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If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
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Example. A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. It was just last month, Dave. Swain's Island had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities]. The "Ham radio Certificate Powers"? The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned home. There is no-one there today! Really? The people who live there just up and left? Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. The carrier is just there for setting a dial frequency? How about if one just transmitted ONE component, the carrier and then turned it on and off and regular intervals. It might be possible to use the on/off pulses to convey information, huh? In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] Those "design techniques" were used as early as about 1927. Where is all this going? Dave K8MN |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Anonyma" wrote in message ... Dave Said: I'll say it again ... INVESTMENT!! If an activity is to have value it must have INVESTMENT. Hi Dave, Thanks for the replies, I surely didn't mean to get a flamewar going, but, it seems there are some very strong views on this. I don't mind putting an investment into something...usually when I learn something new, I research and get into it 110%. The trouble with the requirements and all there that I see is, that it puts up a very high initial investment before you can actually get in and do anything with it. I guess I question, well how do I know it will be worth all the time invested before I even get to 'play'? In my case, and I'm sure many others out there in this day in age, my TIME is what is of such short supply. I have no problem laying out cash for equipment...with most things I do, I generally jump in with both feet, buy equipment and 'learn as I go'. I'd like to do the same with ham and other radio technologies, but, in this case, I find a large wall in front of me of study and test taking, before I even get to jump on the air even once to see how much I'd like it. Does that make sense to you? Thanks for the replies, The time investment is not as much as it seems. That is even more true of someone who has experience in related fields or has experience in the art of studying. For those with some existing experience in related fields, they can often read up enough in a single weekend to pass the Technician written. This will let you get your feet wet in the VHF/UHF and higher frequencies. There's quite a lot that can be done in this area if you invest in the equipment. Again if you have some related background, the General written is not particularly time consuming to study for either. The code is only as hard as you make it by fighting yourself. If you decide that you will learn it, the average person only needs about 30 hours to get to 5wpm, assuming that a good training method is used. Getting the General license gives you all modes and all bands and the maximum power privileges. The only thing you do not get are some subsections on some of the bands that are reserved for Extra licensees. Now the Extra test is quite a bit more difficult but is not required unless you want to get into those subsections mentioned above. You spoke of "learning as you go". Basically ham radio is the same. Even the Extra class license has only scratched the surface of all that might be involved in amateur radio. The tests & licensing are to insure that you know enough not to get hurt, not to cause harm to other people, and not to make a mess on the bands. Also they are to insure that you have a grounding in the basics so you don't go spinning your wheels trying to get things working. You might ask why this is important. Let's just address the safety area for a moment. Well for example, you can actually get a burn from grabbing an antenna that is being used to transmit. If you get into microwave transmissions, you could fry your eyes (or somebody else's) if you look into the end of a wave guide while it's being used to transmit. You can get electrical shocks from feedback due to a poorly set up station. This is just a small sample of some of the things that you should be familiar with. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
If you saw Mark at a hamfest, would you wave or give him the finger?
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On 30 Aug 2006 04:48:26 -0700, wrote: wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 16:21:38 -0700, wrote: wrote: Woody wrote: Since I don't know this Robitussin guy, I really can't say anything in reply to this post.... rb All you have to do (if you've got about 8 hours to spare) is go through Google archives since before they bought it from DejaNews several years ago. "Robitussin" has thousands of postings in the same venal manner he continues to use... especially his self-promotion as heroic USMC veteran which he has never, ever proved through any third-party references, digitized documents, or much of anything else other than his own AOL home page and self-description on QRZ. He is clearly into his own fantasy of imagined superpowers without the aid of Stan Lee. :-) There's some real gems in there. Lawsuits. Robeson sues people, or at least he says he does. In his last lawsuit, he got an Upper Peninsula attorney gratis, then made comments on who his free attorney's wife might be sleeping with. Meanwhile, the person he is suing has yet to be served. acrualywaiti ng now for 5 different lawsuits from steve Five??? What are they for? one was fr reporting him the BoN another for Daring to mention is daughter (the one with dat 28dec) one forcontacting CAP, another daring to make a true stament about his daugter last month, another for asking if his wfe was fireproof to project her from Robeson flaming pants "Bricks through windows, slashed tires, terrorized wives." These are bad things that happen to people who shoot their mouths off, as some people have been told they do. Mind you, Robesin isn't the one throwing bricks, slashing tires, or terrorizing wives. "Other people" do this sort of stuff. his other selves perhaps I wonder if they've all manifested themselves on RRAP, or if there are others for situations at work, at home, on vacation, when in CAP uniform.... most likely he must have some persona that is not the asshole stev is , since he does go out in the world and hasn't been mrudered yet "Dialing..." On Robesin's personal authority as a male nurse and failed Marine, he can make a phone call anywhere in the USA and have you picked up on his say so. Really. yep whow much safer we are for him Mmmmm. I don't think it works that way. Now if it were a reverse 911.... indeed "PUTZ, Putz, putz" Disagree with Robesin and you are a penis with a yiddish accent. and then he dinies he makes sexauly based insults Anyone whose read his posts for 5 minutes knows that's a lie. not true sometime it takes more than 5minutes of reading to make obvious after all you must first decided if he is serious "PEDOPHILE, Pedophile, pedophile" If you disagree with Robesin and you give of your time to a youth group, you are a pervert. or just breath air (witness Tood Hans and Myself) "HOMO, Homo, homo" Disagree with Robesin and you are queer, with lots and lots of inuendo. that is you todd Han and scores of others Everybody's gay. except Steve of course and all these gay men wantsteve's body (not) same sort of insanity as wismen Robesin is a national hero, taking part in seven hostile actions as a Marine. Yet, his only overseas assignment is Okinawa. Never been injured, but discharged after only 18 years. Says he's retired. Says he's disabled. Says it's not medical. Says he has been rehabilitated by the VA. "Ask the VA." well I he=ard the army in wirtiing today They afrim the existance of my old unit Robesin has given so many mixed messages over the conditions of his "discharge" that no one be;lieves him any longer. indeed Robesin got back into uniform as a Tennessee State Guard "officer" of some kind. Very short lived career. maybe that gruop held him to professional stanards unlike CAP Yikes!!! that would explain things Robesin got back into uniform as a Civil Air Patrol (CAP) "officer" of some kind. Says he's a Major now. Photo of him in a sage green (not blue) flight suit on his QRZ website. As far as I know, most CAP volunteers are involved in training youth/Cadets. Hmmmm? I know that does worry me too Naw. It's everybody else you have to worry about. exactly sorry if I was unclear Robesin got a vanity call, K4CAP, while in the CAP. The CAP HQ is at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Then he gave it up. Look where his old call now resides. Robesin got back into uniform as a male nurse. Says he doesn't wear the white dress uniform. Probably just regular pants and a v-neck lavendar colo[u]red top. Robesin has military medals. He has lots of medals. Many of those medals he didn't earn. has he ever listed them? Nope. I'd only be interested in the ones he earned. But that would just raise more questions about seven hostile actions. I assume the good conuct is not amoug them Robesin used to be an ASSISTANT NCOIC of NMC MARS on Okinawa. Doesn't know the first thing about it. Doesn't know what a MOD is. "MARS IS Amateur Radio" according to Robesin Yup, you heard it here first. A well know amateur radio outlet had the owners daughter's photo featured in a prominent amateur radio publication. Robesin said she was selling "Something" but it wasn't radios. He's a swell guy. Robesin can make comments all day long about how your children won't respect you. His child died from severe birth defects and he knows that no one will make comments about his children. He's a swell guy. Robesin needs to talk to the wives. He needs to talk to Len's wife. He needs to talk to my wife. He needs to talk to Mark's wife. He wants to talk to them on the phone or in person. He wants to mail them. He wants to knock on my door to talk to my wife and posts partial addresses so you know to expect a visit. Now he makes jokes about Len and Mark's wife. He's a swell guy. I could go on, but I don't have 8 hours as Len suggests... So what's the real beef??? I disagreed with Robesin. He doesn't like the way I think. prehaps it was he disliked that you THINK at all I'm not a Morse bot. exactly and only bots like himself are welcome So what's the real, Real beef? I don't think the Morse Code exam should be retained for an HF license in amateur radio. me neither looks liek we will win With the tons and tons of sour grapes from these Morse Forever folks, no one has won anything. indeed http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer" wrote in message ... Dave Said: As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves? Thanks, noonespecial DX simply means distance. If you are talking about HF transmissions, it normally refers to countries outside your own. If you are talking about VHF and higher, it can be within your own country but at distances beyond line of site communications. The "DX community" is simply a term that refers collectively to those who are particularly interested and involved in the longer distance radio contacts. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I would like to add that DXing isn't limited to chasing awards. Some people
just like to find someone in a foreign country to ragchew with. One day I was lucky enough to come across a gentleman in Italy who simply wanted to talk not run a pileup. We spent about 1/2 an hour just chatting. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE "Dave" wrote in message . .. Example. A few months ago a group of ham radio operators went into the central Pacific Ocean to an island named Swain's Island [ATOLL]. Swain's Island had just been approved by the Ham radio Certificate Powers {American Radio relay League] as a separate DX [distance] entity and as such it qualifies as an entry into the various DX awards [DXCC being the prime award}. [DXCC means you have submitted written proof of confirmed contacts with other ham radio operators in 100 or more other countries [or entities]. The Hams operated from this rare location for about a week and then returned home. There is no-one there today! Let me digress into another of your questions: i.e. What is SSB? Fifty years ago ham radio, and still today the AM broadcast band, transmitted three components to put a signal on the air. First, was the carrier that set the dial frequency e.g. 3950 KHz. The carrier contains NO information, it just sets the dial frequency. Then voice audio was added to the carrier. This addition [modulation] produced two audio signals around the carrier. One above the carrier, the other below the carrier. So, the resulting signal had the carrier and one upper side band and one lower sideband. The carrier contained 2X the power of the audio. And the audio was redundant with 1/2 the audio power in each sideband. The resulting signal can be described as Double Sideband Plus Carrier. In the 50s and early 60s design techniques were incorporated to suppress the carrier, which contained NO information; and to eliminate one of the redundant sidebands. The resulting signal is Single Sideband [one audio channel] with suppressed carrier. [SSB = Single Side Band] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: Dave Said: As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. I've seen this DX term here and there, but, can't seem to find out what it stand for, or what a DX community is. Can you post some info or links on what this is/involves? well even if you are pulling our chain it is better than a lot of the stuff posted DX isseeking out Distant contacts for an eXchange of very basic data and ocollecting these conacts and esp proof of these conacts for various awadrd the DX comunity obviously is those into chasing down these DX contacts Thanks, noonespecial http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:18 -0400, Dave spake thusly: George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? The 'use' is something you just can't understand. The 'use' is a commitment of time and talent which adds value to the license. The 'use' is investment. The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. But, would my investment be more valuable if, for example, if an additional year of carpentry training were required for me to be certified? I mean, after all, cars had wood frames and bodies at one time so a mechanic would have needed carpentry skills...back in the 1930's. Such an investment would be a bad one. The skills would have no value and do nothing to enhance my skills as a mechanic. The extra investment would have no return with regards to being a mechanic. Carpentry would not make me a better mechanic and would not prove to the world that I really wanted to be a mechanic. CW is as useful to todays Hams as carpentry is to a mechanic. A good thing to learn, and potentially useful, but should not be a barrier. But then again, a mechanic *might* need to do urgent bodywork on an 1930's wood-bodied ambulance and therefore save somebodys life. ;-) {hehe...sorry..just had to pour on more coal..} Just about as likely a scenario as CW being the only way to save a life. But then, if I were stranded on a desert island and found some old war time aircraft wreckage, I could modify a magneto to be a spark generator and spark out an S.O.S. My mechanical skills help me there. Well......could happen!! -- \|||/ Kilroy was Here. (@@) ____ooO_(_)_Ooo___________________________________ _ |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| |___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ | |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_ _ Please note: All unsolicited e-mail sent to me may, at my discretion, be posted in this newsgroup verbatim. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
"Opus-" wrote in message ... I have been watching this thread for a while and now I must join the fray. lots snipped The term "investment" is very misleading. To explain my position, I am in agreement that CW testing should go the way of the dinosaurs. I have no problem with technical testing, as a way to ensure that potential Hams can operate their radios properly, without causing interference with neighbors and other Hams world wide. There is also a safety factor, with transmitters that can kick out a LOT of potentially dangerous power. So, technical exam = good idea. Here in Canada, CW is not required IF you achieve at least 80% on your technical exam. You need at least 55% WITH CW. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/inter.../sf08435e.html This seems fair, to me. As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but "mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or "Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it. So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense of the word. IN the way I "think" you're referring to - as an investment towards a "rewarding career" or leap forward into life - eh - depends on the person. Many do NOT make electronics their lifes work. BUT, many have started from ham (some from CB and then ham) and went on into some electronics or electrical field. So for "them" - it "was" an investment of sorts - into their future. Just like another part of this thread where "memory and memorization" was being used, hacked, slanged - the word "investment" could also go that direction. It is all in how you want to look at it and perceive it. Just my 2 cents! L. |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
L. wrote: "Opus-" wrote in message ... As for the "investment", not all investments are valuable. I invested years of training to be a fully qualified mechanic. There is considerable value in that investment, obviously, as it is my bread and butter. I'm not sure I recall all the other posters idea of investment - but "mine" - was referring to the time/cost how ever little - "spent" or "Invested" - if you will - in the way of time to study or prepare for the exam - acquire equipment AND to actually go on the air to make use of it. So - yes it "can" be looked as an investment - even if in a "minimal" sense of the word. but that doesn't count of course like My g-5500 totor set isn't an investment in my station these folks are just in to what I call the "S&M" school of licensure |
If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
From: Dave on Tues, Aug 29 2006 4:44 pm
Lloyd 4 wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:18:12 +0200 (CEST), George Orwell wrote: Al Klein said: Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down. But no one would expect you to be able to understand that. Well, let me ask, from the point of view of a potential noob to the hobby. What use is the code requirements? I can't really see in today's era, the need for them? I've been surfing around looking at ham and talking to an old friend that had a license and it look interesting to me. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. A DX pile of 100 stations on CW occupies much less bandwidth than 1 SSB station. The CW contact rate exceeds the SSB rate. As long a 'Rare DX' uses CW, CW will live and thrive in the DX community. Hey, "Dave," since when does the FCC mandate all hams MUST "work DX?" [try to remember that "the DX community" does NOT issue/grant/authorize amateur radio licenses, only the FCC] "Working DX on HF with CW" is an OPTION, not a requirement. In fact, the FCC doesn't even mandate 'working' a foreign radio amateur at all. ['foreign' meaning any country outside USA jurisdiction] It's your choice: if you want to play the DX game learn the rules including 25 wpm CW. "Dave," you really need to be reminded that the FCC does NOT mandate/require/encourage ANY "DX contacts." Neither does the "DX community" grant any licenses OR make any "rules" that ALL US radio amateurs must follow. Oh, and "Dave," the REAL US amateur radio regulations require passing a FIVE WORD PER MINUTE (equivalent) manual telegraphy test (15 words per minute with the "farnesworth" approved equivalent rate), not "twenty-five words per minute." "Dave," have you been licensed a long time? I don't recall ANY FCC requlations requiring a "twenty-five" rating, only the OLD regulation (prior to mid-2000) and that only for Extra class. I'd say you really ought to review the latest rules that apply in this new millennium. You can review those for free at the United States Government Printing Office website under "Code of Federal Regulations." You can also get it at the ARRL website since the ARRL seems to think they are the only "official" source for everything amateur... If you want to operate an appliance, but an appliance. You mean EVERYONE "following the rules of the DX Community" uses homebuilt radios? All have built their own keys so that they don't use appliance keys? Amazing... How does anyone "but an appliance?" :-) Beep, beep, |
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