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cb radio in Canada
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:03:27 -0700 (PDT), radioguy
wrote: On Apr 18, 4:57*am, radioguy wrote: No it isn't unsafe. Talking on two way radios while driving helps people avoid accidents... it is unsafe. *ny law deems it so. Federal law overrides new york law... nope. ny traffic laws rule for roads running thru ny. and there you have it everyone. Anonymous said New York law overides and overrules federal law which means that under New York state law, you are NOT allowed to do what the federal government by law REQUIRES you to do. (the purpose of the amateur radio service as listed in part 97) even thogh the federal government has consistently ruled that federal law overrides and overrules all state laws. Because New Tork state law overrides anything the federal government rules. I don't believe for a second that a cop who gets a call on the radio while driving doesn't answer what you believe is irrelevant. *when you drive in ny, you will obey ny traffic laws, or you will go to jail. *period. your law contradict fedeal law. By FEDERAL the FEDERAL government REQUIRES hams in all fifty states to do things you say are illegal to do. There are no such statistics. ask the insurance companies. *they'll show you the stats. You're getting your supposed cell phone statistics mixed up with cb and ham radio statistics. They are two completely different things. And statistics show there is no higher risk from using two way radios while driving then if you didn't. And if there are such statistics proving there is a higher risk, then ALL built-in AM/FM car radios should also be against the law in New York state since trying to tune those while driving are MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than using a two way radio while driving. Or tuning a two way radio while driving. The builtt in AM/FM car radios are mucg more dangerous since you have to take your eyes off the road and bend over to tune them. And take off your seat belt to even reach them to tune the built-in car radios. I'm not Canadian. then you have no excuse. wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And under federal law. and federal law REQUIRES things you say are illegal. Also under law you are REQUIRED to have a working mobile ham radio in your car if you have ham plates And if you do, FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES hams to use it while driving, in certain situations. But you say new york state law overrules and preempts federal law even though the federal government has consistently ruled in many cases that federal law overrules and preempts all states laws. Of course going by what you posted so far, you'll then say those consistent rulings by the federal government in all the many cases so far that federal law always overrules and preempts state law isn't valid since New York state law ALWAYS overrules and preempts any federal law the *federal government ever makes. types like you need to have your driver's license revoked, and spend 5 years in a ny prison cell. Wrong. It's completely legal in my state. And hooked to my car in a way that can not easily be uninstalled since that was the only way to install it according to what the radio instruction manual said. Besides, if you have ham plates, then under law, you are NOT allowed to uninstall the ham radio from your car. And if it's installed, under FEDERAL LAW, you are REQUIRED to use it while driving, in certain situations/ then again you'll say New York state law overrules and preempts federal law and that you are NOT allowed to do what the FEDERAL government by law REQUIRES you to do. Also if the hams listen to you *and don't obey the FEDERAL law, the FEDERAL government fines the hams a bunch of money for breaking federal law. In the tens thousands dollars and hundreds thousand dollar ranges. Something most hams and I can't afford. And you still didn't answer why the cops in new york aren't arresting all the schoolbus drivvers and taxi drivers and truckers if it's illegal in new york state as you say. that is selective enforcement which is against the law. You're the reason and proof that enforcement of radio should never be given to local cops or local governments or state governments and should only be enforced by the federal government. There is no such law banning ham radio while driving in New York. and going by what you posted so far, it's very obvious that You don't even know how they work. You think that a CB, ham radio, and cell phone *are all the same thing. You think that a CB radio and ham radio just dials a phone number to call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone. There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is. so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way shape or form. and many other misconceptions you have about it and them. Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio. that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW. And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules federal law. that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford. Totally frickin wrong on all accounts. Federal law supercedes any like state law. If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal. And vice versa. Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates. Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a ham radio in the vehicle. IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated, which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under federal law. Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like police units do. So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY law. |
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cb radio in Canada
call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone.
There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is. so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way shape or form. and many other misconceptions you have about it and them. Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio. that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW. And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules federal law. that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford. Totally frickin wrong on all accounts. Federal law supercedes any like state law. If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal. And vice versa. Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates. Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a ham radio in the vehicle. IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated, which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under federal law. Cell phones are full duplex. Hsm radios and CBs are simplex. Only one side of a conversation can be transmitted at the same time. Vox would keep a ham radio and CB constantly transmitting even when no one is talking since it would hear external sounds like outside music, or just street noise, or the car's heater or air conditioner, that is against federal law. And both cbers and hams can be fined for it. Since it's allowed on cell phones and cell phones are full duplex, it doesn't matter since both sides csn transmit at the same time. So a CB, ham radio, and cell phone are NOT all the exact same thing like some of the people and cops think. Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like police units do. That is true, So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY law. That's what I thought. They keep telling me it's illegal to drive and talk with a microphone because "a CB radio and ham radio are boththe exact same thing as a cell phone" and that "it's illegal because reaching for and dialing the phone number inputs on your cb radio and ham radio to make your phone calls causes accidents which is why new york state outlawed using them while driving." I'd be laughing except I know there are many cops who do think that way. And don't know the difference between a CB radio, ham radio, and a cell phone. Or the laws regarding them. At least the cops in my area are good, and I think probably knowledgable. Although I can't say the same for the idiots in the next county. Who thought my cb radio was a ham radio and asked me if I had a license for it. Then after I told him it's a CB, not a ham radio, e said that by law, I still need a ham radio license to legally operate a CB radio. which ham radio license must show that I am legally allowed to use those particular CB frequencies. And that's not the only time I had a radio problem with the idiot law enforcement officers in the next county over. They even thought a radio/TV recieve only unit was a two way radio and told me I wasn't allowed to have it because it's against the law for the public to have two-way radios to talk on. I'd like to see them call their backup on the am/fm broadcast radio/ vhf/uhf tv reciever, and then wonder where the backup they requested is. And that was when I was outdoor on foot. Just watching and listening to it. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:00:14 -0700 (PDT), radioguy
wrote: call someone else on the telephone the same as a cell phone. There are NO inputs on a CB radio like you think there is. so no one using a cb radio has to make any inputs to it in any way shape or form. and many other misconceptions you have about it and them. Of course, next you'll probably say to use vox on CB and ham radio. that is also AGAINST FEDERAL LAW. And both CBers and hams can be fined by the federal government for using vox since unlike with a cell phone that you think is the exact same thing as a cb and ham radio, using vox keeps the cb and ham transmitters constantly transmitting from hearing all the sounds around them, which is a BIG NO-NO UNDER FEDERAL LAW Of course you dismiss that since you say new york state overrules federal law. that STILL doesn't stop the federal government from fining hams for obeying your new york state law a bunch of money they can't afford. Totally frickin wrong on all accounts. Federal law supercedes any like state law. If a federal law says it is legal, no state may make it illegal. And vice versa. Ham radio license plates are issued by many states as vanity plates. Anyone can drive these vehicles without the requirement of having a ham radio in the vehicle. IIRC the NY law says, "NO hand held devices". As most CB's are dash mounted, they would not meet the law. VOX stands for voice operated, which means in most cases, a driver would be wearing a headset and thus not have anything in his hands. VOX is perfectly legal under federal law. Cell phones are full duplex. Hsm radios and CBs are simplex. Only one side of a conversation can be transmitted at the same time. Vox would keep a ham radio and CB constantly transmitting even when no one is talking since it would hear external sounds like outside music, or just street noise, or the car's heater or air conditioner, wrong! Vox mikes are designed NOT to pick up and operate with any noise other than the operator's voice. that is against federal law. And both cbers and hams can be fined for it. Show me. Please post a link to the precise law you speak of. Since it's allowed on cell phones and cell phones are full duplex, it doesn't matter since both sides csn transmit at the same time. So a CB, ham radio, and cell phone are NOT all the exact same thing like some of the people and cops think. Most modern portable ham radios also have external mikes, much like police units do. That is true, So I do not believe one would be cited under the NY law. That's what I thought. They keep telling me it's illegal to drive and talk with a microphone because "a CB radio and ham radio are boththe exact same thing as a cell phone" Wrong explanation. The law says, "handheld devices". So technically, having a mike in your hand is illegal. and that "it's illegal because reaching for and dialing the phone number inputs on your cb radio and ham radio to make your phone calls causes accidents which is why new york state outlawed using them while driving." I'd be laughing except I know there are many cops who do think that way. And don't know the difference between a CB radio, ham radio, and a cell phone. Or the laws regarding them. At least the cops in my area are good, and I think probably knowledgable. Although I can't say the same for the idiots in the next county. Who thought my cb radio was a ham radio and asked me if I had a license for it. Then after I told him it's a CB, not a ham radio, e said that by law, I still need a ham radio license to legally operate a CB radio. If cited for that reason, the case can be dismissed because no license is required for CB. That myth was started because various states have laws against use of scanning radios in the vehicle. That is, a ham license makes everything legal. Sorry, no it does not. which ham radio license must show that I am legally allowed to use those particular CB frequencies. None. Amateur radio frequencies are not inclusive of the CB frequencies. And that's not the only time I had a radio problem with the idiot law enforcement officers in the next county over. They even thought a radio/TV recieve only unit was a two way radio and told me I wasn't allowed to have it because it's against the law for the public to have two-way radios to talk on. Ask those officers which walmart they their got badge from. I'd like to see them call their backup on the am/fm broadcast radio/ vhf/uhf tv reciever, and then wonder where the backup they requested is. And that was when I was outdoor on foot. Just watching and listening to it. Officer? With all due respect, are you really this ****ing stupid or did that badge make you that way? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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