Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.

It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.

I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.
http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h...spl120479c.pdf

QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892

There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmWLFhjjbUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A

Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!

Louis

Regarding the Palmdale code section cited below: Do you have a correct
reference? The link below results in the dreaded "404"!

Thanks!

Al

"policy-ham" wrote in message
...
Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.

It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.

I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.
http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h...spl120479c.pdf

QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892

There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmWLFhjjbUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A

Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!

Louis

On Dec 15, 10:48*pm, "Al Gillis" wrote:
Regarding the Palmdale code section cited below: *Do you have a correct
reference? *The link below results in the dreaded "404"!

Thanks!

Al

"policy-ham" wrote in message

...



Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. *The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.

It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.

I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.
http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h...spl120479c.pdf

QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892

There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmWLFhjjbUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wCWbzVP8A

Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!

Louis- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I also got the 404 error. His other link to qrz worked and I got this
working link of Palmdale's website mentioning ham antennas dated
December 2008.


This link is currently working:

http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h...spl120479c.pdf

Hams are kooks. Hope they do it. Just listen to 14.275 any weekend.
Justification 4 the same.

On Dec 16, 7:50*pm, 807breath wrote:
Hams are kooks. Hope they do it. Just listen to 14.275 any weekend.
Justification 4 the same.

okay. If I was a ham living in Palmdale, California right now, I would
do this kooky thing.

The proposed law says antennas are not allowed to be one inch over the
roof line at all.

And unless I'm mistaken, I think it says antennas on portable ht's are
exempt from the antenna laws.

So I wonder how Palmdale would like itt if I sat on top of my roof
with a portable ham HT in my hand, talking on it, in which case the
antenna on it
would be MORE than one inch above the roof line of the house.

Hey, they did say portable ham HT's are exempt from the law, unless I
misread something.

When you're not allowed any antenna towers over one inch above the
roof line, what better way to get better reception than to talk on
your HT while
sitting on top of your roof?

hmmm... another idea. I guess there is a better way. Nope. I thought
of using an extension cord to set your base/mobile rig on top of the
roof using a
mag mount antenna on a pizza pan, while talking on it, but base/mobile
rigs aren't exempt from Palmdale's laws and would count as an illegal
antenna over one inch above the roof line.

Back to the talking on a portable HT while you're sitting on top of
the roof of your house.

I wonder how Palmdale would like those aesthetics.

Of course they'll probably still try to get you for having an antenna
over one inch above the roof line.

But you can then show them their ordinance that says HT's are exempt.

However, a ham winning against them in court when they revoked his
permit for an antenna two years after they gave him one.. is what
prompted them to try to pass this latest proposed ordinance to
eliminate all ham radio they can.

At least that's what several people have said.

Talking on your HT while sitting on top of the roof of your house.

It's Hillbilly Ham Heaven.

No, my messages were not spam. If you don't like my new crimefighting
attitude, you can blame Steam and Valve.

Ever since I got ripped off by Steam and Valve, I am on a crusade to
verbally fight all crime and ccorruption that I see or experience by
verbally exposing their crime, corrruption, and illegal activities by
posting on the internet.

I'm not taking t anymore. Too many people don't stand up for the real
laws of this country anymore, which is most likely why things just
keep getting
worse and worse.

Next up on the list:

The illegal activites of Palmdale, California.

IF they are indeed illegal activities.

Which several people said they are.

But are they really?

hmmm.....

I'll have to take another look at their rules and regulations.

However, whether legal or illegal, they sure are making it hard to
impossible for hams to put up antennas of any sort

Imagine if you didn't stand up for the real laws of the country and
just sat back saying nothing and posting nothing and letting Palmdale
illegally
do whatever they want to.

you soon wouldn't be able to use your ham radio at all. Then no using
your cb at all. Then no using your frs at all. But it wouldn't stop
there.

Next or eventually comes regulating the color of the cell phone you
can have. The color of the cordless phone you can have if they don't
outlaw those first.
The color of your house. Etcetera.

And impossible to follow laws since they purposely contradict
theirselves.

The posts about Palmdale on qrz were back from 2006 and I think 2002
or so also. the current one is current, December 2008, and even the
2002.2006 one wasn't the first time Palmdale tried banning ham
antennas.

They also tried it around 1992 or 1994. I saw the posts dated around
then.

It seems obvious that Palmdale is NOT going to give up trying to ban
ham radio antennas or ham radio alltogether.

And did they or didn't they just ban mobile ham radios and handgelds
also.

From reading their rules, I believe their intentions were to ban
handhelds, but if so, they goofed as it seems to me their rules
permit handhelds and handheld antennas.

However, if permitted like it seems to be, their intentions might have
been to allow them instead of ban them.

But that doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of the rules.

It looks to me like they are trying to ban mobile ham radio operation.

What about those of us from out of town and out of state who just
happen to be driving through Palmdale on vacation or for some other
reason and have big honking huge ham antennas on our car since they're
not illegal where we live?

I think It said something about them having to meet the vehicle code
about ham antennas.

However, I have never ever seen any vehicle code mentioning ham
antennas.

Of course, being California, theirs' might.

If their vehicle code doesn't mention ham antennas, what are the
chances of Palmdale using that to say since the vehicle code doesn't
mention ham
antennas at all, then the ham antennas don't meet the requirements of
being how the vehicle code says they must be, and are therefore
illegal.

You have to remember, California is screwy. And Palmdale even more so,
from what I've read posted by other people.

They said Palmdale is and was already a bad trashy looking ghetto
dump.

And that a bunch of ham radio towers would actually improve the look
of the place.

I've never been there myself, so I can't say for sure if that's true
or not.






..



At least not without a big huge fight on their hands.





The latter is what happened to me and everyone else in the trailer
park once the new landlord/owner of the trailer park took over.

On Dec 15, 4:28*pm, policy-ham wrote:
Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. *The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.

It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.

I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h....spl120479c.pdf

QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he *http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892

There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmWLF...?v=b4wCWbzVP8A

Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!

Louis

I got law....I think all need to read it again

Todd N9OGL

On Dec 18, 10:28*am, N9OGL wrote:
On Dec 15, 4:28*pm, policy-ham wrote:



Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. *The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.

It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.

I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h....spl120479c.pdf

QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he *http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892

There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.http://www..youtube.com/watch?v=HmWL...utube.com/watc...

Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!

Louis

I got law....I think all need to read it again

Todd N9OGL

CORRECTION: I've got a copy of the law and you all need to read it
again!

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
On Dec 18, 10:28 am, N9OGL wrote:
On Dec 15, 4:28 pm, policy-ham wrote:



Palmdale, "Kalifornia" is attempting to outlaw amateur radio. The
city of Palmdale has now passed a draft zoning law that proposes an
enforcement unit that could seize amateur radio equipment and restrict
antenna height to one inch above a fixed structure's roof.
It also applies to mobile and portable operation using an HT. They can
even arrest you and take your HT just for walking down the street and
talking on it.
I am not kidding. Here is a link to the actual proposed ordinance
where you can read it for yourself.http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/city_h...spl120479c.pdf
QRZ.com are leading the hams in a campaign to stop this law from
taking effect. You can read all about it he http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=185892
There is also are some videos on YouTube from N9FAA about it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmWLF...utube.com/watc...
Hams in "Kalifornia" and the whole country have to unite to fight it
now!
Louis
I got law....I think all need to read it again

Todd N9OGL

CORRECTION: I've got a copy of the law and you all need to read it
again!

Todd N9OGL
You are both LIDs!