I am a new ham and will respond to this based on being new. I got my
license last year at age 48 so I'm neither a kid nor a senior. I've
been tested and scored at 136 so I'm not a genius but am far from a
dummy. I mention these things to give a general picture of who I am and
where my position comes from.

Radio Buff wrote:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements
required for their license class.

Although I see the reasoning behind this request I disagree. There are
older hams who wouldn't be able to pass their license class test but
who still enjoy participating in their nets and talking to their circle
of ham friends. I don't want to be the one to take that away from a
senior ham who is hurting absolutely no one by enjoying their hobby.
The fact they might not pass the Extra test means nothing.

Radio Buff isn't going to want to give up enjoying radio when he/she is
older and can't pass the exam either.


The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

I have no problem with this provided the exam is similar. If you want
to raise the minimum score required while also increasing the
difficulty level of the exam by 20-25% the combination will make it too
difficult for many. You will kill amateur radio because there will be
far fewer coming into the hobby than going SK.


Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Code should not be a part of the license test anymore than PSK or any
other operating mode. There are so many different ways to enjoy and
utilize amateur radio today that were not available decades ago that
make code no longer a necessity. Mandating code skills is now similar
to mandating slide rule skills for an engineer. It is an excellent tool
and anyone capable of using it has a true skill. That said, there is
nothing that can't be done by one without slide rule skills. They may
be at a disadvantage at certain times and in certain specific locations
and scenarios but for the most part the individual with the slide rule
skills has no true advantage today as they did a few decades ago. The
same holds true with code.

I do believe there should be a segment of the bands each license class
is authorized that is reserved for those with code in their license. It
just shouldn't be a requirement any longer. It keeps otherwise
intelligent and capable people away from the hobby and the goal should
be to bring them in not keep them away.


Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.

This point is pointless with the sensible approach outlined above.

" wrote in
ps.com:

I am a new ham and will respond to this based on being new. I got my
license last year at age 48 so I'm neither a kid nor a senior. I've
been tested and scored at 136 so I'm not a genius but am far from a
dummy. I mention these things to give a general picture of who I am and
where my position comes from.

Radio Buff wrote:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all
elements required for their license class.

Although I see the reasoning behind this request I disagree. There are
older hams who wouldn't be able to pass their license class test but
who still enjoy participating in their nets and talking to their circle
of ham friends. I don't want to be the one to take that away from a
senior ham who is hurting absolutely no one by enjoying their hobby.
The fact they might not pass the Extra test means nothing.

Yes it does mean something. It means they're appliance operators. They
pass their exams once then forget everything and don't want to advance
themselves anymore or be proficient hams. They're not an asset to the
service, they're just lazy asses with licenses and only want to operate
appliances.

Radio Buff isn't going to want to give up enjoying radio when he/she is
older and can't pass the exam either.

If I can't pass the tests, I don't deserve a license, or renewel. I don't
get to operate if I can't qualify. It's that simple. You people think
that if someone can't pass a test, they should get the license anyway.
It's a government handout just like how you get your welfare checks and
food stamps in the mail at your project housing. Your Democrat party
outcome based thinking is what is distroying Amateur radio and America.
Everyone is equal and if you want to excel and improve yourself there is
something wrong with you because your not supposed to want to do that.


The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

I have no problem with this provided the exam is similar. If you want
to raise the minimum score required while also increasing the
difficulty level of the exam by 20-25% the combination will make it too
difficult for many. You will kill amateur radio because there will be
far fewer coming into the hobby than going SK.

Quality or quantity? You people that want things easy always say
requiring more qualified licensees will kill the service. You're against
quality because it require you have to work a little. Well, If you ever
need radio help in an emergency to save lives & property, and the ham
operator you talk to on the other end is an incompetant retard, I'll bet
you'd wished for quality then.


Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Code should not be a part of the license test anymore than PSK or any
other operating mode. There are so many different ways to enjoy and
utilize amateur radio today that were not available decades ago that
make code no longer a necessity. Mandating code skills is now similar
to mandating slide rule skills for an engineer. It is an excellent tool
and anyone capable of using it has a true skill. That said, there is
nothing that can't be done by one without slide rule skills. They may
be at a disadvantage at certain times and in certain specific locations
and scenarios but for the most part the individual with the slide rule
skills has no true advantage today as they did a few decades ago. The
same holds true with code.

Yah, we can't require quality or skill for a license. I know you're right.
We gotta be like CB'ers.


I do believe there should be a segment of the bands each license class
is authorized that is reserved for those with code in their license. It
just shouldn't be a requirement any longer. It keeps otherwise
intelligent and capable people away from the hobby and the goal should
be to bring them in not keep them away.

Code isn't a requirement, you can always talk on CB, FRS, and cell phones
all you want.


Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.

This point is pointless with the sensible approach outlined above.

No, it's not pointless. It insures licenses will improve and will be
valuable to the service. I know you would hate that because in another
month you would either have to upgrade or loose your ticket.

Doesn't anyone else here want to save ham radio? I'm getting tired of
arguing with the lazy asses. I hope some of you cared and want to help me
save ham radio enough that you emailed this to President Bush, your
Senators and Congressmen to press the FCC does the right thing for us:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and
pass all elements required for their license class.

The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.


73, Thanks for your support.


SC

Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
ps.com:

I am a new ham and will respond to this based on being new. I got my
license last year at age 48 so I'm neither a kid nor a senior. I've
been tested and scored at 136 so I'm not a genius but am far from a
dummy. I mention these things to give a general picture of who I am and
where my position comes from.

Radio Buff wrote:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all
elements required for their license class.

Although I see the reasoning behind this request I disagree. There are
older hams who wouldn't be able to pass their license class test but
who still enjoy participating in their nets and talking to their circle
of ham friends. I don't want to be the one to take that away from a
senior ham who is hurting absolutely no one by enjoying their hobby.
The fact they might not pass the Extra test means nothing.

Yes it does mean something. It means they're appliance operators. They
pass their exams once then forget everything and don't want to advance
themselves anymore or be proficient hams. They're not an asset to the
service, they're just lazy asses with licenses and only want to operate
appliances.
everyone that does not meet your standards is lazy right Mr Stpuid

Radio Buff isn't going to want to give up enjoying radio when he/she is
older and can't pass the exam either.

If I can't pass the tests, I don't deserve a license, or renewel. I don't
get to operate if I can't qualify. It's that simple. You people think
that if someone can't pass a test, they should get the license anyway.
It's a government handout just like how you get your welfare checks and
food stamps in the mail at your project housing. Your Democrat party
outcome based thinking is what is distroying Amateur radio and America.
Everyone is equal and if you want to excel and improve yourself there is
something wrong with you because your not supposed to want to do that.


The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

I have no problem with this provided the exam is similar. If you want
to raise the minimum score required while also increasing the
difficulty level of the exam by 20-25% the combination will make it too
difficult for many. You will kill amateur radio because there will be
far fewer coming into the hobby than going SK.

Quality or quantity? You people that want things easy always say
requiring more qualified licensees will kill the service.
no I say throwing at least half the current memebers of the ars off the
band would kill the service
You're against
quality because it require you have to work a little.
nope I worked a lot for the novice I was neer able to get

Well, If you ever
need radio help in an emergency to save lives & property, and the ham
operator you talk to on the other end is an incompetant retard, I'll bet
you'd wished for quality then.
first you might hope to FIND one


Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Code should not be a part of the license test anymore than PSK or any
other operating mode. There are so many different ways to enjoy and
utilize amateur radio today that were not available decades ago that
make code no longer a necessity. Mandating code skills is now similar
to mandating slide rule skills for an engineer. It is an excellent tool
and anyone capable of using it has a true skill. That said, there is
nothing that can't be done by one without slide rule skills. They may
be at a disadvantage at certain times and in certain specific locations
and scenarios but for the most part the individual with the slide rule
skills has no true advantage today as they did a few decades ago. The
same holds true with code.

Yah, we can't require quality or skill for a license.
sure we can

this has nothing to do with Morse Code testing however
I know you're right.
We gotta be like CB'ers.
nope


I do believe there should be a segment of the bands each license class
is authorized that is reserved for those with code in their license. It
just shouldn't be a requirement any longer. It keeps otherwise
intelligent and capable people away from the hobby and the goal should
be to bring them in not keep them away.

Code isn't a requirement, you can always talk on CB, FRS, and cell phones
all you want.
indeed code WILL not be a requirement verysoon

deal with it


Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.

This point is pointless with the sensible approach outlined above.

No, it's not pointless.
you got that right the point is that you want to kill the ARS becuase
it has eveoled
It insures licenses will improve and will be
valuable to the service.
nope
I know you would hate that because in another
month you would either have to upgrade or loose your ticket.
nope

I do hate the ioidea of yet again taking prevdeges away form operators
that Have earned them I think een the ARRL and FCC learned that lesson
year ago

Doesn't anyone else here want to save ham radio?
Sure I want to save it

you don't
I'm getting tired of
arguing with the lazy asses.
then do your self a kindness and stop you are not helping the ARS
except for contuiing to prod the No Coders into pushing the FCC to stop
the bleeding your kind hae created
I hope some of you cared and want to help me
save ham radio enough that you emailed this to President Bush, your
Senators and Congressmen to press the FCC does the right thing for us:
Indeed I did email your thought to a freind on the white house staff

I reported on the laughter that rsulted

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and
pass all elements required for their license class.
not bad but not likely since it will rsult in prevledges being taken
away from those that EARNED them

The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.
if you like

Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.
suicide for the service and will never be enacted by the FCC they have
ejuected anything that takes prevedlges awayfrom people

Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.
and the final

throwing half of the ops currently licensed would insure the loos of
most if not all of our spectrum

is it just that simple


73, Thanks for your support.


SC

Slow Code wrote:

" wrote in
ps.com:

I am a new ham and will respond to this based on being new. I got my
license last year at age 48 so I'm neither a kid nor a senior. I've
been tested and scored at 136 so I'm not a genius but am far from a
dummy. I mention these things to give a general picture of who I am and
where my position comes from.

Radio Buff wrote:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all
elements required for their license class.

Although I see the reasoning behind this request I disagree. There are
older hams who wouldn't be able to pass their license class test but
who still enjoy participating in their nets and talking to their circle
of ham friends. I don't want to be the one to take that away from a
senior ham who is hurting absolutely no one by enjoying their hobby.
The fact they might not pass the Extra test means nothing.

Yes it does mean something. It means they're appliance operators. They
pass their exams once then forget everything and don't want to advance
themselves anymore or be proficient hams. They're not an asset to the
service, they're just lazy asses with licenses and only want to operate
appliances.

Radio Buff isn't going to want to give up enjoying radio when he/she is
older and can't pass the exam either.

If I can't pass the tests, I don't deserve a license, or renewel. I don't
get to operate if I can't qualify. It's that simple. You people think
that if someone can't pass a test, they should get the license anyway.
It's a government handout just like how you get your welfare checks and
food stamps in the mail at your project housing. Your Democrat party
outcome based thinking is what is distroying Amateur radio and America.
Everyone is equal and if you want to excel and improve yourself there is
something wrong with you because your not supposed to want to do that.


The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

I have no problem with this provided the exam is similar. If you want
to raise the minimum score required while also increasing the
difficulty level of the exam by 20-25% the combination will make it too
difficult for many. You will kill amateur radio because there will be
far fewer coming into the hobby than going SK.

Quality or quantity? You people that want things easy always say
requiring more qualified licensees will kill the service. You're against
quality because it require you have to work a little. Well, If you ever
need radio help in an emergency to save lives & property, and the ham
operator you talk to on the other end is an incompetant retard, I'll bet
you'd wished for quality then.


Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Code should not be a part of the license test anymore than PSK or any
other operating mode. There are so many different ways to enjoy and
utilize amateur radio today that were not available decades ago that
make code no longer a necessity. Mandating code skills is now similar
to mandating slide rule skills for an engineer. It is an excellent tool
and anyone capable of using it has a true skill. That said, there is
nothing that can't be done by one without slide rule skills. They may
be at a disadvantage at certain times and in certain specific locations
and scenarios but for the most part the individual with the slide rule
skills has no true advantage today as they did a few decades ago. The
same holds true with code.

Yah, we can't require quality or skill for a license. I know you're right.
We gotta be like CB'ers.

I do believe there should be a segment of the bands each license class
is authorized that is reserved for those with code in their license. It
just shouldn't be a requirement any longer. It keeps otherwise
intelligent and capable people away from the hobby and the goal should
be to bring them in not keep them away.

Code isn't a requirement, you can always talk on CB, FRS, and cell phones
all you want.


Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.

This point is pointless with the sensible approach outlined above.

No, it's not pointless. It insures licenses will improve and will be
valuable to the service. I know you would hate that because in another
month you would either have to upgrade or loose your ticket.

Doesn't anyone else here want to save ham radio? I'm getting tired of
arguing with the lazy asses. I hope some of you cared and want to help me
save ham radio enough that you emailed this to President Bush, your
Senators and Congressmen to press the FCC does the right thing for us:

No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and
pass all elements required for their license class.

The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.

73, Thanks for your support.

SC


Dip****. If code is the only way to go, why are you using text for
your usenet messages? Can you say "Hypocrite"


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:15:26 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Dip****. If code is the only way to go, why are you using text for
your usenet messages? Can you say "Hypocrite"

If text is the only way to go, why do you speak?

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?

I think you have to refer to people like Al as "Code Nazis" as they want
to force it on everyone, they try to make it into something it is not,
they think code is a cure for what ails the amateur service, and the
only way to salvation is through the code. Anyone who is not on the
code bandwagon is unfit for the amateur service and needs to be eliminated.

"All hail the code!" - NOT!

Al Klein wrote:

If text is the only way to go, why do you speak?

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?

J. D. B. wrote:
I think you have to refer to people like Al as "Code Nazis" as they want
to force it on everyone, they try to make it into something it is not,
they think code is a cure for what ails the amateur service, and the
only way to salvation is through the code. Anyone who is not on the
code bandwagon is unfit for the amateur service and needs to be eliminated.

"All hail the code!" - NOT!

indeed and I have from time to time

spread any lie and deciet in there cause

Al Klein wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:15:26 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Dip****. If code is the only way to go, why are you using text for
your usenet messages? Can you say "Hypocrite"

If text is the only way to go, why do you speak?

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?


Can't you spell any better than that?

So, Al. Can you tell us how many receivers or transmitters have you
built from scratch? Not from a kit, or someone else's design, but from
scratch? Drew a block diagram that was converted to a real schematic
one block at a time where you did all the math, laid out the chassis,
cut and drilled all the holes and built the equipment all by yourself?


What is the biggest transmitter you've ever built or used? I'm a
disabled now, but I worked in broadcast, and built telemetry equipment
that is in use all over the world, and in orbit. Tell us, what can you
do other than whine? Have you ever built a commercial TV station from
scratch? Have you ever maintained a 5 MW EIRP UHF plant with a 1700
foot+ tower? Had the fun of finding parts for a transmitter that
haven't been made for 15 years while managing to stay on the air?

I found CW boring years ago, and have some hearing problems so I said
to hell with Morse code and got involved in the equipment design end of
things. It was more fun for me to develop a design and built it, get it
aligned and working, then move on to the next design.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:49:48 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Can you say "Yes, I ar wun"?

Can't you spell any better than that?

A spelling flame! I'm vanquished!

So, Al. Can you tell us how many receivers or transmitters have you
built from scratch? Not from a kit, or someone else's design, but from
scratch? Drew a block diagram that was converted to a real schematic
one block at a time where you did all the math, laid out the chassis,
cut and drilled all the holes and built the equipment all by yourself?

3 receivers, about a dozen transmitters. Oh, yes, and the automation
system of the Hong Kong Space Museum planetarium, the old Amtrak
ticket printer, some software that's in use in over 50,000
installations around the world ...

But I'm not the typical ham, I've been a design engineer for a long
time.

What is the biggest transmitter you've ever built or used? I'm a
disabled now, but I worked in broadcast

Never built anything over a kilowatt, but engineered some pretty hefty
ones. (Ch. 40 in Waterbury CT, WWRL, WHN, a few others.)

(You remind me of an IBM HR department of old. They always wanted to
know the largest program the applicant ever wrote. Someone
legitimately told them, back when software was a few k, that he'd
written a 3 meg program. It was a translation program with a 3 meg
dictionary. You're playing "mine is bigger than yours.")

Tell us, what can you do other than whine? Have you ever built a commercial TV station from
scratch?

All by myself, no. Ever build a planetarium automation system all by
yourself from scratch (including inventing some of the technology -
which is still, after 30 years, state of the art)? But I'm not going
to get into a ****ing contest with you. If you were mentally as old
as you claim your body to be you wouldn't have started one.

I found CW boring years ago, and have some hearing problems so I said
to hell with Morse code and got involved in the equipment design end of
things. It was more fun for me to develop a design and built it, get it
aligned and working, then move on to the next design.

Since I totally depend on 2 4 channel BTE aids, I can't receive CW
that easily any more, but that's not a good reason for the FCC to drop
the requirement. It's not even a bad reason. But when anyone can
guess well enough to pass the "technical" part of the exam, the
license isn't worth much.

Slow Code wrote:......
snip

I have never seen such a pompous, egotistical, arrogant horse's rear.
You insult and denigrate anyone not holding the erroneous and outdated
beliefs you espouse. You make assumptions about the character and
education level of those who disagree, all of which are negative and
insulting even though you know nothing of the person. You are wrong,
both in your closed minded refusal to even attempt to see the other
side of your mis-struck coin and moreso in your rude and insulting
manner.