In Larry Dighera writes:

On 8 Sep 2006 06:28:09 -0700, wrote in
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I realize I'm adding a post to this thread, but...

In general, don't bother replying to the creatures who
post this sort of drivel. They're living in their own
little spheres of stupidity and either don't read
any follows-up or don't care.

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-Robert

Who said melt? Fire softens steel. It was a damn big
building, the fire wasn't everywhere.


wrote in message
ups.com...
| You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the
impact holes on
| the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do
that if the
| temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?
|

This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

In article ,
"MnMikew" wrote:

This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

Steve Jones Is Certifiable Loon, and anyone who knows him will state so,
in just those words. He isn't a Structural Enginee., He isn't an
Energetic Materials Science Chemist. He has no experience with explosives
in any way, shape or form. He is a Physics Professor with dubious
Publication History, looking to make a 'Big Splash" in the media.
When will these folks just blow away with their own Hot Air......

I thought it was strange that this guy was a physics professor. What
would a physics prof know about how the towers fell? That's the realm
of engineering. A physics prof would start the problem with "ok, assume
a zero gravity, zero atmophere environment..."

-Robert,




MnMikew wrote:
This is what happens to tinfoilers who spew this crap.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=476951

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the
collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not
endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and
accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:fUhMg.20531$SZ3.2811@dukeread04...
Who said melt? Fire softens steel. It was a damn big
building, the fire wasn't everywhere.


wrote in message
ups.com...
| You've seen the photos of the survivors standing in the
impact holes on
| the side of the tower begging for help. How could they do
that if the
| temperatures were hot enough to 'melt steel'?
|



It appears you only have to cause one floor to drop in that type of building
to bring it down. On the History Channel they have a program called
Engineering Disasters, and in one of the shows they addressed that very
issue. They had actual films of a building that fell during construction
in just the way the WTC fell. After much testing they found that rebar had
been placed 1/2 inch off from where it was supposed to be in the floor. As
the building got taller there was enough weight placed on a lower floor and
it failed. The building went straight down, just like the WTC, killing a
bunch of workers. All this because of some rebar in the wrong place.

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"Anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn
and ridicule" - Al Franken

In "John Smith" writes:

It appears you only have to cause one floor to drop in that type of building
to bring it down. On the History Channel they have a program called
Engineering Disasters, and in one of the shows they addressed that very
issue. They had actual films of a building that fell during construction
in just the way the WTC fell. After much testing they found that rebar had
been placed 1/2 inch off from where it was supposed to be in the floor. As
the building got taller there was enough weight placed on a lower floor and
it failed. The building went straight down, just like the WTC, killing a
bunch of workers. All this because of some rebar in the wrong place.

Sounds like (more or less) they're describing
the pancaking of L'Ambiance Plaza in
Bridgeport, Ct., back in (clickety click) 1987

( and even if they're not, it's a good read...)

short version: the building was a "lift slab"
structure, where the floors were built up
at ground level, then lifted by crane to
their destination height, and attached to
the columns. First would be the top floor,
then ( top -1 ), ( top -2 ), rinse, lather, repeat.

One of the upper floors came loose, fell down, and
the rest joined up.

A couple of cites:
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9204513

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/bu...PDF/b94023.pdf (pdf)

and, for good measu

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...lambiance.html

( note that the last includes some commentary which
is full of [expletive deleted], such as the claim that
"The rubble of the L'Ambiance Plaza building contained
clearly recognizable stacks of floor slabs, contrasting
with the striking absence of a single photograph showing
a piece of floor slab or even steel truss at Ground Zero...)


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"danny burstein" wrote in message ...
In "John Smith" writes:

It appears you only have to cause one floor to drop in that type of building
to bring it down. On the History Channel they have a program called
Engineering Disasters, and in one of the shows they addressed that very
issue. They had actual films of a building that fell during construction
in just the way the WTC fell. After much testing they found that rebar had
been placed 1/2 inch off from where it was supposed to be in the floor. As
the building got taller there was enough weight placed on a lower floor and
it failed. The building went straight down, just like the WTC, killing a
bunch of workers. All this because of some rebar in the wrong place.

Sounds like (more or less) they're describing
the pancaking of L'Ambiance Plaza in
Bridgeport, Ct., back in (clickety click) 1987

( and even if they're not, it's a good read...)

short version: the building was a "lift slab"
structure, where the floors were built up
at ground level, then lifted by crane to
their destination height, and attached to
the columns. First would be the top floor,
then ( top -1 ), ( top -2 ), rinse, lather, repeat.

One of the upper floors came loose, fell down, and
the rest joined up.

A couple of cites:
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9204513

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/bu...PDF/b94023.pdf (pdf)

and, for good measu

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...lambiance.html

( note that the last includes some commentary which
is full of [expletive deleted], such as the claim that
"The rubble of the L'Ambiance Plaza building contained
clearly recognizable stacks of floor slabs, contrasting
with the striking absence of a single photograph showing
a piece of floor slab or even steel truss at Ground Zero...)

Interesting links here...

http://www.ire.org/inthenews_archive/collapse.html

"danny burstein" wrote in message
...
In "John Smith"
writes:

It appears you only have to cause one floor to drop in that type of
building
to bring it down. On the History Channel they have a program called
Engineering Disasters, and in one of the shows they addressed that very
issue. They had actual films of a building that fell during construction
in just the way the WTC fell. After much testing they found that rebar
had
been placed 1/2 inch off from where it was supposed to be in the floor.
As
the building got taller there was enough weight placed on a lower floor
and
it failed. The building went straight down, just like the WTC, killing a
bunch of workers. All this because of some rebar in the wrong place.

Sounds like (more or less) they're describing
the pancaking of L'Ambiance Plaza in
Bridgeport, Ct., back in (clickety click) 1987

( and even if they're not, it's a good read...)

short version: the building was a "lift slab"
structure, where the floors were built up
at ground level, then lifted by crane to
their destination height, and attached to
the columns. First would be the top floor,
then ( top -1 ), ( top -2 ), rinse, lather, repeat.

One of the upper floors came loose, fell down, and
the rest joined up.

A couple of cites:
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9204513

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/bu...PDF/b94023.pdf (pdf)

and, for good measu

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...lambiance.html

( note that the last includes some commentary which
is full of [expletive deleted], such as the claim that
"The rubble of the L'Ambiance Plaza building contained
clearly recognizable stacks of floor slabs, contrasting
with the striking absence of a single photograph showing
a piece of floor slab or even steel truss at Ground Zero...)


Great links, thanks. I do think the building they had on the film was in
Florida, but I seem to remember them saying the name L'Ambiance Plaza when
talking about other building that had fallen. There was a guy doing a video
tape during the construction so you got to see it come down.

Although it is hard to tell from the photos shown, it sure looks like there
were pieces of floor slab in some of them.