio, NOT its
"participants."

You are not the FCC. I rest my case.

Lose the "boyz in da hood"
attitude...it is not relevant.

You don't give orders here or in amateur radio.

(2) The FCC will (it must, by law) accept input on any
regulations under Title 47 C.F.R. from ANY CITIZEN.

You are certainly "any citizen". You've had your input accepted. Happy?

There is NO "requirement" that anyone "must be
licensed" or be "an active participant" in US amateur
radio.

Can you tell us what percentage of changes to the FCC regs governing
amateur radio have come about because of input or ideas from ordinary
citizens, not associated in any way with amateur radio?

(3) The issue of morse code testing of amateur radio
license applicants affects those WHO MIGHT WANT TO
GET INTO AMATEUR RADIO.

There you have a dilemma. Alternatively, you've told us that you don't
have any desire to obtain an amateur radio license and that you've had a
decades-long interest in amateur radio.

Already-tested extras
are NOT INVOLVED in GETTING INTO amateur radio; they
are already "in" it.

....and any change which comes to amateur radio directly effects each and
every radio amateur.

Have you understood these truisms as they've been explained
to you? If so, feel free to re-stick your carrot, Wallace.
Go mind your business at "Anti-Pesto."

Your "truisms" don't seem to be true, Leonardo. What's "Anti-Pesto",
another thing you're against?


Okay, let's all hear it for the ARRL as part and parcel
of the US Judicial System (as the Believers intone here)!
ARRL and morsemanship are noble, good, and true, can
never be wrong! :-)

I recall pointing out to Brian Burke that we were discussing ARRL
elections and *not* the U.S. Judicial System. Your statement is
diversionary bafflegab.


Poor baby. Can't dig the sarcasm and ridicule?

Tsk, tsk. Poor Bafflegab-Is-Us Anderson. You're still on the outside,
still irrelevant and still in the dark over the carrot and stick.

Closed minds
can't accept any other views so such must appear as
"bafflegab." Must be irritating to be so disadvantaged,
one-sided.

Funny that your paragraph applies to your actions concerning amateur
radio regulation. You don't tolerate any views other than your own.
You don't play well with others.


Dave

From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 2:46 pm

wrote:
From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm
wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am
wrote:
From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm
wrote:


If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that
you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the
"Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility
you had.

Tsk, tsk, Heil does NOT control or define "credibility."

I'm quite capable of understanding and using the definition of the word.

AND Hypocrisy. Witness your repeated use of "red-hatted
monkey" and "organ grinder" and "group myna (bird)" and
"Major Hoople" and a dozen or other subriquets (and brick-
bats) applied to those you cannot relate to...a small
sampling of your arrogant variation of "playing with others."


(1) The FCC regulates US amateur radio, NOT its
"participants."

You are not the FCC.

YOU are not of the FCC, not an official thereof, just another
amateur extra who gets overly angry at opposing opinions
when nobody obeys his arrogant 'commands.'

I rest my case.

Too heavy for you to carry? Ask a senior citizen to help you.

Lose the "boyz in da hood"

No. The name is almost perfect in describing the 'tude
of the morsemen dudes.

You do NOT tell me what to do, Herr Robust.

You don't give orders here or in amateur radio.

YOU sure as hell do NOT. :-)


(2) The FCC will (it must, by law) accept input on any
regulations under Title 47 C.F.R. from ANY CITIZEN.

You are certainly "any citizen".

I am a citizen of the United States of America.


(3) The issue of morse code testing of amateur radio
license applicants affects those WHO MIGHT WANT TO
GET INTO AMATEUR RADIO.

There you have a dilemma.

None at all. I got INTO radio in 1953.

Alternatively, you've told us that you don't
have any desire to obtain an amateur radio license

True. I was granted a Commercial First 'Phone in 1956. That's
a license for a professional. I lost interest in being an
amateur after being a professional.

..and that you've had a decades-long interest in amateur radio.

I've had a decades-long interest in RADIO and ELECTRONICS.

So much so that I made a career change about 48 years
ago and stayed in radio-electronics. I didn't limit
myself to just amateurism...


Have you understood these truisms as they've been explained
to you? If so, feel free to re-stick your carrot, Wallace.
Go mind your business at "Anti-Pesto."

Your "truisms" don't seem to be true, Leonardo. What's "Anti-Pesto",
another thing you're against?

Had you seen a full-length animated film called "The
Curse of the Were-Rabbit" in 2005 you would understand.
You do not understand the joke, therefore you did not
see a funny movie. :-)

Go rent a DVD of it and enjoy...that is, if you can
enjoy being away from da boyz in da 'hood, sipping
hot buttered rum in front of a fireplace with guys
trying to make fun of others. :-)

Funny that your paragraph applies to your actions concerning amateur
radio regulation.

Tsk, tsk, all I am doing is advocating the elimination
of the amateur radio morse code test.

You don't tolerate any views other than your own.

I tolerate those who demand retention of the code test
in perpetuity with no validity other than their emotion
and selfishness. I also speak out against them. The
pro-code-test morse zealots cannot handle that, poor
babies. Not my problem.

If someone wants to do REAL debate, discussion I will be
more than happy to comply. But that does not mean I
will lie down and accept everything they say.

You don't play well with others.

I don't "play" with arrogant retrogrades intent on being
the ruler in some archaic radiotelegraphy society...I tell
everyone what they are, stand up to them, and tell them
what to do with their "carrot": Stick it.

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 2:46 pm


wrote:

From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm

wrote:

From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am

wrote:

From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm

wrote:



If you'd say that, you'd certainly be wrong in my case. I'd say that
you accuse others of doing things and then you break out in the
"Robesin-Herr Robust-Mother Superior" mode and destroy any credibility
you had.

Tsk, tsk, Heil does NOT control or define "credibility."

I'm quite capable of understanding and using the definition of the word.


AND Hypocrisy. Witness your repeated use of "red-hatted
monkey" and "organ grinder" and "group myna (bird)" and
"Major Hoople" and a dozen or other subriquets (and brick-
bats) applied to those you cannot relate to...a small
sampling of your arrogant variation of "playing with others."

As I told you earlier, you get what you dish out. You'd no sooner blown
back into this newsgroup when you started with the cutesy names. Brian
is guilty of the same technique. As for Mark, his posting record speaks
for itself. He *is* the group Myna bird.



(1) The FCC regulates US amateur radio, NOT its
"participants."

You are not the FCC.


YOU are not of the FCC, not an official thereof...

No, I am not. You just stated who regulates U.S. amateur radio.
You are not one who does.

just another
amateur extra who gets overly angry at opposing opinions
when nobody obeys his arrogant 'commands.'

How much anger makes up "overly angry", Len? What gives you the idea
that I'm angry at all? Nobody has given more commands or invited more
people to leave than Len Anderson.


I rest my case.


Too heavy for you to carry? Ask a senior citizen to help you.

Are you volunteering to carry my luggage, Len?

Lose the "boyz in da hood"


No.

You're responding to something you wrote?

The name is almost perfect in describing the 'tude
of the morsemen dudes.

You do NOT tell me what to do, Herr Robust.

Well, Foghorn, you told you what to do. You responded to an error in
the attributions. Well done. Len Anderson isn't going to push Len
Anderson around!


You don't give orders here or in amateur radio.


YOU sure as hell do NOT. :-)

You can capitalize words and stomp your tired old feet all day long. As
long as I'm able to continue enjoying amateur radio and you stand on the
outside, pouting, life is pretty good, Len. Have a nice day.

(2) The FCC will (it must, by law) accept input on any
regulations under Title 47 C.F.R. from ANY CITIZEN.

You are certainly "any citizen".


I am a citizen of the United States of America.

What'd I just write? Your citizenship is acknowledged. You commented to
the FCC. Happy now?

(3) The issue of morse code testing of amateur radio
license applicants affects those WHO MIGHT WANT TO
GET INTO AMATEUR RADIO.

There you have a dilemma.


None at all. I got INTO radio in 1953.

You keep flipping the channel, OM. You wrote "AMATEUR" RADIO above.
Now you've switched to the generic "radio". You've never gotten into
"AMATEUR radio".


Alternatively, you've told us that you don't
have any desire to obtain an amateur radio license


True. I was granted a Commercial First 'Phone in 1956. That's
a license for a professional. I lost interest in being an
amateur after being a professional.

It looks as if you have your wish. You needn't worry about amateur
radio. Feel free to appoint yourself advocate for something-or-other in
professional radio.


..and that you've had a decades-long interest in amateur radio.


I've had a decades-long interest in RADIO and ELECTRONICS.

That isn't what you wrote. You used the words "amateur radio".

So much so that I made a career change about 48 years
ago and stayed in radio-electronics. I didn't limit
myself to just amateurism...

You've limited yourself by not including "amateurism". You're a victim
of inertia.



Have you understood these truisms as they've been explained
to you? If so, feel free to re-stick your carrot, Wallace.
Go mind your business at "Anti-Pesto."

Your "truisms" don't seem to be true, Leonardo. What's "Anti-Pesto",
another thing you're against?


Had you seen a full-length animated film called "The
Curse of the Were-Rabbit" in 2005 you would understand.

I didn't choose to see it. It sounds awful.

You do not understand the joke, therefore you did not
see a funny movie. :-)

I've seen lots of funny movies, Len. Some of 'em were even
intentionally funny.

Go rent a DVD of it and enjoy...

You don't give orders here, Len.

...that is, if you can
enjoy being away from da boyz in da 'hood,

Do you wear your pants at half mast and your ball cap backward?

...sipping
hot buttered rum in front of a fireplace with guys
trying to make fun of others. :-)

It's much too warm for the hot buttered rum. I'm still enjoying mint
juleps. We don't generally light a fire in the fireplace until sometime
in October. It is rare that we laugh at anyone other than the wrinkled
kid with his pants at half mast. He stands outside and periodically
barks an order.


Funny that your paragraph applies to your actions concerning amateur
radio regulation.


Tsk, tsk, all I am doing is advocating the elimination
of the amateur radio morse code test.

Yep. You want just a little piece of something in which you aren't
involved.


You don't tolerate any views other than your own.


I tolerate those who demand retention of the code test
in perpetuity with no validity other than their emotion
and selfishness.

On the other hand, you don't see your own actions as selfish and you
don't see that is possible that you are wrong. You've shown no
tolerance for those whose views is opposite your own.

I also speak out against them. The
pro-code-test morse zealots cannot handle that, poor
babies. Not my problem.

Sure it's your problem. Your own manner is part of your problem, poor
baby. Tsk, tsk.

If someone wants to do REAL debate, discussion I will be
more than happy to comply.

You've claimed in the past to only be here for civil debate. Your
record shows otherwise. Your words are disingenuous.

But that does not mean I
will lie down and accept everything they say.

There has been no evidence that you accept *anything* they say. You
don't even accept it standing up.


You don't play well with others.


I don't "play" with arrogant retrogrades intent on being
the ruler in some archaic radiotelegraphy society...

I know of no such organization. Give 'em my regards.

I tell
everyone what they are, stand up to them, and tell them
what to do with their "carrot": Stick it.

The above statement points the way to your failure to win converts in
this venue. Just continue to stand there, on the outside, and tell us
how to construct the building, kindly old gent.


Dave