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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 23:38:34 GMT, "Buzzygirl"
wrote: "Russ" wrote in message .. . First of all, there are only three kinds of people to a cop. Cops, cop's families and suspects. Second, never ask a cop about the law. They don't know dick about it. If they did, they'd be lawyers. True. Which is why even a ham should print out and carry a copy of their states' statutes regarding scanners if they live in a state like Minnesota; i.e. where only hams can have scanners in their cars (or if you've gotten a "special permit" from the state to have one in your car). Even though I don't have a scanner in my car, many mobile amateur radios have extended coverage that can pick up the police bands in the 150 MHz range, which makes them "scanners". Is this a legal definition? I would expect that a scanner would have to have the capability of automatically "scanning" a number of frequencies. Not that this would dissuade the kind of cop who takes your carrying such documentation as a personal challenge to his authority. I printed out a copy of the Minnesota state statute and a copy of my amateur radio license and I keep them in my glove compartment, just in case I ever get pulled over and a cop notices my 2 meter radio. The statute's very clear as to who can and cannot have a "scanner" in their car in Minnesota. Jackie |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 23:38:34 GMT, "Buzzygirl" Is this a legal definition? I would expect that a scanner would have to have the capability of automatically "scanning" a number of frequencies. Here is the text of the Minnesota statute... you will see it says nothing about "scanning" frequencies. A "scanner" here is defined as a device which can receive police frequencies: "299C.37 Police communication equipment; use, sale. Subdivision 1. Use regulated. (a) No person other than peace officers within the state, the members of the State Patrol, and persons who hold an amateur radio license issued by the Federal Communications Commission, shall equip any motor vehicle with any radio equipment or combination of equipment, capable of receiving any radio signal, message, or information from any police emergency frequency, or install, use, or possess the equipment in a motor vehicle without permission from the superintendent of the bureau upon a form prescribed by the superintendent." Not that this would dissuade the kind of cop who takes your carrying such documentation as a personal challenge to his authority. I would bring it up to a judge in traffic court and lodge a formal complaint with the PD, if it had to go that far. Jackie |
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"Buzzygirl" wrote:
Not that this would dissuade the kind of cop who takes your carrying such documentation as a personal challenge to his authority. I would bring it up to a judge in traffic court and lodge a formal complaint with the PD, if it had to go that far. Hah. You don't remember the case of the kid who was an ARES worker a few years ago... had an RS HTX-202, which had no out-of-band capabilities at all, cop stopped him, kerchunked his radio and -- surprise! -- it desensed his police radio. Confiscation and charges ensued. It took a lot of work and time (years) to get it untangled, and it was a headline issue with ARRL for quite a while. The only good news to come out of it was that particular police department got publicised as the ****heads they were. I wonder if there's an active ARES chapter left there... ....search engines are wonderful. Here's a more accurate summary of the endgame: Charges dismissed in Godsey case: It took more than two years, but all charges against a Kentucky ham for impersonating a public servant and disorderly conduct finally were dropped in December. Greg Godsey, KF4BDY, of Hopkinsville, was just shy of his seventeenth birthday when he was arrested by police in his hometown. At the time, Godsey was active in ARES as Christian County EC. He claims the impersonation charge stemmed from his ARES association. Police also had charged Godsey with carrying a scanner capable of receiving police frequencies and confiscated his Radio Shack HTX-202. The scanner charge reportedly was dismissed in court the following month, and his H-T was returned to him. The other charges had remained on the court docket, however. Godsey, now 19, said the charges were dropped in December after he agreed to not sue anybody over the matter. Godsey says he and his family spent more than $3000 fighting the charges against him. Source: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/02/23/3/ I would have ****in' sued to bankrupt the city. Not that I'm bitter about power-mad authority types, oh, no. (Local situation is much better and I am an ARES member. Cops here actually treat us with respect, and get the same in return.) -- Eric F. Richards, "Making me root for a sanctimonious statist blowhard like Kerry isn't the worst thing Bush has done to the country. But it's the offense that I take most personally." -- http://www.reason.com/links/links071304.shtml |
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"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Buzzygirl" wrote: Hah. You don't remember the case of the kid who was an ARES worker a few years ago... had an RS HTX-202, which had no out-of-band capabilities at all, cop stopped him, kerchunked his radio and -- surprise! -- it desensed his police radio. Confiscation and charges ensued. No, I didn't hear about that. Our tax dollars at work. (Local situation is much better and I am an ARES member. Cops here actually treat us with respect, and get the same in return.) Fortunately, I believe it's the same way here, at least with several PDs I've worked with. They have actually requested the assistance of a couple of local clubs I've belonged to when there've been local fairs and large events. I also belong to a club that works directly with county public emergency personnel. Perhaps this is the exception rather than the rule. Jackie |
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"Buzzygirl" wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Buzzygirl" wrote: Hah. You don't remember the case of the kid who was an ARES worker a few years ago... had an RS HTX-202, which had no out-of-band capabilities at all, cop stopped him, kerchunked his radio and -- surprise! -- it desensed his police radio. Confiscation and charges ensued. No, I didn't hear about that. Our tax dollars at work. (Local situation is much better and I am an ARES member. Cops here actually treat us with respect, and get the same in return.) Fortunately, I believe it's the same way here, at least with several PDs I've worked with. They have actually requested the assistance of a couple of local clubs I've belonged to when there've been local fairs and large events. I also belong to a club that works directly with county public emergency personnel. Perhaps this is the exception rather than the rule. But there are a lot of exceptions. Michigan and Pennsylvania are notorious. I'd work with the Salvation Army, the Red Cross, any humanitarian organization you could think of in those two states, but I would never, ever work with any of their police departments. Jackie -- Eric F. Richards, "Making me root for a sanctimonious statist blowhard like Kerry isn't the worst thing Bush has done to the country. But it's the offense that I take most personally." -- http://www.reason.com/links/links071304.shtml |
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I would have pushed to have the cop charged with impersonating an
amateur radio operator and for transmitting on the ham bands without a license Eric F. Richards wrote: Hah. You don't remember the case of the kid who was an ARES worker a few years ago... had an RS HTX-202, which had no out-of-band capabilities at all, cop stopped him, kerchunked his radio and -- surprise! -- it desensed his police radio. Confiscation and charges ensued. It took a lot of work and time (years) to get it untangled, and it was a headline issue with ARRL for quite a while. The only good news to come out of it was that particular police department got publicised as the ****heads they were. I wonder if there's an active ARES chapter left there... ...search engines are wonderful. Here's a more accurate summary of the endgame: Charges dismissed in Godsey case: It took more than two years, but all charges against a Kentucky ham for impersonating a public servant and disorderly conduct finally were dropped in December. Greg Godsey, KF4BDY, of Hopkinsville, was just shy of his seventeenth birthday when he was arrested by police in his hometown. At the time, Godsey was active in ARES as Christian County EC. He claims the impersonation charge stemmed from his ARES association. Police also had charged Godsey with carrying a scanner capable of receiving police frequencies and confiscated his Radio Shack HTX-202. The scanner charge reportedly was dismissed in court the following month, and his H-T was returned to him. The other charges had remained on the court docket, however. Godsey, now 19, said the charges were dropped in December after he agreed to not sue anybody over the matter. Godsey says he and his family spent more than $3000 fighting the charges against him. Source: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/02/23/3/ I would have ****in' sued to bankrupt the city. Not that I'm bitter about power-mad authority types, oh, no. |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:11:13 -0600, Eric F. Richards
wrote: "Buzzygirl" wrote: Not that this would dissuade the kind of cop who takes your carrying such documentation as a personal challenge to his authority. I would bring it up to a judge in traffic court and lodge a formal complaint with the PD, if it had to go that far. Hah. You don't remember the case of the kid who was an ARES worker a few years ago... had an RS HTX-202, which had no out-of-band capabilities at all, cop stopped him, kerchunked his radio and -- surprise! -- it desensed his police radio. Confiscation and charges ensued. It took a lot of work and time (years) to get it untangled, and it was a headline issue with ARRL for quite a while. The only good news to come out of it was that particular police department got publicised as the ****heads they were. I wonder if there's an active ARES chapter left there... ...search engines are wonderful. Here's a more accurate summary of the endgame: Charges dismissed in Godsey case: It took more than two years, but all charges against a Kentucky ham for impersonating a public servant and disorderly conduct finally were dropped in December. Greg Godsey, KF4BDY, of Hopkinsville, was just shy of his seventeenth birthday when he was arrested by police in his hometown. At the time, Godsey was active in ARES as Christian County EC. He claims the impersonation charge stemmed from his ARES association. Police also had charged Godsey with carrying a scanner capable of receiving police frequencies and confiscated his Radio Shack HTX-202. The scanner charge reportedly was dismissed in court the following month, and his H-T was returned to him. The other charges had remained on the court docket, however. Godsey, now 19, said the charges were dropped in December after he agreed to not sue anybody over the matter. Nice bit of cop thuggery there -- we'll sustain charges against you, probably ruining your chances of getting a job to support yourself with, unless you, in effect hold us harmless from any suit based on our thuggery Wouldn't the correct description be "extortion under color of authority"? "Challenge my authority and enter a living hell for as long as I choose to make it so, especially if you're in the right." Godsey says he and his family spent more than $3000 fighting the charges against him. Source: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/1999/02/23/3/ I would have ****in' sued to bankrupt the city. Not that I'm bitter about power-mad authority types, oh, no. (Local situation is much better and I am an ARES member. Cops here actually treat us with respect, and get the same in return.) |
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