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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem!
In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham radio. I was amazed at the responses that were both negative and critical of supporting a group that wanted to protect our borders. I suspect some passengers were probably tsk tsking the only guy in four airplanes with the guts to do something to stop the rag heads on 9/11. How else can you explain rag heads armed ONLY with box cutters were able to control three airplanes? Many of the younger generation find it easier to criticize than take action. Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat sheets". This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways. Do I think that everyone should have to do what I did to become a ham? Nope, I can live with the memorized exams, the no code, etc. Like the parable of the workers in the vineyard, I accept the rules have changed. At no place in the parable does it tell the late arriving workers to ridicule those that worked all day. Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an old fart just like me. As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects. Unlike a number of you, we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It is called respect, and is a two way street. Realize that when I was a newby, I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts. They believed that for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to snatch the pebble from their hand. None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the brotherhood will naturally follow. If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well. wrote in message oups.com... Newsflash: ALL radio operators, code or no-code, are "appliance operators" as you colloquially state. A radio is a means to communicate. Knowing code just adds another way to use that radio. Quite true, Opus! Thank you for pointing that out. Let us hope that Blowcode sticks to his ARRL "Archie" comic books while he mimes the "Wizard of Oz's" scarecrow wishing he had a brain. :-( |
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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
Fred Hambrecht wrote:
It's Not a Code, no code problem, it's a generational problem! In the past week, the articles that seemed to get the most play on ham sites were the Southern Border Volunteers and the lack of brotherhood in ham radio. I was amazed at the responses that were both negative and critical of supporting a group that wanted to protect our borders. I suspect some passengers were probably tsk tsking the only guy in four airplanes with the guts to do something to stop the rag heads on 9/11. The hijackers on Flight 93 were stopped by more than one guy. And the people on the other planes did not know the hijackers were on a suicide mission. How else can you explain rag heads armed ONLY with box cutters were able to control three airplanes? Simple: - The hijackers killed one or two people who tried to resist. - Then they said they had a bomb aboard. - They also said that if the passengers did as they were told, nobody else would get hurt. You have to remember that before that terrible morning 5 years ago, suicide-hijacking was unknown. Hijackers took over planes to get ransom, or to get transportation somewhere, or for political reasons. They always had demands and always promised that if their demands were met, nobody would get hurt or killed. And the conventional way of dealing with them was to do what they wanted, get the plane on the ground safely, negotiate, and then go after them on the ground. All that changed on Sept 11, 2001. Look what happened when that shoe-bomb guy tried it. The folks on Flight 93 had two things the people on the other flights did not: 1) They *knew* the rules had changed - they knew what the hijackers were going to do. 2) They had time to formulate a plan and time to implement it. Many of the younger generation find it easier to criticize than take action. Just like their predecessors. Ham radio went to hell when Dick Bash got involved with his published "cheat sheets". Well, I don't know if it "went to hell" but I agree 100% that Bash's "cheat sheets" were a very bad thing for amateur radio. Remember, though, that it was the top folks at FCC who decided not to prosecute Bash. Lower-level FCC officials had evidence against him, and wanted to go after him with criminal charges - but the leadership said no. Those FCC folks who decided to let Bash get away with his "cheat sheets" almost 30 years ago were not young people then. This piece is from the prospective of a ham with over 50 years spewing RF throughout the world. At 68 years of age, I look back at my start in ham radio, appearing before a steely eyed FCC examiner in Norfolk Virginia. I missed the distance for a Conditional license by about 11 miles. I had to walk between school and home in the snow, uphill both ways. HAW! That's a good one! Do I think that everyone should have to do what I did to become a ham? Nope, I can live with the memorized exams, the no code, etc. Like the parable of the workers in the vineyard, I accept the rules have changed. At no place in the parable does it tell the late arriving workers to ridicule those that worked all day. But is it fair that someone who works an hour should get the same pay as someone who works ten hours doing the same thing? Just as sure as these words are on your screen, you too will someday be an old fart just like me. As you enter the dotage of your life, health concerns and the condition of your aged friends, becomes more of a concern. We, like you, used to talk about more contemporary subjects. Unlike a number of you, we allowed the older folks to have their conversations without ridicule. It is called respect, and is a two way street. Realize that when I was a newby, I suffered the same as you at the hands of the old farts. They believed that for you to enter their group, you should first show respect and learn to snatch the pebble from their hand. Well, I'm 52, and next month I will have 39 years as a radio amateur. None of you started in your working life as the CEO of the company, yet many of today's generation feel that a newly minted license conveys total knowledge. What you have is a license to learn, take advantage of it and the brotherhood will naturally follow. If we all took the time to show each other respect, and be less quick to judge, not only would ham radio be better, but our lives as well. That I can agree with! 73 de Jim, N2EY Not an appliance operator. |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: As I told you earlier, you get what you dish out. You'd no sooner blown back into this newsgroup when you started with the cutesy names. Brian is guilty of the same technique. As for Mark, his posting record speaks for itself. He *is* the group Myna bird. Who is "Brian?" If you don't know that information, all of your latest diatribe is rather pointless. Point made. That you can't answer the question shows that you are as clueless as you actually pretend to be. You NEVER seem to have a problem with Robesin's use of "Brain." Ever. You've NEVER been advised of my position on the matter. Ever. I have by your actions. You complain about Len, Mark, and for whatever reason, my use of "cutesy" names. Never have you mentioned Robesin's use of "Brain." But here you are complaining about other people again. For the record, tell us what it is that you were doing in the post to which I am now responding. Were you and Len not complaining about K4YZ in recent days? His constant use of "cutesy" names which you seem to have an objection to, but only when other people use them. You're as two-faced as a person can be. Get over yourself. |
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From: on Tues, Sep 12 2006 3:37 am
Dave Heil wrote: As I told you earlier, you get what you dish out. You'd no sooner blown back into this newsgroup when you started with the cutesy names. Brian is guilty of the same technique. As for Mark, his posting record speaks for itself. He *is* the group Myna bird. Who is "Brian?" You NEVER seem to have a problem with Robesin's use of "Brain." Ever. Hypocrisy in action, Brian. :-) Heil belongs to the cute coterie of elite morsemen extras. As such he thinks he has "federal authorization" to do whatever he pleases anywhere. :-) But here you are complaining about other people again. No sweat, Brian, it's business as usual with the elite, smug, arrogant, and oh-so-"superior" extras... :-) Their dictum is "Morsemen are NEVER at fault, ever!" Really BAD public relations for US amateur radio. |
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From: Dave Heil on Tues, Sep 12 2006 7:48 am
wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Who is "Brian?" If you don't know that information, all of your latest diatribe is rather pointless. PRICELESS quote. Kept as an "approved answer" for future use. :-) You NEVER seem to have a problem with Robesin's use of "Brain." Ever. You've NEVER been advised of my position on the matter. Ever. Perhaps you should hold a State Department PRESS CONFERENCE to explain it to the public? :-) But here you are complaining about other people again. For the record, tell us what it is that you were doing in the post to which I am now responding. "For the record" tell us about your quite-evidence hypocrisy rationales in here. :-) Were you and Len not complaining about K4YZ in recent days? Who is "K4YZ?" Why can't you use this individual's NAME? After all, you tacitly condone his conduct in this newsgroup. You must be "good buddies" in the treehouse, both of you being amateur extra morsemen. Tsk, BAD public relations for US amateur radio. |
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From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 9:45 pm
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 2:46 pm wrote: From: Dave Heil 940 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:26 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 7:55 am wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:53 pm wrote: As I told you earlier, you get what you dish out. Tsk, I've gotten no "dishes" from this newsgroup. Most of it is 'macaroni and chiz." :-) You'd no sooner blown back into this newsgroup when you started with the cutesy names. "Blown back?" :-) Tsk, tsk, I've been in here since before the world's greatest DXer was here, back when he WAS DX (paid for by the US taxpayer). :-) Brian is guilty of the same technique. Brian got "dishes?" I'll have to ask him. Maybe we can compare the cooking up of ersatz "food" by all the extra super-special morsemen. [overcooked by them, as usual] As for Mark, his posting record speaks for itself. He *is* the group Myna bird. Tsk. No sooner had you blown back into this newsgroup when you stated with the cutesy names. But, you hypocritically rationalize that as "approved" and "condoned" since you are an extra super-special morseman. YOU are not of the FCC, not an official thereof... No, I am not. You just stated who regulates U.S. amateur radio. You are not one who does. True. But YOU pretend to be the RULER (by some posturing and preening and smug superiority) of it, the one who "approves" and "disapproves" of conduct. :-) ... Nobody has given more commands or invited more people to leave than Len Anderson. Who is this "Len Anderson"? How did you arrive at the numbers of "leave commands?" Did you check with the person who has the callsign N2EY? Remember, only HIS numbers are the "correct" ones. :-) Well, Foghorn, you told you what to do. Hypocrisy in action. It is "approved" for extra super- special morsemen to use any words they see fit, but NOT good conduct for NON-morsemen to do the same. Tsk, tsk. You can capitalize words and stomp your tired old feet all day long. Tsk. CAPITALIZING words needs to be done in some cases to get through to the tired, closed-mind morsemen who cannot comprehend anyone having opinions other than morsemen's imaginings of glory. Sometimes there's no other recourse but to use a 2x4 to bang on the heads of 1x2s. :-) As long as I'm able to continue enjoying amateur radio and you stand on the outside, pouting, life is pretty good, Len. Have a nice day. Tsk, tsk. All I'm doing is advocating the elimination of the morse code test for US amateur radio licensing...for the benefit of anyone who might want to enjoy the HOBBY of amateur radio. While you thought you were high up in some kind of amateur morse treehouse, I was way up in the big REAL radio high-rise some distance away, much higher up and communicating with many more humans. Enjoy your ham radio. We all see you have lots of pickles to go with that ham. [the pickel dill is making your face and words all puckered?] Bon apetit. My day is dandy. I have some free time to consider more about the retrograde attitudes of olde-tyme elite morsemen who wish to keep US amateur radio forever in the standards and practices of Their youth. That without thinking that Their youth is long gone. Yet they posture and preen about their (self-described) greatness without realizing that they are simply imagining things. I am a citizen of the United States of America. What'd I just write? Your citizenship is acknowledged. Amazing! Heil actually "conceded" that I was correct! Now, if only the person known as "N2EY" can concede to my statements being right, it would be a cause for celebration! :-) You commented to the FCC. Happy now? No. The FCC has taken NO VISIBLE ACTION on the NPRM of last year. ... I got INTO radio in 1953. You keep flipping the channel, OM. You wrote "AMATEUR" RADIO above. No, I wrote just "radio." Now you've switched to the generic "radio". "Generic?" :-) You mean to say that the ARRL and Hiram Percy Maxim did NOT INVENT all radio? :-) You've never gotten into "AMATEUR radio". Tsk. Sorry Old Man (from the "CW" abbreviation of "OM" approved by all extra super-special morsemen), but I've designed and built radios of my own as a HOBBYIST. That HOBBY activity included buying and converting two surplus ARC-5 HF stations back in 1947, then selling-trading those to others. Good introduction to radio technology as a teenager. OH! You must mean FEDERALLY LICENSED "amateur" radio! I keep forgetting that you keep forgetting adjectives whenever you write that. My bad. Alternatively, you've told us that you don't have any desire to obtain an amateur radio license True. I was granted a Commercial First 'Phone in 1956. That's a license for a professional. I lost interest in being an amateur after being a professional. It looks as if you have your wish. "Wish?!?" No "wish," senior, er senor. Turned out to be both intellectually stimulating, interesting (not to mention financially rewarding - without subsidy from the US taxpayer) to be a professional in radio-electronics. You needn't worry about amateur radio. No "worries," senor Gordo, er HEIL. My advocacy is just a bit of campaigning to both modernize US amateur radio regulations and to enable more US citizens to enter and enjoy that HOBBY. [it IS a hobby despite no specific use of that word by the FCC in Title 47 C.F.R.] [neither does the FCC use the word "ham" in Title 47] I am not in the least "worried." YOU seem to be worried since you spend so much time in here trying to denigrate and defame all no-code-test advocates. YOU have the "superior" license, why don't you USE that instead of making all the smug, arrogant stuff against others in here? Feel free to appoint yourself advocate for something-or-other in professional radio. I do that also. I AM a Life Member of the IEEE (Institute for Electrical and Electronic Engineers, a professional association with 397 thousand members worldwide). I stay aware and informed of the much larger electronics industry activity that is happening now. I've had a decades-long interest in RADIO and ELECTRONICS. That isn't what you wrote. You used the words "amateur radio". "Amateur radio" is a small subset of the larger ("generic?") activity of ELECTRONICS. "Amateur radio" is not restricted to just being federally licensed as a US radio amateur (complete with a pretty certificate suitable for framing) or the transmission of EM energy on allocated amateur bands. "Amateur" means "without pecuniary interest." Non-professional. The definition is semantically equivalent to a HOBBY, an avocation. You've limited yourself by not including "amateurism". You're a victim of inertia. "Inertia?!?" We are ALL subject to Isaac Newton's laws. [like it or not...:-)] Are you having another out-of-body experience? Tsk, tsk. "Out of body experiences" do not follow Newton's laws. Your "truisms" don't seem to be true, Leonardo. What's "Anti-Pesto", another thing you're against? Had you seen a full-length animated film called "The Curse of the Were-Rabbit" in 2005 you would understand. I didn't choose to see it. It sounds awful. Tsk, MILLIONS have seen and enjoyed it. Lots of subtle humor in it. However, I can understand how elitist super-special morsemen with smug, arrogant attitudes would not take to enjoying much except putting down the no-code-test advocates. Some of those elitists prefer "Monty Python's Flying Circus." :-) You don't give orders here, Len. You mean this ISN'T the Domino's Pizza newsgroup? :-( Okay, I'll use the telephone to order one. It's much too warm for the hot buttered rum. I'm still enjoying mint juleps. We don't generally light a fire in the fireplace until sometime in October. It is rare that we laugh at anyone other than the wrinkled kid with his pants at half mast. He stands outside and periodically barks an order. Tsk, you are hallucinating again. Must be the alcohol... On the other hand, you don't see your own actions as selfish and you don't see that is possible that you are wrong. Tsk, the elitist super-special morsemen amateurs keep telling me "I'm wrong" all the time... :-) You've shown no tolerance for those whose views is opposite your own. Tsk, a typical comment from an elitist super-special extra amateur morseman: Not favoring their personal desires is defined by them as "intolerant!" :-) You've claimed in the past to only be here for civil debate. NAH...I've desired civil debate...but never got it from day one in here. :-) The elitist super-special extra morsemen amateurs were never about to accept the inevitable of elimination of the amateur radio code test! :-) Your record shows otherwise. My "record?!?" :-) I've never "cut" a record, taped anything, or produced a CD on that subject. :-) Your words are disingenuous. Wow! You've been at the dictionary again! There has been no evidence that you accept *anything* they say. Tsk. Go back to the dictionary again. "Acceptance" is not synonymous with Blind Obedience. ;-) [are you "homonym-phobic?" :-) ] I don't "play" with arrogant retrogrades intent on being the ruler in some archaic radiotelegraphy society... I know of no such organization. You should. It is known as the US 'ARS.' You ARE a member. The above statement points the way to your failure to win converts in this venue. "Win converts?!?" Is this some sort of evangelical moment for you? A religious experience? :-) My bad. I forgot this newsgroup was created for the extra super-special amateur morsemen to have their last gasp in putting down all the no-code-test advocates. Well, I suppose you think God spoke to you. Wheels have spokes. You fancy yourself a "wheel." "Wheels" think they can roll all over their opponents...but ONLY on smooth highways of their own choosing. [imagination of the extra super-special amateur morsemen is astounding] beep, beep, |
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Jimmy's Follies In Bad Analogies
From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 10:07 pm
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 3:13 pm wrote: From: 951 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:28 pm wrote: From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:42 pm wrote: From: on Mon, Sep 4 2006 5:30 pm Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am N2EY tried to magnify one of my old statements, taking it well out of context, attempting to MANUFACTURE some personal "defect" of mine. His product QC was terrible and the product FAILED. That's funny. I don't see it that way at all. You stepped on a bear trap and it clanked shut on you. Now you're busy attempting to explain how much you know about bear traps. "Bear traps?!?" Are you now trying to manufacture something else? Tsk, that "product" failed in fabrication! One does NOT need to be a licensed realtor to understand Los Angeles ares real estate matters. "Ares?" :-) So, you and the person formerly known as "N2EY" consider yourself "expert" on Los Angeles ordinances concerning residential areas and homes? No doubt you both do, deep into the fantasy of extra super- special morsemen KNOWING EVERYTHING because they once passed a telegraphy test. :-) There is all kinds of information on Los Angeles area real estate available on the web. There are additional sources of infomation including libraries and even Los Angeles real estate agents. Okay, go there and whatever newsgroup covers real estate. I'm sure you will be welcomed with open arms, being the "expert" on matters 3000 miles from where you live. :-) Others aren't required to read or respond. It has worked well and it reveals a horse's patoot with one leg clamped in a bear trap. It's not nice to describe the person formerly known as "N2EY" in that way. You should apologize to him. beep, beep, |
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