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Old September 21st 06, 05:57 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy
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Yes - they were all subsidized by the taxpayers.


Insulting bull****! Members of the Armed Forces do not receive a
"subsidy" --- they receive pay for their service.


I'm sorry if you were insulted, Hans - that was not my intent.


Tsk, you were trying to insult me, not Hans.

No real problem to me since I know your kind of "my body is
too precious to waste serving my country" #######.

shrug Takes all kinds. :-(


My point was simply that certain people and industries are paid by the
government rather than the free market. The government decides that
something needs to be done for the public good, and that user fees
can't pay for it, so taxpayer money pays for it.


Rationalization and trying to weasel out of what you insultingly
wrote.

That covers a lot more than members of the Armed Forces - there are
firemen, law enforcement officers, public education teachers and
administrators, all manner of public works people, etc. There are also
many private companies that would not exist, or would be much smaller,
if the government did not buy their products and services.


More rationalization. You were not in law enforcement or other
public safety service.

You DO play the angry Mother Superior in here, though...you must
think that counts?


For example, when Hoover Dam was built in the 1930s, the government
used taxpayer money to pay the contractors that built the dam. Private
industry could not do the job alone - the cost was too high and the
short-term return on investment too low.


The USA was not at war with Lake Mead. Neither were the waters
threatening anyone in eastern Pennsylvania.


Is it "insulting bull****" to say that that part of the country had its
development subsidized by the government when Hoover Dam was built? If
so, how should it be described?


What IS insulting bull**** is your elitist NON-SERVING crap
about members of the armed forces of the United States being
"subsidized" by taxpayers.

Now check out your "people skills" by going into the nearest
military base or VFW hall or a military recruiting station and
repeat your "insulting bull****" to the veterans there.



ex-RA16408336, Sgt., SigC, United States Army 1952-1960

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I'm sorry if you were insulted, Hans - that was not my intent.


Tsk, you were trying to insult me, not Hans.


I wasn't *trying* to insult anyone, Len.

However, you usually feel insulted whenever someone disagrees with you
here.

No real problem to me since I know your kind of "my body is
too precious to waste serving my country" #######.


Who are you quoting, Len?

I don't think that way, nor have I ever said or written that quote.

shrug Takes all kinds. :-(


There are some kinds we could do without....

My point was simply that certain people and industries are paid by the
government rather than the free market. The government decides that
something needs to be done for the public good, and that user fees
can't pay for it, so taxpayer money pays for it.


Rationalization and trying to weasel out of what you insultingly
wrote.


Why do *you* find the term "subsidy" insulting, Len?

What is not true in the following:

"My point was simply that certain people and industries are paid by the
government rather than the free market. The government decides that
something needs to be done for the public good, and that user fees
can't pay for it, so taxpayer money pays for it."

Where is the insult in that?

That covers a lot more than members of the Armed Forces - there are
firemen, law enforcement officers, public education teachers and
administrators, all manner of public works people, etc. There are also
many private companies that would not exist, or would be much smaller,
if the government did not buy their products and services.


More rationalization.


How?

Is any of that not true?

You were not in law enforcement or other
public safety service.


Are you sure?

Besides, it's not about *me*, Len.

You DO play the angry Mother Superior in here, though...you must
think that counts?


Did you go to Catholic school, Len? I think not. Yet you act like you
know what it was like. Here's a clue: You don't know what it was like.

For example, when Hoover Dam was built in the 1930s, the government
used taxpayer money to pay the contractors that built the dam. Private
industry could not do the job alone - the cost was too high and the
short-term return on investment too low.


The USA was not at war with Lake Mead.


Dozens of workers died building Hoover Dam. Even more were injured.
Death and injury benefits weren't very good. The companies did not even
provide hard hats for the workers.

Neither were the waters
threatening anyone in eastern Pennsylvania.


?? Water was the least of it.

Is it "insulting bull****" to say that that part of the country had its
development subsidized by the government when Hoover Dam was built? If
so, how should it be described?


You didn't answer the questions, Len.

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I'm sorry if you were insulted, Hans - that was not my intent.

Tsk, you were trying to insult me, not Hans.

I wasn't *trying* to insult anyone, Len.

I wonder what you would have said if you were actually "trying?"

Equating military service with welfare is about all I can take.


I'm not "taking" any of it.

Jimmie can go over to his nearest military recruitment station
and repeat his "subsidy" crack to any military person in there.

After that, the "fourth morseketeer" would be absent from RRAP.



I disagree.

I think your average service person knows that their is a large segment
of US society that looks down on them. But they are intelligent enough
to know just how wrong that segment of society is. The servicemen and
women stand guard without thought to their popularity.

In other words, Jim would be perfectly safe in any recruiter's office,
though his visit might be short. Unless he wound up in Robesin's dads
recruiter office...


I'll concede that you have the more realistic scenario of today's
recruiting office. Those military members ARE intelligent and
they are motivated. Today's military members aren't the dumb
misfits portrayed by "the liberals." However, there's also
"conservatives" who think little of the military...except as fine
words to spout come election time.

There's a parallel in amateur radio recruiting. From the ARRL
down, the higher-ups love to look down on aspirants as
dummies in radio...as if their lofty elite positions made them
"expert." These self-proclaimed gods of radio then wonder
why there isn't more participation and - especially - why
there's so little love for their self-righteous precious, noble,
best-of-all-possible-modes (in their minds), radiotelegraphy.

It's still a puzzle why an ex-USN type would be at any Army
recruiting office as a civilian...as Robesin once stated. But
that can be relegated to just-another-delusional-dream of the
Imposter.





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