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Is anyone still waiting for a scan of a schematic or manual that I haven't posted? I have been unable to see out of my right eye since Friday afternoon. of course that was my good eye. If there is anyone still waiting for something, please let me know now. The VA still wasn't set an appointment with the ophthalmologist, but my primary care physician is very worried about this. If this is permanent, I won't be able to spend much time online. I can barely see with my left eye, and typing is almost impossible. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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Go to urgent care now, and have your eye checked! Omer "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message m... Is anyone still waiting for a scan of a schematic or manual that I haven't posted? I have been unable to see out of my right eye since Friday afternoon. of course that was my good eye. If there is anyone still waiting for something, please let me know now. The VA still wasn't set an appointment with the ophthalmologist, but my primary care physician is very worried about this. If this is permanent, I won't be able to spend much time online. I can barely see with my left eye, and typing is almost impossible. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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"Omer S" wrote in message m... Dude, Go to urgent care now, and have your eye checked! Omer I'm with Omer... don't delay on something this important. I hope that it's nothing permanent, and that you are better soon. |
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Omer S wrote: Dude, Go to urgent care now, and have your eye checked! It's an hour away, and I am trying to find a ride. I can't see well enough to make it there in one piece. There is a pretty good storm right now, and my left eye doesn't recover very fast after a lightning flash. I don't want to be driving on a slick Interstate highway and completely blind at 70 MPH. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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Brenda Ann wrote: "Omer S" wrote in message m... Dude, Go to urgent care now, and have your eye checked! Omer I'm with Omer... don't delay on something this important. I hope that it's nothing permanent, and that you are better soon. Thank you. I will try again in the morning for a no show seat on the VA hospital shuttle. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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Jim Menning wrote:
Lots of people around here have no insurance or money, and still get taken care of at the local hospital or clinic. Why are you even messing with the VA? Because if the local hospital or clinic finds out you are eligible to get care "else where" that's where they "send" you. Just ask any of the thousands of VETs who were promised many benefits that are impossible to get - or so difficult most give up trying. I'm fortunate enough to have private insurance - because we have to travel over a hundred miles *each way* to the closest VET facility - and the waiting list for even a simple appointment runs roughly six months. I know a man that was on a list for a serious problem - they finally called to tell him his appointment date - 18 MONTHS after he died - and the appointment date? - just short of three months. Sometimes the cost of serving one's country comes later than one anticipates... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com |
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Jim Menning wrote:
For emergency care? Only life threatening emergency care - otherwise if you are "stable" and not life threatening - out you go (unless, of course you can afford to pay their "cash" price *up front*). Sherry and I are both covered by blue Cross - both recently had surgery - two different hospitals. They "estimated" what they thought would be the amount *after insurance* (co-pays, deductibles, etc.) and required that BEFORE we were admitted the day of surgery. And yes - by the time I got into surgery - I was in a life threatening condition... just my .02 -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:24:20 -0500, Randy or Sherry Guttery
wrote: Jim Menning wrote: For emergency care? Only life threatening emergency care - otherwise if you are "stable" and not life threatening - out you go (unless, of course you can afford to pay their "cash" price *up front*). Sherry and I are both covered by blue Cross - both recently had surgery - two different hospitals. They "estimated" what they thought would be the amount *after insurance* (co-pays, deductibles, etc.) and required that BEFORE we were admitted the day of surgery. And yes - by the time I got into surgery - I was in a life threatening condition... just my .02 If you want my take on this, it is life-threating in Michael's case. If he is suffering from a brain injury (very likely) such as a stroke, other other similar problem the end result would be unplesant to say the least. Anytime one looses sight in one eye, a call to 911 is the immediate thing to do. There are drugs that can minimize the injury to the brain. |
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Tell the *******s at the local hospital that you think you are have a stroke! I might get you in to urgent care. Omer "PeterD" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:24:20 -0500, Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: Jim Menning wrote: For emergency care? Only life threatening emergency care - otherwise if you are "stable" and not life threatening - out you go (unless, of course you can afford to pay their "cash" price *up front*). Sherry and I are both covered by blue Cross - both recently had surgery - two different hospitals. They "estimated" what they thought would be the amount *after insurance* (co-pays, deductibles, etc.) and required that BEFORE we were admitted the day of surgery. And yes - by the time I got into surgery - I was in a life threatening condition... just my .02 If you want my take on this, it is life-threating in Michael's case. If he is suffering from a brain injury (very likely) such as a stroke, other other similar problem the end result would be unplesant to say the least. Anytime one looses sight in one eye, a call to 911 is the immediate thing to do. There are drugs that can minimize the injury to the brain. |
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Jim Menning wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message m... Brenda Ann wrote: "Omer S" wrote in message m... Dude, Go to urgent care now, and have your eye checked! Omer I'm with Omer... don't delay on something this important. I hope that it's nothing permanent, and that you are better soon. Thank you. I will try again in the morning for a no show seat on the VA hospital shuttle. Lots of people around here have no insurance or money, and still get taken care of at the local hospital or clinic. I'm not an illegal alien, woman or child, so they just tell me "We can't help you. Go way, right now!" Even minimal VA coverage is considered 'insured', but by a non member, so the only way to be admitted is for a heart attack or major accident. As soon as you are stable enough, you will be transferred to the closest VA facility, whether they can provide the proper care, or not. Not all hospitals take care of all types of problems. Some go to Tampa, some to Gainesville or LAke City, and others have to be transported out of state. You may even be shuttled from one VA hospital to another, till they find a bed for you. Why are you even messing with the VA? What other choice do I have? If I could afford to use anyone else, I would already be. No one gives a **** about Veterans needs, but they love to tell lots of lies about what they'll do if we're stupid enough to elect them. Even the nurse at the VA clinic tried to dismiss the problem by telling me, "Just go to Walgreen's and buy some eye drops." You all need to remember this with the promise of 'National Health Care'. They can't even get it right for a couple percent of the US population so you can well imagination just how FUBAR it will be when applied to everyone. For instance: I have used a Blood Glucose meter for over four years. I am on my third different VA supplied meter so far, and I got my first "Sharps container' delivered by UPS today. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: What other choice do I have? If I could afford to use anyone else, I would already be. No one gives a **** about Veterans needs, but they love to tell lots of lies about what they'll do if we're stupid enough to elect them. Even the nurse at the VA clinic tried to dismiss the problem by telling me, "Just go to Walgreen's and buy some eye drops." You all need to remember this with the promise of 'National Health Care'. They can't even get it right for a couple percent of the US population so you can well imagination just how FUBAR it will be when applied to everyone. So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? The congress is already chomping at the bit to change Medicare part D to the VA model and Formulary next year, once Bush is out of office and no longer presents a veto threat. Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. He's has cancer from Agent Orange and our govs first and only offer of restitution was a big check for $650. I hate those mother ****in pigs! Sorry guys about the language but when people like Michael and my Uncle suffer after signing their lives away to defend us and can't get the help they deserve, it really makes me fighting mad. We should all put an end to this madness. It's gotten way out of hand. -- Regards B.H. Hill Amplification http://hillamplification.com Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm |
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"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. He's has cancer from Agent Orange and our govs first and only offer of restitution was a big check for $650. I hate those mother ****in pigs! Sorry guys about the language but when people like Michael and my Uncle suffer after signing their lives away to defend us and can't get the help they deserve, it really makes me fighting mad. We should all put an end to this madness. It's gotten way out of hand. And then McCain decides that he doesn't like the new GI bill because he's so afraid that if it passed, and they were actually GIVEN anything for their service, that they might leave after just three years. That's the lamest reasoning I've ever heard in my life. The folks that are going to leave the service after three years already have that idea going in, GI benefits or not. The ones that plan to make it a career do so, benefits or not. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. He's has cancer from Agent Orange and our govs first and only offer of restitution was a big check for $650. I hate those mother ****in pigs! Sorry guys about the language but when people like Michael and my Uncle suffer after signing their lives away to defend us and can't get the help they deserve, it really makes me fighting mad. We should all put an end to this madness. It's gotten way out of hand. And then McCain decides that he doesn't like the new GI bill because he's so afraid that if it passed, and they were actually GIVEN anything for their service, that they might leave after just three years. That's the lamest reasoning I've ever heard in my life. The folks that are going to leave the service after three years already have that idea going in, GI benefits or not. The ones that plan to make it a career do so, benefits or not. Well the cats out of the bag now in regurds to how soldiers are treated so I'd bet it'll be quite a bit harder in the future to enlist any decent recruits. McCains a sellout that forgot where the **** he comes from. Does money caviar and fame do that to some people? Answer-Yes! BH |
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In article , "Brian Hill" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. I was never very good in history, but having lived through the period in question I have to conclude that you have fabricated this story about your uncle out of whole cloth. Unless my memory fails me, which is possible, there was a considerable interval of years between the time combat ceased in Korea, and the time combat started in "Nam", how do you get "two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam" out of that? Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Brian Hill wrote:
Well the cats out of the bag now in regurds to how soldiers are treated so I'd bet it'll be quite a bit harder in the future to enlist any decent recruits. I thought "decent recruits" were fading fast -- the military is now accepting way lower test scores and those with criminal records. How can they go any lower when they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel? |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Brian Hill" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. I was never very good in history, but having lived through the period in question I have to conclude that you have fabricated this story about your uncle out of whole cloth. Unless my memory fails me, which is possible, there was a considerable interval of years between the time combat ceased in Korea, and the time combat started in "Nam", how do you get "two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam" out of that? Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ Yes there was a big interval between those two wars but he was stationed there after the war during the 60s. He even helped in setting up some orphanages there after the war as well as other things. My point was he served our military from Korea to Vietnam. I didn't mean he was continually in combat. BH |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Brian Hill" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? Yes it is where we are all headed and our Vets have taken it in the shorts for ever. Have you ever been to VA hospital? Under funded ********s is what they are. The way our Vets are treated is despicable. My uncle did two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam. I was never very good in history, but having lived through the period in question I have to conclude that you have fabricated this story about your uncle out of whole cloth. Unless my memory fails me, which is possible, there was a considerable interval of years between the time combat ceased in Korea, and the time combat started in "Nam", how do you get "two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam" out of that? Regards, John Byrns I am sure 'back to back' was used figuratively. My uncle served in combat in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. Not 'back to back' but close enough. |
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"TerryJ" wrote in message I was never very good in history, but having lived through the period in question I have to conclude that you have fabricated this story about your uncle out of whole cloth. Unless my memory fails me, which is possible, there was a considerable interval of years between the time combat ceased in Korea, and the time combat started in "Nam", how do you get "two combat tours of duty back to back, first in Korea and then in Nam" out of that? Regards, John Byrns I am sure 'back to back' was used figuratively. My uncle served in combat in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. Not 'back to back' but close enough. Yep thats all I meant. And lets not forget, soldiers don't just fight, they end up doing all kinds of things before, durring and after wars. BH |
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"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... Yep thats all I meant. And lets not forget, soldiers don't just fight, they end up doing all kinds of things before, durring and after wars. BH We still take occasional casualties here. There's a camp on the DMZ named after an officer that was killed up there by an ax-weilding N. Korean. |
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So, this is where we are all headed with the coming
national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get this stuff from, Rush Limbaugh? |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message . .. So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get this stuff from, Rush Limbaugh? Most insured already are dealing with rationed health care, run by HMO's where any care is determined by THEIR bottom line. |
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Carter wrote:
I thought "decent recruits" were fading fast -- the military is now accepting way lower test scores and those with criminal records. How can they go any lower when they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel? Don't be so quick to judge. Are you familiar with the ASVAB tests? This isn't the quick hosedown for recruitment that was prevalent during Vietnam. Maybe they are lowering standards on the testing scores but "scraping the bottom of the barrel" is a stretch. I can say that because I have a 21-y/o here at home who wants to join but quite frankly wasn't the best student in our mediocre educational system and the ASVAB is quite the challenge for him. He's studying the test like we studied SATs to get into college. If we don't fix the basic educational system, fat chance we have of getting decent recruits. Its not cannon-fodder they are looking for like it used to be as recently as VietNam. It takes some digging to find sample ASVAB tests online. I found one and ran thru it myself and scored very well. I can't imagine my kid being able to even make a credible score unless he is a lot more savvy than the local school board has revealed. I wish they would bring up the national educational standard to this level rather than vice-versa. I didn't see a single question about how to place condoms on a banana or how faggots are normal people which seems to be a big deal for public schools. As for vets and VA facilities....I'm not a vet but many of my cronies are. They have the normal complaints about efficiency and service but there are few horror stories coming out of San Juan. For clients here in Vieques (an offshore island) they even pay RT airfare for attending the appointments and often pay the airfare for the person accompanying the patient if it is justified. Just as a civilian observation, I think a lot of the 'care' issues are related to health maintenance. My cronies here are over at the VA once every few weeks dealing with some matter or other...that stuff becomes a way of life from your fifties onward, veteran or not. Its all scheduled, no refusals, no waiting 6 weeks. Guy in charge of 'your' case is accessible by cellfone 24 hrs a day. Maybe, for once, facilities in Puerto Rico are better than the mainland? We have a National Health Card scheme that makes many people wish they were veterans entitled to the VA services ! I know Michael has a threatening medical emergency about once every few months and he is the same age as me but not as lucky in health. I think a regular regimen of sitting in the VA Hospital lobby to do health maintenance might work out better in the long run for Mike. Good luck to ya, Michael A. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message . .. So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get this stuff from, Rush Limbaugh? Most insured already are dealing with rationed health care, run by HMO's where any care is determined by THEIR bottom line. Its a US mainland thing. Here in PR we have free national care and private care is relatively inexpensive as a consequence. See photo of my 3S/Blue Cross card. $130/month, copays are shown and there are no additional (ie: zero) deductibles. There's some glitches in the system but it works. Its a Hot issue for me right now since my wife is in the hospital for a few days for an elective operation under our local health care plan, not my private plan. Maybe $16 out of pocket so far. "Care" is a bit less than what the mainland is accustomed to...bring your own pyjamas and pillow type of stuff. We in PR have a terrible local economy yet our tax base still makes universal care practical. No reason in the world for the US Mainland not being able to do the same thing. If you think the 'public' hospital in Fajardo, PR is one of those places dripping with shotup drug dealers bleeding all over the place and chickens running in/out of the operating rooms ya better think again. As bitchy as I am I have no complaints. National medical care can work. Doesn't need to be rationed or substandard. But it involves re-inventing the wheel. I made some comments about the VA in another post...I think raising the bar for *public* care has some advantage. Seems to be the case here in Puerto Rico. -ex |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get this stuff from, Rush Limbaugh? I take it you don't own a Television set, we have just been through a long primary election season with much talk of a national health care system. The "rationed health care" part was my own addition as I don't see how they can make it work without some form or rationing. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, what is he saying about this issue? Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get this stuff from, Rush Limbaugh? I take it you don't own a Television set, we have just been through a long primary election season with much talk of a national health care system. The "rationed health care" part was my own addition as I don't see how they can make it work without some form or rationing. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, what is he saying about this issue? Having listened to the news each and every day for years, I have not heard of a 'national healthcare system'. There has been talk of universal insurance coverage. This is not the same thing. For the record, though. I do not believe that universal insurance coverage is the way to go. I'm not sure what IS the way to go, and don't pretend that I do... but forcing health insurance and it's payments on everyone is wrong. There are millions of people that do not make enough money to pay for insurance, mandated or not. I've disliked Hillary Clinton since her husband's first term, when she was trying to force everyone to buy health insurance. At the time, it would have cost me about $3000 a year in premiums, while I only made $9000 a year, with $4200 a year for rent plus more for food, gasoline, utilities, etc.. I didn't have enough for savings as it was, let alone a spare $3G to give to some HMO for coverage I didn't need. To date (I am 53 years old), I have spent less than $9,000 on health care in my entire life. |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message
... In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get thisstuff from, Rush Limbaugh? I take it you don't own a Television set, we have just been through a long primary election season with much talk of a national health care system. I haven't heard anything of a "national health care system". I _have_ heard discussions of how to finance universal health care, which is not at all the same thing. None of the principal candidates have advocated any such thing. Though some right-wing commentators have talked about universal health care (however it's implemented) as being equivalent to "socialized medicine", an attempt to confuse the issue. Great Britain has a national health care system, run by the government, with attendant long waits, etc. |
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Having listened to the news each and every day for years, I have
not heard of a 'national healthcare system'. There has been talk of universal insurance coverage. This is not the same thing. Thank you for understanding. For the record, though. I do not believe that universal insurance coverage is the way to go. I'm not sure what IS the way to go, and don't pretend that I do... but forcing health insurance and it's payments on everyone is wrong. There are millions of people that do not make enough money to pay for insurance, mandated or not. I've disliked Hillary Clinton since her husband's first term, when she was trying to force everyone to buy health insurance. At the time, it would have cost me about $3000 a year in premiums, while I only made $9000 a year, with $4200 a year for rent plus more for food, gasoline, utilities, etc.. I didn't have enough for savings as it was, let alone a spare $3G to give to some HMO for coverage I didn't need. To date (I am 53 years old), I have spent less than $9,000 on health care in my entire life. You're fortunate. Had I not had insurance from my employer in 2006, I would have died. (I have a rough idea of what Michael Terrel is going through.) The total cost of my surgery, hospital fees, etc, was in the range of $40,000. I paid abut $4500 in deductibles. I see no ideal system to get health care to everyone. The system I would like to see would have everyone -- individuals. businesses, the government -- put money into big pot. Doctors, pharmacies, and other providers would then simply bill the government. I call this an "everyone pays, single pay-outer" system. It has obvious problems -- but every system does. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: So, this is where we are all headed with the coming national health care system, rationed health care? What "national health care" system? Where do you get thisstuff from, Rush Limbaugh? I take it you don't own a Television set, we have just been through a long primary election season with much talk of a national health care system. I haven't heard anything of a "national health care system". I _have_ heard discussions of how to finance universal health care, which is not at all the same thing. None of the principal candidates have advocated any such thing. Sorry, I tend to think of "universal health care", "national health care", and "socialized medicine", as synonyms. "Universal health care" is presumably something of a different animal as you point out, but I suspect that what it really is, is part of an animal, the camel's nose under the tent if you will, which must inevitably lead to national health care/socialized medicine at some point in the future to remain viable. Though some right-wing commentators have talked about universal health care (however it's implemented) as being equivalent to "socialized medicine", an attempt to confuse the issue. On the other hand some left-wing commentators speak of national health care/socialized medicine as the place we must go for fairness. Many members of the general public, both left and right, seem to also fail to properly distinguish between the different health care systems. While you may very well be correct that none of the principal candidates have advocated national health care/socialized medicine this may be because Hillary learned her lesson last time around, and didn't want to make the same mistake again. IIRC back in 93/94 Hillary was seriously advocating national health care/socialized medicine, although for all I know that may not have been reflected in her final proposal, which I didn't pay any attention to as it was obvious by then that it was going to be dead on arrival in any case. As far as the other principal candidate, Barack, goes, I don't have a clue what he is proposing other than the fact that Hillary says that it isn't "universal". Beyond that he has been very vague, can you explain his health care proposal to me, or point me to a web site where I can find some actual details? Great Britain has a national health care system, run by the government, with attendant long waits, etc. There you go, sounds like rationing to me. I get the impression that people are expecting a heath care system free of rationing, that everyone will be able to get all the health care they might want, and I just don't see how that could be done. Some form of rationing appears to be necessary for any system to work, including our current system, it's simply an issue of how the rationing is going to be accomplished. Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Carter wrote: I thought "decent recruits" were fading fast -- the military is now accepting way lower test scores and those with criminal records. How can they go any lower when they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel? exray wrote: Don't be so quick to judge. Are you familiar with the ASVAB tests? This isn't the quick hosedown for recruitment that was prevalent during Vietnam. Maybe they are lowering standards on the testing scores but "scraping the bottom of the barrel" is a stretch. I can say that because I have a 21-y/o here at home who wants to join but quite frankly wasn't the best student in our mediocre educational system and the ASVAB is quite the challenge for him. He's studying the test like we studied SATs to get into college. If we don't fix the basic educational system, fat chance we have of getting decent recruits. Its not cannon-fodder they are looking for like it used to be as recently as VietNam. First, no disrespect to your son. I am 110% positive many great kids are joining. However, -broadly speaking-, the standards HAVE been lowered. Also, you overlooked (ignored?) my comment about the crime issue. They ARE now accepting people with NASTY criminal records. So, yes, at least philosophically speaking (and with individual exceptions), I believe they -are- scraping the bottom of the barrel. Finally, and as a whole different issue, you and I are in complete agreement: The educational system in this country is absolutely horrible, a disgrace, one that may even lead to the downfall of this country. Just as a civilian observation, [snip]... Maybe, for once, facilities in Puerto Rico are better than the mainland? That could well be. However, and again -generally- speaking, Michael's circumstances seem to be more the norm. First we promise our kids the best treatment and care as inducement to get them to join up. Unfortunately, the -general- reality is that the promises our kids received are not met and our broken promises to them is a national disgrace. Good luck to ya, Michael A. I'll second that! |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... There you go, sounds like rationing to me. I get the impression that people are expecting a heath care system free of rationing, that everyone will be able to get all the health care they might want, and I just don't see how that could be done. Some form of rationing appears to be necessary for any system to work, including our current system, it's simply an issue of how the rationing is going to be accomplished. Again, all but the rich are already receiving, at best, rationed health care, since that is all we can get out of the insurance companies who let a pencil pusher second guess the doctor as to what sort of treatment you "need". |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... There you go, sounds like rationing to me. I get the impression that people are expecting a heath care system free of rationing, that everyone will be able to get all the health care they might want, and I just don't see how that could be done. Some form of rationing appears to be necessary for any system to work, including our current system, it's simply an issue of how the rationing is going to be accomplished. Again, all but the rich are already receiving, at best, rationed health care, since that is all we can get out of the insurance companies who let a pencil pusher second guess the doctor as to what sort of treatment you "need". Many years ago, when I 'had' health insurance, I made an appointment to get a mole removed. Where I live there are many hospitals. At the largest one, where I made the appointment, the earliest slot was three months down the line. I missed that appointment and had to make another one...another three months. I got the mole removed, made my copay (along with my premium)...and the mole came back. It's still there..... jak |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... There you go, sounds like rationing to me. I get the impression that people are expecting a heath care system free of rationing, that everyone will be able to get all the health care they might want, and I just don't see how that could be done. Some form of rationing appears to be necessary for any system to work, including our current system, it's simply an issue of how the rationing is going to be accomplished. Again, all but the rich are already receiving, at best, rationed health care, since that is all we can get out of the insurance companies who let a pencil pusher second guess the doctor as to what sort of treatment you "need". So then the relevant question becomes, are there enough "rich", with enough money, to finance health care for all the non rich among us, without rationing? Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Sorry, I tend to think of "universal health care", "national health
care", and "socialized medicine", as synonyms. "Universal health care" is presumably something of a different animal as you point out, but I suspect that what it really is, is part of an animal, the camel's nose under the tent if you will, which must inevitably lead to national health care/socialized medicine at some point in the future to remain viable. That's an interesting point. Your assumption -- which has some validity -- is that it will be impossible to properly finance truly universal health care, thus obliging the government to take over the entire health-care system. Which, Liberal though I am, I would not like to experience. I get the impression that people are expecting a heath care system free of rationing, that everyone will be able to get all the health care they might want, and I just don't see how that could be done. One form of "rationing" is keeping people from demanding health care they don't actually need. Insurance companies and HMOs are supposed to be doing this, but too often it seems that people are denied care they truly need. |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message So then the relevant question becomes, are there enough "rich", with enough money, to finance health care for all the non rich among us, without rationing? Regards, John Byrns There it is, you just answered your own question. America has the highest level of poverty and income inequality of any rich nation. The rich and middle class provide coverage for the poor masses " which is huge in this country". Deal with poverty in this country and you'll deal with one of the major costs associatted with our health care system. The other big problem is that there is more profit in a pound of cure than an ounce of prevention. -- Regards B.H. Hill Amplification http://hillamplification.com Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... Yep thats all I meant. And lets not forget, soldiers don't just fight, they end up doing all kinds of things before, durring and after wars. BH We still take occasional casualties here. There's a camp on the DMZ named after an officer that was killed up there by an ax-weilding N. Korean. Really? That's crazy. With an ax? What a terrible way to go. BH |
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"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Byrns" wrote in message So then the relevant question becomes, are there enough "rich", with enough money, to finance health care for all the non rich among us, without rationing? Regards, John Byrns There it is, you just answered your own question. America has the highest level of poverty and income inequality of any rich nation. The rich and middle class provide coverage for the poor masses " which is huge in this country". Deal with poverty in this country and you'll deal with one of the major costs associatted with our health care system. The other big problem is that there is more profit in a pound of cure than an ounce of prevention. -- Regards B.H. Hill Amplification http://hillamplification.com Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm The biggest problem with health insurance in general, is that the poorest people, who can least afford it, are the very ones who need it the most. Because of ignorance, lifestyle choices, attitude, etc. the poorest sector of the population is the one you most see frequenting the ER departments at hospitals. There is no solution to this dilemma except to have the upper middle class and the rich help subsidize health care for the poor. We will always have the poor with us, and there is some social responsibility for the more affluent to help take care of the less fortunate. This is not redistributon of wealth, it is simply, "help your fellow man". "Deal with poverty in this country," sounds noble and good, but here in America, we have been trying to deal with poverty for many years. Johnson's war on poverty and its ilk has cost this country $500 billion over 45 years, and I have yet to see a noticeable decrease in the numeric percentage of poor people vs. non poor. Having said that, even the very wealthy sometimes do not benefit from our health care system. Tim Russert is a good example. No amount of sophisticated health care was able to help him. Sadly, I might add. He was a good guy, he'll be missed . . . Just my .02 worth (adjusted for inflation) Regards, Tom |
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"hifi-tek" wrote in message
m... snip The biggest problem with health insurance in general, is that the poorest people, who can least afford it, are the very ones who need it the most. Because of ignorance, lifestyle choices, attitude, etc. the poorest sector of the population is the one you most see frequenting the ER departments at hospitals. There is no solution to this dilemma except to have the upper middle class and the rich help subsidize health care for the poor. We will always have the poor with us, and there is some social responsibility for the more affluent to help take care of the less fortunate. This is not redistributon of wealth, it is simply, "help your fellow man". "Deal with poverty in this country," sounds noble and good, but here in America, we have been trying to deal with poverty for many years. Johnson's war on poverty and its ilk has cost this country $500 billion over 45 years, and I have yet to see a noticeable decrease in the numeric percentage of poor people vs. non poor. Having said that, even the very wealthy sometimes do not benefit from our health care system. Tim Russert is a good example. No amount of sophisticated health care was able to help him. Sadly, I might add. He was a good guy, he'll be missed . . . Just my .02 worth (adjusted for inflation) Regards, Tom Tom, Yes, it's vexing, isn't it? Canada has been trying to deal with "poverty and its ilk" for many years now, especially as it concerns health care, but as you point out, the poor are quite stupid and they continually make bad choices. This makes it very difficult to help them, since they don't always follow our "suggestions". I'm sure if you have any actual ideas as to how we could improve our stats, they would be eagerly accepted. This "help your fellow man" thing is getting tiresome, I agree. It's driven our taxes to the stratosphere! |
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Brian Hill wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message So then the relevant question becomes, are there enough "rich", with enough money, to finance health care for all the non rich among us, without rationing? Regards, John Byrns There it is, you just answered your own question. America has the highest level of poverty and income inequality of any rich nation. The rich and middle class provide coverage for the poor masses " which is huge in this country". Deal with poverty in this country and you'll deal with one of the major costs associatted with our health care system. The other big problem is that there is more profit in a pound of cure than an ounce of prevention. Add to that the fact that lack of access to quality health care is in itself a major cause of poverty. In addition, paying for a single health issue has caused many formerly solvent individuals and families to slip below the poverty level. jak |
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Buck Frobisher wrote:
I'm sure if you have any actual ideas as to how we could improve our stats, they would be eagerly accepted. Too lazy to go look up the exact income figures but "poor" in the US would be middle class in most of the world. And thats just income. The additional entitlements when given a dollar value push the 'income' figure quite high. Its not up to me to judge who is poor and who is not. My income is below the poverty line so I can't help but think that over the years the giveaway program has self-widened to encompass more people. A lot of that has to do with mismanagement of the programs and also smacks of lack of political will to tighten it up. From my perspective the biggest stumbling block to any sort of national health care program is the cost of the services themselves. A national "insurance" validates an already 'too expensive' medical system and I can't see that as workable. On the other hand I see no reason why the gubmint cannot become involved with providing direct services for the less fortunate. That may sound socialistic but at least is the humane thing to do. If they can get that obligation functional then maybe it can be expanded accordingly as needed. Thats how it works here and it seems to work well. Medical costs across the board are about 1/3 that of the US mainland and there is virtually no difference in the level or quality of the care. Our system would not work if it weren't for that. -Bill ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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