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can't use FRS in the malls. even though they were advertised to
p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have
had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). |
MAYBE IT HAS A THEFT STRIP IN THE BATTERY COMPARTMENT THAT WASNT DISABLED ?????? |
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wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a pocket knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered. Lou |
"Lou" wrote in message
erio.net... wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a pocket knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered. Lou I would have to think the same. I often use FRS radios, now days I have a couple GMRS ones. We use them in the malls here as often cell reception is iffy. I have mine turned on, and have never set off a theft alarm in any store??? -- Remember folks stop lights timed for 35mph are also timed for 70 mph. |
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wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). I have, on many occasions, carried FRS radios, scanners, two way radios, ham transceivers, pagers, cell phones, etc. into many different shopping malls and the stores within them. I have never, ever set off a theft alarm. A two way radio of any type should not set off a theft alarm. There's something else going on here. Ken |
Ken Roberts mentioned in passing :
A two way radio of any type should not set off a theft alarm. There's something else going on here. Yeah, everyone in my family -always- has a powered up frs radio on them and we have never set off any alarms in the stores or malls for about three years. -- Sam-I-Am If you're going through hell, keep going. - Sir Winston Churchill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/04 |
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou"
wrote: wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a pocket knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered. FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector. If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference. |
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... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou" wrote: wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered. FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector. If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference. Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, was the CD in it's protective case too? I'm guessing it was, but don't like to assume anything. I may try that some time to see what any results may be. BUT now another question comes to mind, if it is a "library" issued CD, does IT have any form of theft deterrent strip on it somewhere? I've seen bigger libraries which use a theft system. As I said in my reply immediately above, and as some others have said similar, I've had no problems with radios and such going into various places with alarms. Be it while receiving or transmitting or carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows? Whatever went on there, was obviously a foul up - somewhere. It is possible the machines are able to make errors. Nothing is perfect! Getting back to your post for a second, as one pointed out, those "theft deterrent" devices are "not" metal detectors. So, something else on the CD must be doing it. Lou |
"Lou" wrote in
erio.net: Be it while receiving or transmitting or carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows? Those anti-theft tag systems use a large antenna to detect the tags. The field needs to be tuned, and whenever a pedastel or antenna gets moved, the whole field can get out of whack. This is sometimes the reason for the false alarms. I know I've had a fire radio set off one in a drug store once out of the 1000's of times I've walked into a building with that radio. Also, sometimes on high theft items, tags are hidden multiple times on devices. Often times they cannot be de-activated, rather just makes sure someones checking your receipt on your way out the door. I've also had a tag stuck to the color of my shirt once, by a prank playing co-worker. Had no clue, but everyone who passed through the doorways the same time I did, nearly got a body cavity search ;) john |
"John P Vassel" wrote in message
. 97.142... "Lou" wrote in erio.net: Be it while receiving or transmitting or carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows? Those anti-theft tag systems use a large antenna to detect the tags. The field needs to be tuned, and whenever a pedastel or antenna gets moved, the whole field can get out of whack. This is sometimes the reason for the false alarms. I know I've had a fire radio set off one in a drug store once out of the 1000's of times I've walked into a building with that radio. Also, sometimes on high theft items, tags are hidden multiple times on devices. Often times they cannot be de-activated, rather just makes sure someones checking your receipt on your way out the door. I've also had a tag stuck to the color of my shirt once, by a prank playing co-worker. Had no clue, but everyone who passed through the doorways the same time I did, nearly got a body cavity search ;) john While we're on the subject, I now recall someone once telling me that his 2 meter H.T. used to set off something in the malls. My memory is not as clear though on exactly what it was. I could swear they said the Radar Detectors on display for purchase, but it could very well have been the alarms. He used an HTX- 202. There again, having owned those as well and used them, I've never had that problem either. In either case, this guy who posted this originally, my acquaintance or others, a case of dumb luck? I'm not speaking a personal or mental issue, but using an old saying? Thanks for the heads up on the alarm workings, Had a vague idea of their actions, but never gave it much thought otherwise. Lou |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:21:58 -0400, "Lou"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:37:55 -0400, "Lou" wrote: wrote in message ... p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Strange, I go into all sorts of shops and malls with FRS radios, Fire Pagers, Fire Radios, and Scanners and a cell phone - not to mention a knife, etc. and have YET to have ANY alarms go off. As one person suggested, maybe there is a theft strip still attached there somehow. Just a guess! Not sure if those places have any settings to adjust, but if so, maybe they're set to max! The ONLY place I've ever been subjected to searches - and as expected, were in County Office Buildings, Airports. Even there, things like belt buckles, zippers, etc, set them off. Yes, I've taken my fire pagers/radios and so on in there too, but no knife! IF they don't recognize the type of radio it is, all they've done is ask to make it work. No problem. But I also carry ID with me just in case to show my need for said items. And, to make another point clear, any one of those items invariably has been used while in the stores. Still, no problems encountered. FWIW, I've set off alarms at my local library just carrying a data CD in my pocket. At one of the two, it doesn't go off if I walk in off center, but with the CD in the pocket closer to the detector. If I go in with the CD pocket right next to the detector, it sets off the alarm every time. It doesn't seem to happen in malls, but the doorways there are wider. Maybe that makes a difference. Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering, was the CD in it's protective case too? Yes. I'm guessing it was, but don't like to assume anything. I may try that some time to see what any results may be. BUT now another question comes to mind, if it is a "library" issued CD, does IT have any form of theft deterrent strip on it somewhere? Nope -- just some files I'd burned to CD myself. I've seen bigger libraries which use a theft system. As I said in my reply immediately above, and as some others have said similar, I've had no problems with radios and such going into various places with alarms. Be it while receiving or transmitting or carrying items such as pocket knives, etc. Maybe some alarms are more sensitive than others, but I've not run into any - yet. Then on the other hand, I've seen one go off even though a person in front of me was checked out and tried to leave. They were checked and found all to be in order, and told to go ahead. So, who knows? Whatever went on there, was obviously a foul up - somewhere. It is possible the machines are able to make errors. Nothing is perfect! Getting back to your post for a second, as one pointed out, those "theft deterrent" devices are "not" metal detectors. So, something else on the CD must be doing it. Agreed. I did misstate one thing about the position of the CD. If I walk in such that the CD is e.g. in my right pocket and I walk close to the left side of the detector, such that the CD is more or less centered, it doesn'r set off the alarm. If I were to walk in farther to the right, so that the CD passed very close to that side of the detector, it would set the alarm off. |
"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ...
Or, perhaps you could just pull the damn thing off the inside of the battery door and be done with it... Yes... Much ado about NOTHING! - Stewart http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MURS-OPEN |
I carry a cell phone and work UHF walkie-talkie into malls, and have
never set off anything. I have also used FRS radios when shopping with my wife in malls. Again, we have never set off anything. Maybe your radios have something strange going on, or are putting out some weird signal. I just read last week about a guy watching TV in his own home when the authorities showed up and banged on his door. His TV was putting out a stray off-freq signal that just happened to be on the same freq as some of the aircraft distress beacons. So, strange things can and do happen. wrote: p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). |
The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that
has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their deactivator. |
I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the
time. without a problem The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their deactivator. |
"JunkMan" wrote in message
... I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the time. without a problem The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their deactivator. He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair. TRM |
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:27:18 -0400, "OH YEAH"
wrote: "JunkMan" wrote in message ... I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the time. without a problem The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their deactivator. He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair. TRM Yeah, I can use mine in stores also. Whats fun is when you hear a employee talking, giving out a name, then say on radio the name and something like "go to shipping" or "You're a idiot". ----- Dave B It was long ago and far away, and it was so much better than it is today. - Meatloaf |
"Dave B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:27:18 -0400, "OH YEAH" wrote: "JunkMan" wrote in message ... I am not sure I understand. I use my FRS in malls and stores all the time. without a problem The problem is that the FRS has a sensormatic tag inside the case that has not been deactivated. You can either disassemble the FRS and remove the tag or ask a sympathetic store to run it past their deactivator. He probably bought them somewhere via mail or something and the theft tag wasn't deactivated. I use mine all the time too, no big deal. IF deactivating the radio with the store's equipment doesn't help, maybe contact the company who made them for advice or buy a new pair. TRM Yeah, I can use mine in stores also. Whats fun is when you hear a employee talking, giving out a name, then say on radio the name and something like "go to shipping" or "You're a idiot". ----- Dave B It was long ago and far away, and it was so much better than it is today. - Meatloaf Funny, I was in a mall one day.. My brother and I were on ours. There was "no" one else talking. We said a few things then some one said GET OFF THE CHANNEL. Well, you can imagine what my reply was! I'll let your imagination run. TRM |
It's called private property. Malls and shopping centers are on private
property and can establish whatever rules they wish regarding the use of cellphones, radios, etc. If you don't like it move on. If you want to enter the premises, leave the radios in the car. In addition to concern regarding a radio's use for shoplifting is the concern of comparison shopping. My son had a summer job at a Target Store in the mall and knew of more than one employee who was sent to Walmart to compare prices using an HT. Not a good idea. However, I have been in Circuit City using my HT and talking through our local 444.275 mhz. repeater and had no problems. It just depends on who allows what where. wrote: p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). |
Mr. Wilson, with all due respect, your reply had absolutely "nothing" to do
with the thread. "Read it!". He didn't say he wasn't permitted to talk, he said he was setting off alarms - you know - the "theft deterrent" alarms that go off when you walk out of a store with stolen merchandise. This thread is probably 5 months or more old. I wrote into it many months back with my own reply as to what could be happening - under a different name. As I stated before and as have others, I go into stores/malls all the time with fire radios, ham radios, etc. No alarms and not a word is said. They can NOT assume you to be "stealing". That would be a law suit they wouldn't want to face. You say you walk into a store using your Ham H.T. with no complaints - again, so do many others!!!!! Most store employees wouldn't know the freaking difference between my fire radio, your ham radio or an FRS radio. So, that statement doesn't hold water. This man was only wondering WHY his radio was setting off the Theft Alarm... that is ALL. L. "john wilson" wrote in message ... It's called private property. Malls and shopping centers are on private property and can establish whatever rules they wish regarding the use of cellphones, radios, etc. If you don't like it move on. If you want to enter the premises, leave the radios in the car. In addition to concern regarding a radio's use for shoplifting is the concern of comparison shopping. My son had a summer job at a Target Store in the mall and knew of more than one employee who was sent to Walmart to compare prices using an HT. Not a good idea. However, I have been in Circuit City using my HT and talking through our local 444.275 mhz. repeater and had no problems. It just depends on who allows what where. wrote: p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). |
"john wilson" wrote in message ... It's called private property. Malls and shopping centers are on private property and can establish whatever rules they wish regarding the use of cellphones, radios, etc. If you don't like it move on. If you want to enter the premises, leave the radios in the car. In addition to concern regarding a radio's use for shoplifting is the concern of comparison shopping. My son had a summer job at a Target Store in the mall and knew of more than one employee who was sent to Walmart to compare prices using an HT. Not a good idea. However, I have been in Circuit City using my HT and talking through our local 444.275 mhz. repeater and had no problems. It just depends on who allows what where. wrote: p.s. I did not steal these FRS radios. I bought them legally, and have had them probably over a week now. They were advertised as to keep in touch witg yur family (and locate each other) at shoppng malls and parks. of course, when you go to a shopping mall, you usually shop, and since these radios were advertised for to be used at shopping malls, it never even crossed my mind that just having them (turned off, not transmitting, just having them) would set off the theft alarms of every single store in the mall that I went into and out of both when I went in and when I went out. until. it happened to me today. I did not have anything else with me that would have set off the theft alarms, and I did not try to steal anything from any store. The alarms must have detected the metal and went off when they did so. So I imagine anyone carrying just a regular handheld scanner they have to listen to would also acidentally set them off. My purpose was communications since the radio I had was advetrised to be used at the mall for personal communications with famly (to locate each other when we're ready to leave). Whose at fault here? The stores and mall or the radio manufacturers or the FCC for allowing it (FRS) to be used for that purpose and promoting it to be used that for purpose? They'll all probably blame each other. What I do know however, is that this can cause some very serious trouble and very serious problems with people. such as Theft alarms going off when people didn't steal anything and are just legally carrying their FRS radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything. and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Theft alarms going off when Liscened GMRS users are just carrying their radios and getting picked up by mall security and police for it, even if they didn't transmit anything, and were using it the way it was intended to and advertised as. Mall security and police going to a store where the theft allarm went off because of a FRS user or liscened GMRS user just having their radio with them, to be used as intended, while a real burglarly happens at a different store in the same mall and all the security personnel and police are at the store with the FRS or GMRS user because the theft alarms went off just from the FRS user or GMRS user having their radio with them. (not even transmitting anything). Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. |
Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ |
Happens all the time. Seen it with phones and radios alike. The door entry
card my company uses sets off Walgreen Pharmacy, Burlington Coat Factory, and Macy's almost 100% of the time. Its doesn't happen in other stores. I assume its related to the brand and model of loss prevention systems they use. Most of these systems use a concept called "RF tags", where a small resonant circuit inside the inventory control tag resonates and responds with the "right" code and sets off the alarm. Its powered by induction, or the electromagnetic field generated by the sensors near the door. Sort of an advanced version of moving a coil around a magnet to generate a current. Door entry cards of this type (not to be confused with ones you have to "swipe" like a credit card) use a technology similar to RF tags, but a bit more complex. It allows the card to be read simply by being near the touch plate. I've concluded that it sets off store systems because the card's circuit is activated by the store's inventory control sensors and the system is too dumb to tell the difference between my card and a inventory tag. To avoid setting these off, I just try and remember to leve my id at home or in the car, or if I forget, I hold it over my head as a I walk in (though I admit that does attract some funny "looks"). "nana" wrote in message ... Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ |
Mmmmmmm Haaaaaaaaam....sweet juicy haaaaammmm.
I've had my wheelchair set of detectors in stores. Big masses of metal coiled wire seem to do it. I remember it happening as I was leaving a radio shack after buying a roll of cable wire. There were no tags on it it was just the amount of metal that set up the response. But I still Like ham :) and can't see how a chunk of tasty meat would set off the alarms. nana wrote: Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ |
nana wrote:
Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ A friend of mine plucked one of those anti-theft plastic doohickeys from a high-ticket item and stuck it onto the back of my belt and I set off the detector over and over again as I walked through the exit door. Some friend. I wish I had thought of it. |
what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the
beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? "Dave Bushong" wrote in message ... nana wrote: Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ A friend of mine plucked one of those anti-theft plastic doohickeys from a high-ticket item and stuck it onto the back of my belt and I set off the detector over and over again as I walked through the exit door. Some friend. I wish I had thought of it. |
Then they replay the camera videos, catch you in the act, call the police
and have you charged for causing public mischief, or banned from their store. nana "Tom H" wrote in message news:0WBEd.45565$8l.26799@pd7tw1no... what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? "Dave Bushong" wrote in message ... nana wrote: Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ A friend of mine plucked one of those anti-theft plastic doohickeys from a high-ticket item and stuck it onto the back of my belt and I set off the detector over and over again as I walked through the exit door. Some friend. I wish I had thought of it. |
Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating doing this at all, in fact I'm
thinking about it from the perspective of the store owners, truth be told. What if scurrilous, frivolous lawsuit-sters built a transmitter that set the beeper off and triggered it as one of them walked through? And, just for the sake of argument, say the good guys didn't find out about it(which of course, isn't likely, given that good always triumphs over evil). The honest, hard working retail corporation would argue they had PC to arrest the scurrilous lawsuit-sters, and the (being the rotten scoundrels that they are) would argue that, no, they didn't have PC. Just out of curiosity, and yes, I KNOW, it's way off topic. After this I won't ask any more questions, but what do you guys think the judge would rule on this? would the scoundrels (God forbid) have a slim chance of successfully perpetrating their criminal act? "Mark" wrote in message ... Assuming they didn't have decent video (which most stores don't - belive it or not), they would have to be very inept not to be able to find the security tag on you just short of a rubber glove search. You set off the alarm, that is PC enough for them to hold you and demand you empty your pockets. It will hold up in court, so you can waste your time fighting a CR violation it if you want, but... Once they find that tag, you get a free ride to the Grey Bar Motel. Even though it's just a stupid tag - you still stole it. Think twice about this kind of joke. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:33:40 +1100, "nana" wrote: Then they replay the camera videos, catch you in the act, call the police and have you charged for causing public mischief, or banned from their store. nana "Tom H" wrote in message news:0WBEd.45565$8l.26799@pd7tw1no... what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? "Dave Bushong" wrote in message ... nana wrote: Lets not forget, an amateur license carries a higher degree of respect than does a non licensed device. With whom? Most people still have no accurate idea what a Ham is! In regards to this ancient thread - my cellphone has triggered the alarms at the checkouts more than once. These alarms relied on reradiation of harmonics and perhaps some non-linear device within the phone did just that. The store did not go into an anti-theft frenzy. The girl looked up from her register, I took my phone off my belt, waved it past the detector, it beeped, I walked through after it, it didn't beep, problem solved. There is no big issue here. Brad VK2QQ A friend of mine plucked one of those anti-theft plastic doohickeys from a high-ticket item and stuck it onto the back of my belt and I set off the detector over and over again as I walked through the exit door. Some friend. I wish I had thought of it. |
A friend of mine plucked one of those anti-theft plastic doohickeys from a high-ticket item and stuck it onto the back of my belt and I set off the detector over and over again as I walked through the exit door. Some friend. I wish I had thought of it. It's an old trick, I worked at Home Depot as a 2nd job a few years back, had a co-worker stick on on my collar. Everytime I walked through the Sensormatic system, it'd go off, and the people near it at the time would be asked for their receipts.. All the while, they'd let me walk, since everyone knew who I was...(and I was just hittin up the hot dog vendor.) Not many stores are going to risk stripping you down to find that little tag. If you're with them, not being flakey, and they already realize you dont have any large quantitites or items on you, it's cheaper to let you walk than to prosecute, possibly falsely. john |
In article 0WBEd.45565$8l.26799@pd7tw1no, "Tom H"
wrote: what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? A better question is what would happen if you refused to let the clerk at the door inspect your bag on the way out even when alarms don't go off. Most electronics stores (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.) where I live station someone at the exit and ask each person to see their receipt as they walk out. What if you refuse? You haven't stolen anything so there's no legal basis for them to detain you in any way. And once you tender payment at the register and the money passes from your hand to theirs (or your account to theirs), the merchandise is no longer even their property-- it's yours-- so they have no legal claim to inspect it. The most they can do is say that you're not complying with their rules on their private property so you're trespassing but the remedy for trespassing is to demand the person leave the premises, which is what you were doing when the whole thing started in the first place. |
"BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article 0WBEd.45565$8l.26799@pd7tw1no, "Tom H" wrote: what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? A better question is what would happen if you refused to let the clerk at the door inspect your bag on the way out even when alarms don't go off. Most electronics stores (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.) where I live station someone at the exit and ask each person to see their receipt as they walk out. What if you refuse? You haven't stolen anything so there's no legal basis for them to detain you in any way. That's the point of the check, people have walked out with lawn mowers and television sets. They are bold and deceptive and dishonest. Just because you have a receipt for three items, doesn't mean you couldn't have stolen another two items. It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want to make a complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation? Do you have too much money or too much time on your hands? Really, these "what if" things are quite stupid. Nana |
In article , "nana"
wrote: "BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article 0WBEd.45565$8l.26799@pd7tw1no, "Tom H" wrote: what would happen if you stuck a security tag on your shoe, set off the beeper, and refuse to voluntarily accompany security personnel to their backroom for an 'interview' saying you didn't take anything and you're in a hurry, causing them to physicaly manhandle you into the office where they search you (if that was what they did) and find nothing. Assuming they don't find out you engineered the whole scenario, do you think you would be able to sue them? would they want to settle out of court? anyone have any thoughts on this? A better question is what would happen if you refused to let the clerk at the door inspect your bag on the way out even when alarms don't go off. Most electronics stores (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.) where I live station someone at the exit and ask each person to see their receipt as they walk out. What if you refuse? You haven't stolen anything so there's no legal basis for them to detain you in any way. That's the point of the check, people have walked out with lawn mowers and television sets. They are bold and deceptive and dishonest. Just because you have a receipt for three items, doesn't mean you couldn't have stolen another two items. It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. Sure, but they can't detain me at the time and inspect the receipt/bag if I don't want them to. The most they can do is ask me to leave, which as I said, is what I was doing in the first place. |
In article , "nana"
wrote: It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. How? Not sure how they'd even know who I am. If I don't stop for them to check my receipt, I'm sure not going to stop for them to take down my name and information for future banning purposes and there's no law that says I have to. I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want to make a complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation? Because it's just one more damn line to stand in. Shopping at Best buy this past Christmas, I stood in line to get to the register for over 30 minutes, then when I finally get there and pay for my stuff, I walk toward the doors only to find another line 20 people deep waiting to have their receipt checked. At that point, I'd had enough of it and just walked around it and out the door. The clerk guy didn't catch up with me till I was already at my car and said he had to check my receipt. I said, no he didn't because if I hadn't paid for what I walked out with, the alarms would have gone off. Since they didn't, I don't need to be searched. I got in my car and drove off. I broke no law so there's nothing they could do. [And they had no clue who I was so it's not like they could "ban" me, either. Of course, I don't even live in that city so even if they did figure a way to ban me, so what?] And how is that going to "besmirch my reputation"? It's not like the whole world is going to know I decided to rebel against the receipt search policy and even if they did, how that makes me look bad such that my reputation is besmirched, I'm not sure. Somehow I think I could live with the "shame". |
There's some ****ing people that just have too much time on their hands.....
"BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article , "nana" wrote: It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. How? Not sure how they'd even know who I am. If I don't stop for them to check my receipt, I'm sure not going to stop for them to take down my name and information for future banning purposes and there's no law that says I have to. I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want to make a complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation? Because it's just one more damn line to stand in. Shopping at Best buy this past Christmas, I stood in line to get to the register for over 30 minutes, then when I finally get there and pay for my stuff, I walk toward the doors only to find another line 20 people deep waiting to have their receipt checked. At that point, I'd had enough of it and just walked around it and out the door. The clerk guy didn't catch up with me till I was already at my car and said he had to check my receipt. I said, no he didn't because if I hadn't paid for what I walked out with, the alarms would have gone off. Since they didn't, I don't need to be searched. I got in my car and drove off. I broke no law so there's nothing they could do. [And they had no clue who I was so it's not like they could "ban" me, either. Of course, I don't even live in that city so even if they did figure a way to ban me, so what?] And how is that going to "besmirch my reputation"? It's not like the whole world is going to know I decided to rebel against the receipt search policy and even if they did, how that makes me look bad such that my reputation is besmirched, I'm not sure. Somehow I think I could live with the "shame". |
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"69FLH" wrote: There's some ****ing people that just have too much time on their hands..... Yeah, I don't. That's why I didn't want to wait in the receipt check line. "BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article , "nana" wrote: It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. How? Not sure how they'd even know who I am. If I don't stop for them to check my receipt, I'm sure not going to stop for them to take down my name and information for future banning purposes and there's no law that says I have to. I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want to make a complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation? Because it's just one more damn line to stand in. Shopping at Best buy this past Christmas, I stood in line to get to the register for over 30 minutes, then when I finally get there and pay for my stuff, I walk toward the doors only to find another line 20 people deep waiting to have their receipt checked. At that point, I'd had enough of it and just walked around it and out the door. The clerk guy didn't catch up with me till I was already at my car and said he had to check my receipt. I said, no he didn't because if I hadn't paid for what I walked out with, the alarms would have gone off. Since they didn't, I don't need to be searched. I got in my car and drove off. I broke no law so there's nothing they could do. [And they had no clue who I was so it's not like they could "ban" me, either. Of course, I don't even live in that city so even if they did figure a way to ban me, so what?] And how is that going to "besmirch my reputation"? It's not like the whole world is going to know I decided to rebel against the receipt search policy and even if they did, how that makes me look bad such that my reputation is besmirched, I'm not sure. Somehow I think I could live with the "shame". |
There most definately IS a point to all of this --- one relating to the
legal balance between privacy vs protection of property (seriously OT, I know), a very important point to the loss prevention dept and not superfluous or trivial at all. OK, if the penalty for refusing to permit a search is being banned, every crook in town will show up one after the other and be subjected to banning, whilst making off with a ton of plunder in the process. Lets leave the question of whether or not there is another method of detecting theft aside (which, duh, of course there is, this is simply a "just for the sake of argument" question), lets just say the only method of detecting theft was the beeper. OK, a guy goes through, beep beep, "No, I didn't take anything, I'm not submitting.", "You are banned.", "Fine, see you later ...", and another couple hundred dollars worth of stuff walks out the door? That doesn't sound right. My question is: doesn't the fact that the beeper went off give security the right (Probable cause) to make an arrest, in the event that the person refuses to submit to a search? "BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article , "69FLH" wrote: There's some ****ing people that just have too much time on their hands..... Yeah, I don't. That's why I didn't want to wait in the receipt check line. "BTR1701" wrote in message ... In article , "nana" wrote: It is a condition of entry and there will be a Notice somewhere stating the fact. If you do not wish to comply, then don't go in. Since you want to kick up a fuss, they can ban you from the store. How? Not sure how they'd even know who I am. If I don't stop for them to check my receipt, I'm sure not going to stop for them to take down my name and information for future banning purposes and there's no law that says I have to. I understand all these "what if" scenarios, but WHY would you want to make a complete ass of yourself, make yourself known as a troublemaker, get yourself banned from these stores and besmirch your reputation? Because it's just one more damn line to stand in. Shopping at Best buy this past Christmas, I stood in line to get to the register for over 30 minutes, then when I finally get there and pay for my stuff, I walk toward the doors only to find another line 20 people deep waiting to have their receipt checked. At that point, I'd had enough of it and just walked around it and out the door. The clerk guy didn't catch up with me till I was already at my car and said he had to check my receipt. I said, no he didn't because if I hadn't paid for what I walked out with, the alarms would have gone off. Since they didn't, I don't need to be searched. I got in my car and drove off. I broke no law so there's nothing they could do. [And they had no clue who I was so it's not like they could "ban" me, either. Of course, I don't even live in that city so even if they did figure a way to ban me, so what?] And how is that going to "besmirch my reputation"? It's not like the whole world is going to know I decided to rebel against the receipt search policy and even if they did, how that makes me look bad such that my reputation is besmirched, I'm not sure. Somehow I think I could live with the "shame". |
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:03:27 GMT, "Tom H" wrote:
}My question is: doesn't the fact that the beeper went off give security the }right (Probable cause) to make an arrest, in the event that the person }refuses to submit to a search? Probably not to make an arrest. Of course that does depend on state laws (which vary). In Missouri, to make a "citizen's arrest" you have to reasonable believe the person is committing a theft (crime) and then actually be right that a theft occurred. A police officer merely needs probably cause to believe ANY crime occurred and that the person did it. So to physically stop and detain/arrest someone is risky for merely setting off an alarm absent someone actually seeing them stuff something or walk out without paying. There are far too many false alarms to risk a civil lawsuit anyway. That doesn't even address when searches are justified (an entirely different animal)... Later, Dave |
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