wrote:
Court: Mom's Eavesdropping Violated Law

SEATTLE (AP) - In a victory for rebellious teenagers, the
state Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a mother violated
Washington's privacy law by eavesdropping on her daughter's phone
conversation.

Privacy advocates hailed the ruling, but the mother was unrepentant.

"It's ridiculous! Kids have more rights than parents these days,"
said mom Carmen Dixon, 47. "My daughter was out of control, and
that was the only way I could get information and keep track of
her. I did it all the time."

This is ridiculous. Wonder how this ever got to court in the first
place?

If she isn't going to wiretap anymore, the answer is easy, no phones
for the kids.

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids safe!

wrote:

I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids safe!
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You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!
And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ...
wrote:



Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve
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Spoken by a true non-parent. You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes. Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,, obviously you have NO experience at this or
your kids are in the less than 10 age which is when some really start to
rebel. All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,, or are you a 16 year old.
What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.

Jeff


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Jeff wrote:

Spoken by a true non-parent.

Except that he _is_ a parent. Now, please don't construe this to mean
I'm taking a stand on what he wrote, but he _is_ a parent.

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"Mike Rosenberg" wrote in message
id...
Jeff wrote:

Spoken by a true non-parent.

Except that he _is_ a parent. Now, please don't construe this to mean
I'm taking a stand on what he wrote, but he _is_ a parent.

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I dont care. He obviously is one of the holier than thow types
and doesnt have a realistic grasp of human nature. I know I am most
likely quite senior to him and have seen many, many cases of good-
bad parenting and the results defies his so called pie in the sky attitude
of parent-child relationships. Human nature or parent child relationships
are not mathematical equations where 2 +2 = 4 like he desperately
wants everyone to believe, by his rantings. Quite honestly he comes
accross as a cross posting lunatic.

Jeff


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Jeff wrote:

Except that he _is_ a parent. Now, please don't construe this to mean
I'm taking a stand on what he wrote, but he _is_ a parent.

I dont care. He obviously is one of the holier than thow types
and doesnt have a realistic grasp of human nature.

Ah, now that's a whole different thing altogether.

Quite honestly he comes accross as a cross posting lunatic.

A lunatic perhaps, but not a cross-posting one. When you see him
cross-posting, it's because he's responding to a message that's already
cross-posted.

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Jeff wrote:

"Mike Rosenberg" wrote in message
id...
Jeff wrote:

Spoken by a true non-parent.

Except that he _is_ a parent. Now, please don't construe this to mean
I'm taking a stand on what he wrote, but he _is_ a parent.


I dont care. He obviously is one of the holier than thow types
and doesnt have a realistic grasp of human nature.
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You mean I'm someone you SHOULD have learned respect for and just
admitted that I'm someone who had learned more than you and from
whom you should learn. But you're such an ill-raised little egotist
that it would damage you emotionally to permit that awareness.

Like most emotionally immature Americans you fancy that anyone who
disagrees with your grunting inability to express yourself at depth,
or anyone who thinks deeply on an issue, is "unrealistic", which
actually means that you're alienated from the truth about your
sick sick culture.


I know I am most
likely quite senior to him
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Are you over 54? And are you actually mature? I doubt it.


and have seen many, many cases of good-
bad parenting and the results defies his so called pie in the sky attitude
of parent-child relationships.
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The pie isn't in the sky if you get to eat it, moron.
The pie is quite tasty for me and MY family, yours is sour grapes!

Don't tell us it can't be done merely because YOU don't
want to do it the right way!


Human nature or parent child relationships
are not mathematical equations where 2 +2 = 4 like he desperately
wants everyone to believe, by his rantings.
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The math works just fine for anyone who doesn't have your neurotic
emotionally defective agenda against accepting it. Abusers always
want to claim that "ideal methods of treating others don't really
work" when what they mean is that they couldn't stop themselves
from misbehaving and abusing others!!


Quite honestly he comes accross as a cross posting lunatic.
Jeff
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Criminals personalities always think juries and judges are insane.

I post here, if others add newsgroups to annoy or attract others,
I ignore them.
Steve

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:50:37 GMT, "Jeff"
wrote:


"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ...
wrote:



Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve
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Spoken by a true non-parent. You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes. Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,, obviously you have NO experience at this or
your kids are in the less than 10 age which is when some really start to
rebel. All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,, or are you a 16 year old.
What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.

Jeff


Reading a book is probably part of the problem, not a solution. It
sounds like everything he knows is based on books he has read, with no
real experience to show the difference between theory and practice.

"Bob Ward" wrote in message news
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:50:37 GMT, "Jeff"
wrote:



Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!! YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

Anyone who pretends they deserve to GET differently than they GAVE,
is LYING! If you can't incur the love of your children so that they
want you PROTECTED, then you don't DESERVE IT!!
Steve

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Spoken by a true non-parent. You are so full of **** you must
have brown eyes. Parents can and some do "everything" right and still
have a problem child,,, obviously you have NO experience at this or
your kids are in the less than 10 age which is when some really start to
rebel. All of your stupid all caps remarks and all the stupid exclamation
marks tells me you have an agenda,, or are you a 16 year old.
What a dumb ass. Read a book dumb****.

Jeff


Reading a book is probably part of the problem, not a solution. It
sounds like everything he knows is based on books he has read, with no
real experience to show the difference between theory and practice.
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You may very well be right on that point.


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