From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 6:57 pm


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Not much is known about Jim, except the usual liberal disdain for the
US military and military members.

"usual liberal disdain"?

Let's see....some well known "liberals"....

[ Jimmy not a "known?" Tsk. ]


There's president Jimmy Carter, who graduated from the US Naval Academy
and served in the Navy on submarines. He also won the Nobel Peace
Prize, for being instrumental in the only long-term peace agreement in
the modern Middle East (the Camp David accords).

I recall no Middle East Peace in modern times.

Nor I. Maybe it was for one weekend or something.

The military draft ended January 1973 under Nixon's watch.
Jimmy had no worries about being drafted after that.

However, Carter pardoned most Vietnam War draft evaders in
January 1977. Way too liberal an act for my taste.

Jimmy still didn't volunteer to serve then.


Or president John F. Kennedy, who served in the Navy in WW2. He was
awarded the Navy and Marine Corps medal for his leadership on the last
patrol of PT 109.

Indeed he was.

JFK approved the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Cuba.

JFK also brought us perilously close to World War III in
the Cuban Missle crisis. The first casualty was a U-2
pilot surnamed Anderson.

Jimmy was too young to serve then.


George McGovern was in the USAAF (15th Air Force) in WW2, flying 35
missions in B-24 bombers over North Africa and Italy. He was awarded
the Distinguished Flying Cross.

A little before my time.

Well before Jimmy's time, too. However, McGovern didn't get
elected to national office.


Vice president Al Gore enlisted in the Army and served in Vietnam
during that conflict, refusing a place in the Tennessee National Guard.

Odd. Do most people get to "refuse a place" in their state's National
Guard?

I don't recall having that "opportunity." Ditto my brother.

It must be a Tennessee thing. Or Jimmy is confused between
National Guard and State Guard. Jimmy never volunteered
for any Guard.


John Kerry served in the US Navy, volunteering for Vietnam duty. He was
awarded three Purple Heart medals, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star.
After his discharge from the military, he opposed the Vietnam War,
having actually been there.

Now there's a perfect example of disdain for his fellow military
members.

It probably cost him the presidential election. Kerry once
tossed his medals. Maybe Robesin caught one? :-)


President Franklin Delano Roosevelt never served in any military,

Correct. He had polio and was unfit for military service.

though he was appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

Our military is civilian led. Sometimes led well, sometimes not.

Agreed.

He led the USA
out of the Depression and through almost all of WW2.

He had a priori knowledge of Pearl Harbor and did nothing.

Not quite. US cryptanalysts had decoded the infamous
Japanese multi-part telegram before the Japanese embassy
in DC did. It just didn't have any mention of the attack
point.

That just
might be considered disdain for the military and military members.

Neither. The US cryptanalysts were a small group of USA
and USN personnel on active duty, plus the genius of a
civilian, William Friedman, the Army's chief cryptanalyst.

Jimmy couldn't help them with a morse code book...he wasn't
born yet.

His "New Deal" was considered rather liberal in its time....

Extremely liberal. It was his handling of the Bonus Marchers, veterans
of WW 1, that needed their promised pensions that might also be
considered disdain for the military and military members.

That was a not-good situation.

The FCC was created under FDR's term. The jury might still
be out on that one. :-)

"usual liberal disdain"?

Yup.

Brian, you have to watch out for Jimmy. He wants to "set the
stage" and then only argue about His stage settings. When
someone else pops in with something different, they are "wrong"
or "incorrect." :-)

A plain and simple fact: NO USA President NOR president
wanna-be since Herbert Hoover has been granted an amateur
radio license. Why Jimmy picked only those presidents and
wanna-bes is rather strange.

Here's a plain and simple fact for Jimmy (who might not get
out much these days): There are still millions of Americans
who are anti-war, anti-military NOW. The news services just
haven't featured them much since 11 Sep 01. They are still
there, can be found. Jimmy is one of those that are more
quiet, snarling only when provoked but otherwise holding to
his precious, elite self with his strange (sometimes insulting)
opinions.

Here's some more plain and simple facts: Jimmy never
served any military in any capacity. Jimmy never served any
government in any capacity. He never took that Oath that
all us veterans took...but he thinks he "serves his country"
by having a hobby license in an amateur radio service. So
do some others who can't think for themselves but require
the League to tell them what to think.



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