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"Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message ... I was in the 6th grade when JFK was killed and the Beatles first came on the scene. It was a very interesting time to be growing up. Watched every space shot there was, just eat it up. Got my first transistor radio for my birthday just before Alan Shepard's first sub orbital flight, a little green Motorola that I still have. In the forth grade my teacher asked me to bring my radio to class the next day so we could listen to John Glen first real orbital flight... I got to sit in class all day listening with my ear phone with instructions to interrupt if anything interesting happened. I was the RADIO MAN, it ruined me. 73 all, Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com/ We had some cool heroes back then with the space program going on! I don't think too many things in my life have given me the same feeling of seeing Neil Armstrong on a old black and white tv put his foot down on the moon other than the birth of my children. There will never ever be greater test pilots and astronauts than we had in the 50s and 60s, all the rest just walk in their shadows. BH |
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Gordon Richmond wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote: Television worth watching, The Soparanos, Mythbusters, and The Simpsons/King of the Hill/South Park, to name just a handful of great shows. My point was about "television worth watching". Well, "worth watching" and "great shows" must be a matter of personal opinion... I'm not a particularly religious person and certainly not a member of the "Religious Right" (and will gladly swear like a sailor when called for), but IMHO, South Park is, for lack of a better term, quite degenerate. Talk about morality "sliding down the slippery slope", that show seems to have to slid down to just about the bottom of said slope. A large majority of the "popular" network shows are infantile. Had a TV on the bench a year or so ago, can't remember the name of the show but my wife said it was one of the top two or three. On the show, they were talking about having attended a lecture about "homo erectus". First actor: "He said homo". Tee-hee, giggle giggle, canned laughter Second actor: "Oh, he said erect". Tee-hee, giggle giggle, canned laughter Maybe that's funny--if you're in the Third Grade. Sorry, but IMHO, a large majority of network TV is truly mindless pap. You're welcome to your opinion, but if you think this is the Golden (or Platinum) Age of TV, then I've got some nice Florida land I'd like to sell to you... :-) Well, I'm not a big fan of TV in general, or South Park in particular, nor am I but I've seen enough episodes of the show to understand that it relentlessly SATIRIZES political correctness and wishy-washy Liberalism and immorality. But I also know that some people just don't "get" satire. Well, I'm not sure if that was a "shot" at me or not grin...but I get and enjoy satire as well as the next person. But it -is- interesting (and dare I say, ironic) that you feel they need to use "utter vulgarity" and "outrageous tastelessness" to satirize immorality. I still contend that is purely gratuitous and a few more steps down the slippery slope. |
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But it -is- interesting (and dare I say, ironic) that you feel they
need to use "utter vulgarity" and "outrageous tastelessness" to satirize immorality. I still contend that is purely gratuitous and a few more steps down the slippery slope. Potentially. But it's obvious (to me, anyway) that "South Park" is largely serious about what it does. I think most viewers agree, and don't see the program as _promoting_ gratuitous tastelessness or vulgarity. It's so over the top, anyway, that it would be hard to "improve" on it, even if one wanted to. In fairness to your point of view, there's an early episode -- "Pink Eye" -- involving the conversion of people to zombies after being injected with a particular condiment (I forget which). It's hilariously gross, merely for the sake of being gross. Then, of course, there was the gratuitous weekly death of Kenny, which was eventually -- uh -- killed, due to its no longer being particularly funny -- and their running out of ideas of how to off him. There was an episode in which the S word is spoken (though bleeped) several hundred times, resulting in the appearance of a highly destructive demon. After that, "South Park" no longer uses that word. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this.) I don't think the creators were being hypocritical or self-serving in suggesting that this word is not needed in everyday speech. "South Park" is one of those TV programs that makes you glad freedom of speech is protected in this country. PS: Stan Freberg was a master at offending people with G-rated material. |
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Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
Brian Hill wrote: I don't think too many things in my life have given me the same feeling of seeing Neil Armstrong on a old black and white tv put his foot down on the moon That was one of the best birthday presents I've ever gotten, July 20 1969 was my 17th birthday. I had to threaten to quit my summer job at the grocery store cause the boss wanted me to work that night. I've got a pretty good collection of Apollo 11 stuff, one of these days I'm going to take some photos of it and do a web page. Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com/ I can still remember that night watching the first moon walk on an old BW Emerson TV in my basement while shooting pool with friends. I repaired the set and put a large speaker in the cabinet(small console) and had an FM converter on top made by Regency. For me growing up in the 50's was a gift I will always cherish. |
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Nobody in Salt Lake ever locked their doors Don't tell anyone, but in our previous old country-ish house outside Redmond WA, we never locked the doors. Too far off the path for anyone to bother. Plus, we had neighbors with guns. When we left on a longer vacation, I would make a show of locking the front door, to instruct our kids that locking up is a Good Thing, but a child could have gotten into the house within a minute or two. Phil Nelson Agreed. I lived in West Los Angeles, and we never locked our doors when we were at home until about 1968 or so. We didn't bother locking the doors when we were off for just a quick trip to the market or something like that either. We DID lock up when leaving overnight. One should recall, from the old days, that if you were sitting in your house, and someone knocked on the door, it would go like this: Visitor: knock, knock Homeowner: "Who's there?" Visitor: "Joe Blow" Homeowner: "Oh, come in!" and the visitor would enter, finding the homeowner still seated or otherwise doing what they had been doing before the knock. Only if the knocker was unknown or much anticipated, or a VIP, or someone who would be dealt with at the door (postman, or salesperson for example) would the homeowner get up and answer the door in person. Neighbors, friends, regularly visiting family, etc. let themselves in. This was the norm for everyone I knew when I was a child. It all changed in the late 1960s, and if you look at crime statistics from the period, you will see why. I've said it before and I will repeat that this is one of the fundamental changes as we went from the "I Love Lucy" world to the "All in the Family" world. Oh, and for the record, I recall very vividly, watching the first man on the moon at my friend Charlie's house, on the floor in front of a Zenith console B&W television. His parents still live in the same house, with some of the same furniture (now recovered). I also remember watching Nixon being inaugurated, (1969) in class in 3rd grade. This was the first time we ever had a television in class. Best Regards, David |
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"DaveW" wrote in message news:fzhmi.252$SM6.98@trnddc01... Oh, and for the record, I recall very vividly, watching the first man on the moon at my friend Charlie's house, on the floor in front of a Zenith console B&W television. His parents still live in the same house, with some of the same furniture (now recovered). I also remember watching Nixon being inaugurated, (1969) in class in 3rd grade. This was the first time we ever had a television in class. Best Regards, David I never got to see the moon landing (at least not live). We didn't own a television for a lot of my childhood. When Kennedy was shot, it was during my lunch hour (I lived at the time in Butte, MT). I first heard the news at a newsstand between my house and the school on the way back to school. When everyone was back from lunch, they called us all to the auditorium where they had three 21" B/W TV's on the stage. The principal made an announcement, then turned on the TV's and we watched the news for the rest of the hour, then everyone was sent home. For some of the early launches (Mercury, Gemini) the older grades in my elementary school in Salt Lake were called out of class into the large hallway to watch either the launch or the splashdown/recovery, depending upon the time of day and which one was happening. |
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DaveW wrote:
I also remember watching Nixon being inaugurated, (1969) in class in 3rd grade. This was the first time we ever had a television in class. I remember watching Kennedy being sworn in during class in the third grade. That was the first time I ever saw a TV in class. It was also my last day at that elementary school. A couple of months earlier we had moved into our new house which was in a different school area. Since my dad's barber shop was near the first school my mom wanted me to keep going there so I could ride in with my dad. But is seem I was a little hell raiser and when they found out about us moving, it turned out to be an easy way to get rid of me. That was the only time I had to start at a new school in mid year. I remember seeing JFK during the election when he came to Charlotte on a campaign trip, we stood nest to the road and watched him ride by on the back of a flat bed truck. Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com/ |
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I've said it before and I will repeat that this is one of the
fundamental changes as we went from the "I Love Lucy" world to the "All in the Family" world. The "I Love Lucy" world was a fantasy world that never existed. |
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Carter-k8vt wrote:
But it -is- interesting (and dare I say, ironic) that you feel they need to use "utter vulgarity" and "outrageous tastelessness" to satirize immorality. I still contend that is purely gratuitous and a few more steps down the slippery slope. William Sommerwerck wrote: Potentially. But it's obvious (to me, anyway) that "South Park" is largely serious about what it does. Well, I'm not sure what their "it" is...although pushing us a bit further down the slippery slope comes to mind. I think most viewers agree, and don't see the program as _promoting_ gratuitous tastelessness or vulgarity. I don't see how you can separate the "promoting" from whatever else they are attempting to do. PS: Stan Freberg was a master at offending people with G-rated material. Which proves that it CAN be done without resorting to trash talk. Back when men were men and it was the REAL Golden Age. ;-) Again, it looks like we can agree to disagree... |
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"Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message ... DaveW wrote: I also remember watching Nixon being inaugurated, (1969) in class in 3rd grade. This was the first time we ever had a television in class. Ron wrote: I remember watching Kennedy being sworn in during class in the third grade. That was the first time I ever saw a TV in class. It was also my last day at that elementary school. In 1953 , I was in the 6th grade at 3rd ward school in Tipton Indiana They brough in a a TV to watch Eisenhower ,first time a lot of us ever seen a TV. http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4293442543 Garry WW9GT |
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:26:52 -0700, "Phil Nelson"
wrote: Nobody in Salt Lake ever locked their doors Don't tell anyone, but in our previous old country-ish house outside Redmond WA, we never locked the doors. Too far off the path for anyone to bother. Plus, we had neighbors with guns. When we left on a longer vacation, I would make a show of locking the front door, to instruct our kids that locking up is a Good Thing, but a child could have gotten into the house within a minute or two. Phil Nelson I grew up in Jersen City, NJ. In recent years this has been a very high crime area. Growing up, we never locked the doors, except when we were out of town. In the period up to about 1956, I cannot recall anyone that I knew having been a victim of burglary, mugging or any other crime, other than a minor con job. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net |
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Most of the shows I referred to were not network shows.
Do you find it somewhat ironic that the only broadcast network shows you mentioned are Fox Network shows? I was aware of that when I posted. Technically, Fox is a network, but not one of The Big Three. Fox has a bad reputation for putting on innovative programming (The Tick, Brisco County), then abandoning it. |
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"Brian McAllister" wrote in message ... On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:47:04 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Most of the shows I referred to were not network shows. Do you find it somewhat ironic that the only broadcast network shows that you mentioned are Fox Network shows? No, that's where the balance is in "Fair and Balanced". Lord knows all Blue Staters who don't love war are pantywaists if you watch the news coverage. Besides, "South Park" is an unabashedly right of center show. In the second "South Park" movie they kill off Tim Robbins and Alex Baldwin gleefully after making fools of them. When the people of South Park decide to all drive hybrids they create a cloud of toxic "smug" (sic) gas and end up smashing them all. John H. |
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Do you find it somewhat ironic that the only broadcast network
shows that you mentioned are Fox Network shows? No, that's where the balance is in "Fair and Balanced". Lord knows all Blue Staters who don't love war are pantywaists if you watch the news coverage. Besides, "South Park" is an unabashedly right of center show. In the second "South Park" movie they kill off Tim Robbins and Alex Baldwin gleefully after making fools of them. There is no second South Park movie. You're thinking of Team America, an attack on America's smug sense of self-righteousness and exclusionary philosophy, a decidedly left-of-center view. Their attempt to balance this by making the Hollywood left look foolish (in the context of tearing down our favorite Korean leader) is highly strained, to say the least. I'm not sure South Park is as "right of center" as you think. It seems to be more interested in attacking what the creators see as "stupidity" or self-serving behavior, rather than left-of-center views, per se. It's also worth noting that South Park is also unabashedly pro-gay. When the people of South Park decide to all drive hybrids they create a cloud of toxic "smug" (sic) gas and end up smashing them all. A recent survey revealed that most hybrid owners bought the cars because they're trendy. South Park guessed correctly. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
I've said it before and I will repeat that this is one of the fundamental changes as we went from the "I Love Lucy" world to the "All in the Family" world. The "I Love Lucy" world was a fantasy world that never existed. Well, literally, no. Even when I was a wee tot, I didn't know anyone's Dad who wore a jacket or tie at home. But, people dressed up to go out of the house, girls were required to wear dresses in school (no pants), boys hair was to be above the collar, etc. Service station attendents wore bow tie and were courteous, rather than disinterested or surly. Even if they had existed, nobody would play a boom box loudly on a public bus. People may have disagreed with their government, but they had a certain fundamental trust in it none the less. The same goes with network news broadcasts. Yes, there were rough neighborhoods, drugs, adultery, prostitution, the Mafia, theft, corruption, etc. But there was still a social norm that didn't allow skanky rich sluts to be the focus of national news, for example. Children were, in general, much, much better behaved, and their parents made it so. To paraphrase Garrison Keillor, if a you were a child, and a strange woman on the street told you to blow your nose, you blew! That's what I'm talking about. Regards, Dave |
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Well, literally, no. Even when I was a wee tot, I didn't know anyone's Dad who wore a jacket or tie at home. But, people dressed up to go out of the house, girls were required to wear dresses in school (no pants), boys hair was to be above the collar, etc. Service station attendents wore bow tie and were courteous, rather than disinterested or surly. The owner of a local station still pumps the gas for you, but he doesn't wear a bow tie or jacket in the 100 degree Florida sun. He still uses a pile of receipt books for his business customers to fill up their work trucks, and pay weekly, or monthly. He's told me several times that he would do the same for me, as long as I paid promptly on the first of the month. ALL stations here are supposed to pump gas for the handicapped drivers, but you might have to wait quite a while, till they can get away from the counter for a few minutes. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... DaveW wrote: Well, literally, no. Even when I was a wee tot, I didn't know anyone's Dad who wore a jacket or tie at home. But, people dressed up to go out of the house, girls were required to wear dresses in school (no pants), boys hair was to be above the collar, etc. Service station attendents wore bow tie and were courteous, rather than disinterested or surly. The owner of a local station still pumps the gas for you, but he doesn't wear a bow tie or jacket in the 100 degree Florida sun. He still uses a pile of receipt books for his business customers to fill up their work trucks, and pay weekly, or monthly. He's told me several times that he would do the same for me, as long as I paid promptly on the first of the month. ALL stations here are supposed to pump gas for the handicapped drivers, but you might have to wait quite a while, till they can get away from the counter for a few minutes. In Oregon, they still pump the gas for everyone. It's the law. But about the only stations you get any other service from are Chevron stations, and you pay about 30 cents a gallon more for gas to get that service. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... DaveW wrote: Well, literally, no. Even when I was a wee tot, I didn't know anyone's Dad who wore a jacket or tie at home. But, people dressed up to go out of the house, girls were required to wear dresses in school (no pants), boys hair was to be above the collar, etc. Service station attendents wore bow tie and were courteous, rather than disinterested or surly. The owner of a local station still pumps the gas for you, but he doesn't wear a bow tie or jacket in the 100 degree Florida sun. He still uses a pile of receipt books for his business customers to fill up their work trucks, and pay weekly, or monthly. He's told me several times that he would do the same for me, as long as I paid promptly on the first of the month. ALL stations here are supposed to pump gas for the handicapped drivers, but you might have to wait quite a while, till they can get away from the counter for a few minutes. In Oregon, they still pump the gas for everyone. It's the law. But about the only stations you get any other service from are Chevron stations, and you pay about 30 cents a gallon more for gas to get that service. .... they don't have split prices here anymore ... I use Chevron exclusively and they haven't washed my windshield in years .... |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:39:48 -0400, "Hagstar"
wrote: "Brian McAllister" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:47:04 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Most of the shows I referred to were not network shows. Do you find it somewhat ironic that the only broadcast network shows that you mentioned are Fox Network shows? No, that's where the balance is in "Fair and Balanced". Lord knows all Blue Staters who don't love war are pantywaists if you watch the news coverage. Besides, "South Park" is an unabashedly right of center show. In the second "South Park" movie they kill off Tim Robbins and Alex Baldwin gleefully after making fools of them. When the people of South Park decide to all drive hybrids they create a cloud of toxic "smug" (sic) gas and end up smashing them all. John H. What has "South Park" to do with broadcast networks shows in general, or with Fox Network in particular? Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:38:40 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: In Oregon, they still pump the gas for everyone. It's the law. The same in New Jersey, the last time I was there. I was severely chastised for getting out of my car and touching the hose on the gas pump. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net |
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What has "South Park" to do with broadcast-network
shows in general, or with Fox Network in particular? I think, like readers of "The Phantom", you came in late. |
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"Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message ... Brian Hill wrote: I don't think too many things in my life have given me the same feeling of seeing Neil Armstrong on a old black and white tv put his foot down on the moon That was one of the best birthday presents I've ever gotten, July 20 1969 was my 17th birthday. I had to threaten to quit my summer job at the grocery store cause the boss wanted me to work that night. I've got a pretty good collection of Apollo 11 stuff, one of these days I'm going to take some photos of it and do a web page. Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com/ Yea you should Ron. That's good stuff! I had a bomber jacket my uncle gave me. It was one of those green kid ones and it had Apollo mission patches. What did I do with that? -- Regards B.H. Hill Amplification http://webpages.charter.net/brianhil...lification.htm |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
... Not much good about these days either, John. Today we have daily scandals in DC, duct tape and garbage bags, terror threats real and imagined, kids killing kids for their shoes, people killing people for sport or as a form of suicide, the Axis of Evil, Katrina victims, widespread firestorms, Iraq and Afghanistan body counts and a choice of presidential candidates that is really no choice at all. Well, sure, but other than that, things are pretty good, right? I mean, we -are- enjoying the longest period of strong prosperity this world has seen in a l-o-n-g time. With the exception of energy, material goods are cheaper in relative terms than they have ever been! So quitcherbitchin! :) |
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