"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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clfe wrote:
As to the Titanic operator being a smart ass as someone alluded to in
here - maybe he was just losing his cool (very afraid) and trying
desperately to get help and felt any other signals were just going to
interfere.

It was before the Titanic hit the iceberg that the Titanic
CW operator told the Californian CW operator to get off the
air. He considered his normal Titanic CW message traffic to
have priority over any CW traffic that the Californian might
need to pass. Turns out the Californian's CW operator was
the only person in the world who could have saved the life
of the Titanic's CW operator.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

In that case then - I stand corrected, I was unaware of that.

Lou

clfe wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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It was before the Titanic hit the iceberg that the Titanic
CW operator told the Californian CW operator to get off the
air. He considered his normal Titanic CW message traffic to
have priority over any CW traffic that the Californian might
need to pass. Turns out the Californian's CW operator was
the only person in the world who could have saved the life
of the Titanic's CW operator.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

In that case then - I stand corrected, I was unaware of that.

It's totaly untrue. The Californian's radio operator ignored the
Titanic's distress signals because the Titanic was a Marconi ship and
the Californian was a Telefunken ship. The operators were not allowed to
communicate with the competing company's operators under any
circumstances under penalty of being put off the ship at first landing,
with no hope of getting home or being hired by the other company.

I recently blogged about it:

http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/2006/06/22/

Geoff.

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Cecil Moore wrote in
om:

Dave wrote:
C'mon Cecil, you've been licensed as long as I have. I Know you Know
CW. Does that mean we're virtually obsolete?

My favorite mode is CW and it's a fun mode but it is never
going to save the world.


With an attitude like that it probably won't. Better keep a microphone
handy.

SC

Bill Turner wrote in
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On 12 Jul 2006 10:24:55 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

if i was at my home station is no they would not die

and I am as no code as they come I down right hate the mode and yet y
pc and station is quite able to work cw as needed to save a life if it
was needed

------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------

He apparently hates English too.

Bill, W6WRT


Imagine that coming toward you 20wpm. I'm begining to think it's good
he hates cw. LOL

SC

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
It's totaly untrue. The Californian's radio operator ignored the
Titanic's distress signals because the Titanic was a Marconi ship and
the Californian was a Telefunken ship.

If the History Channel got it right, the Californian's CW
operator was asleep by the time the Titanic hit the iceberg.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Slow Code wrote:
With an attitude like that it probably won't. Better keep a microphone
handy.

Actually, what I keep handy is food and water.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
news
Al Klein wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
If CW had not existed at the time, how would things have
turned out differently? If the present GPS-based system
had existed at the time, how would things have turned out?

Since The radio operator of the Titanic knew exactly where they were,
GPS would have made absolutely no difference. If radio hadn't
existed, everyone aboard would have died.

I'm talking about the emergency GPS-based system now in
operation. Other ships are automatically notified of
emergencies and given headings for reaching the emergency
location. If the Titanic and California had been so equipped,
the California could probably have gotten there before the
Titanic sank. The GPS-based emergency system doesn't go to
sleep like the California's CW operator did. I believe the
California also ignored a flare from the Titanic thinking
it was just part of the maiden voyage celebration.

If radio had not existed, the next passing ship would have
rescued any survivors. That's the way it was for centuries
before the invention of radio. There were often survivors
in lifeboats waiting to be picked up in the shipping lanes.
Well-equipped lifeboats could survive for weeks in calm
waters as did the ejected sailors of "Bounty" fame.

The men put off the Bounty did not survive with ease but only through very
hard work and the superb seamanship and leadership of Captain Bligh.
Although he was an absolute ass while in command of the Bounty, but his
performance was superb during that time.

And life boats floating in the shipping lanes could capsize in rough weather
or drift out of the shipping lanes. We will never know how many people died
at sea in such boats after surviving the loss of the ship.

The various technological improvements, including radio, have been important
in improving the survival odds.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dirk wrote:

Ham's care more about operating appliances than knowing how to save a
lives.

:-(

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On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:06:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

I'm talking about the emergency GPS-based system now in
operation. Other ships are automatically notified of
emergencies and given headings for reaching the emergency
location. If the Titanic and California had been so equipped,
the California could probably have gotten there before the
Titanic sank. The GPS-based emergency system doesn't go to
sleep like the California's CW operator did.

Oh, you mean he didn't hear the automatic annunciator they had in use
in those days? Mechanical and clunky, but it worked.

The only thing the GPS-based system does is give you an exact location
- it doesn't notify anyone of anything. Plain old radio does that,
the same as it did back then.

If radio had not existed, the next passing ship would have
rescued any survivors. That's the way it was for centuries
before the invention of radio.

The way it usually was in the centuries before radio (just ask the
crew of the Nuestra Senora de Atocha) was that when the ship sank the
people on her died. (The Atocha's crew were all hardened sailors, yet
only 3 crew members - out of 265 people aboard - clung to the wreckage
long enough to be rescued.)

There were often survivors
in lifeboats waiting to be picked up in the shipping lanes.
Well-equipped lifeboats could survive for weeks in calm
waters as did the ejected sailors of "Bounty" fame.

1) There weren't enough lifeboats in the Titanic.
2) They weren't "equipped".
3) The crew of the bounty were sailors used to pulling oars for hours
at a time. The passengers of the Titanic - those who were allowed to
get to the lifeboats - were pampered women and children, not used to,
or able to, row a heavy wooden lifeboat anywhere.
4) People who are wet and in their night clothes - most of those who
made it to the lifeboats - don't survive very long in sub-Arctic
climes.

But it's nice to reminisce about what happened, even if it never did.

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:00:20 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

If the History Channel got it right

That would be an historic first.