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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:45:32 GMT, Cecil Moore
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:36:29 -0400, wrote:
but calling someone a cheat on federal requirement is


Post a link to my post calling you "a cheat on federal requirement" -
or even just calling you a cheat.


I seem to recall you saying that anyone who didn't take
his test at an FCC office probably cheated.


Your memory is THAT faulty? Maybe it's just part of being lazy.
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From: jawod on Sun, Aug 13 2006 8:16 am


an old friend wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 12 Aug 2006 10:10:55 -0700, "an old friend" wrote:



Anyway,,
Back in the old days, we used to walk 5 miles in the snow to the FCC
field office to take our exams.


You forgot: "uphill both ways, barefoot..."

We had to kneel on radiators while we
took the test. We used slide rules and crayons AND WE LIKED IT!!!


You are still using crayons but I doubt you know how to
use a 1950 slide-rule...too complex for brass-pounders.

Oh, and FCC Field Offices were NOT 10 miles apart in the USA
now, in 1956 (when I took a train 80 miles into Chicago), nor
before then.

Then we'd wait 3 years to receive our license which gave us time to
teach electrons to enter and exit all the tubes...stupid little buggers,
those.


Wrongo, olde-fahrt. Electrons, fields, and waves will ONLY
obey THEIR rules. You can't "teach" them anything. All you
can do is provide paths for them...on THEIR terms.

Boy, those were the days. When a ham was a ham, brass was for pounding
and AM signals were as wide as the day is long.


That was well before 1960...like before WW2.

These "young" whippersnappers get off too easy.


Pizza off, olde-fahrt. 51 years ago I would be walking a mile
from a corner of an airfield NE of Tokyo to the transmitter
house in the center which housed 41 HF transmitters ranging
in power output from 1 KW to 40 KW. Not a single one of
them used manual (morse code) radiotelegraphy modes. About
two square miles of wire antennas doing 24/7 radio circuit
transmission to CONUS, Hawaii, Phillippines, Okinawa, Korea,
and a MAG in Vietnam. Six of those circuits used multichannel
SSB (the commercial variety, like in-use prior to WW2).

I STARTED that HF transmitter site work in '53, NO military
schooling on kilowatt transmitters, RTTY, or SSB and NO
"CW" skill necessary.

I say, rank priveleges on the basis of how big an RF burn you can take,
or on the basis of personal weight.


Sounds like you had TOO MANY of those "RF burns."

See Dr. Robeson in here...he will bandage your "burns" with
one of his medical-practice certificates...those are sterile.


I may have said it befo take the FCC out of it completely and go with
the FDA. Those boys know how to grade.


"Ham is the butchered meat of swine?"

Last guy I heard utter that phrase is SK...used to work with him
(he was a code-tested Extra)...he came out with that every once
in a while when some amateur morseman got too full of himself.

(Too much tea this morning!)


Try a detox program, okay? QRT.



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From: jawod on Sun, Aug 13 2006 3:24 pm
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If MENSA membership is important to you, fine. Most of us find it a bit
pretentious and downright silly.

If someone wants to use MENSA to elevate themselves above the rest, they
are perched on very rickety stilts.


If MORSEMANSHIP is important to you, fine. Most of US find it a bit
pretentious and downright silly.

If someone wants to use MORSEMANSHIP to elevate themselves above
the rest, they are perched on very rickety stilts.

[I'll just add something like...]:

Stilts are needed by morsemen because their appearance, relative
to REAL radio people, are very short. They try to gain "height"
of their reputation by using 1930s standards in the year 2006.
Tsk, they don't realize that their new "height" still falls
short of everyone else...



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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:50:25 GMT, Cecil Moore
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Al Klein wrote:


Those trying to eliminate the code requirement are the ones trying to
alter history.


The past cannot be altered. Only the present, which is not
history, can be altered.


WOW! Did you come up with that with no outside help? (I'm not
overwhelmed - I'm not even whelmed.)


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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:32:21 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:16:21 -0400, Al Klein
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:39:45 -0400,
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your effort to smeear anybody that disagrees with you not withstanding
or indeed if you succeeded in producing a test I could not pass you
would exclude a lot of people besides me and kill the ARS


you reply which had zero relavance to my statement clipped


I hope you enjoyed arguing with yourself.

My statement if you enacted a standard that would in fact keep me from
passing, that would kill the ARS.


You're not that important, Markie. Or that well educated that if you
couldn't pass a test, very few others could.

That sort would require far more
than merely adding schamtics or going to short answer questions. it
would involved a test that would serious chalange Cecil and Len
Anderson both RF engineers, doing that would kill the ars as would the
asiine proposals of Mr Slow Code and many others


your notions are simplely not exexutable in anything like the current
sytem


Since you couldn't pass a final in a high school physics class, you
aren't qualified to determine what someone with an earned EE could or
couldn't do. As one who earned mine, I am.

the notion that multible guess is acceptable for pilots and drivers
(amoug others) but ham radio ops is silly


So you don't understand the difference between "choice" and "guess".
We'll just add that to the *L*O*N*G* list of things you don't
understand.
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:54:01 GMT, Cecil Moore
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Al Klein wrote:


Like it was "killed" all through the 30s, 40s, 50, 60s, etc.? Code
was required, as was drawing schematics. Yet there were more hams
every year than there were the year before. You have a strange
concept of "kill".


Following your line of reasoning, skill with buggy whips
should be part of the requirements for a driver's license.


For driving a four-in-hand, it should be. There's a keyer in my
fairly new rig.
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On 14 Aug 2006 13:58:41 -0700, "an old friend"
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and sewing skill for a pilots license after all canvas was once prime
plane covering


Let's add "doesn't understand the difference between 'constructing'
and 'piloting'".
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:33:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:17:07 -0400, Al Klein
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You don't even know what an incompetent response is, so how can you
comment on it?\


it is like pron I can't define it but I know it when I see it


it works for the law on Pornographic materail


No, actually the SCOTUS said that it DOESN'T work, which is why they
came up with a definition.
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