Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #111   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 04:52 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Jan 2007
Posts: 29
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

"labtech_one" wrote in message
...

yeah, I've already 'heard' about that one, they were down for 4 or 5
hours,
hardly a big deal.


Not at all- especially if you need medical aid.

Usually when they are going to be out longer than that,
they bring in portable cell sites ( generator powered ), and can cover the
majority of the effected area.


Good point- You should invest in one of those to pull behind your fiero.

Don't think it really hurt anyone to wait for the few hours to call
relatives,
and tell them they were OK.


Who cares about those calls? Emergency communications dude- reporting
critical ****. Telling mom you are alive is not emergency comms.

As it is now,
90+% of hams BUY a radio, take it out of the box, and if it needs service,
they take it to the service tech.


Fine by me.

But like I posted earlier, its like the mail service ..... its outdated.


No doubt- but it still has a role- especially when all the non-outdated
equipment fails when the **** hits the fan.



  #112   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 05:09 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Apr 2007
Posts: 49
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.


"brad" wrote in message
. ..

Not at all- especially if you need medical aid.


chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time,
is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car.

Usually when they are going to be out longer than that,
they bring in portable cell sites ( generator powered ), and can cover

the
majority of the effected area.


Good point- You should invest in one of those to pull behind your fiero.


The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running
fine,
thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love them )






  #113   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 05:20 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Jan 2007
Posts: 29
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

"labtech_one" wrote in message
...

chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time,
is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car.


I'm sure you have the statistics to back that up. It's obvious you see no
value in the ham radio system as it is today- that's fine with me. I think
redundant, reliable 2 way communications can only help when things go to
hell.

The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running
fine,
thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love
them )


Plastic fantastic- no thanks I'll pass.


  #114   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 05:42 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Apr 2007
Posts: 49
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.


"brad" wrote in message
. ..
chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time,
is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car.


I'm sure you have the statistics to back that up. It's obvious you see no
value in the ham radio system as it is today- that's fine with me. I think
redundant, reliable 2 way communications can only help when things go to
hell.


Actaually no I don't have statistics, to back that up, (The number of sworn
officers of local agencies in USA is 1.5 per 1,000 of population.) that
means
that there would be at least 450,000 police alone, but there are well over
1 million police and fire personel in the USA, somehow I don't believe
ham radio carries quite that number, last I heard.( the ARRL reports
150,000-members ) So actually finding a police or EMS/Fire person,
should be easier.


The Fiero is getting a new exhaust system, but the Corvette is running
fine,
thanks I'll bear that in mind. (2 seater plastic cars, you gotta love
them )


Plastic fantastic- no thanks I'll pass.

NO RUST


  #115   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 05:51 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Jan 2007
Posts: 29
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

"labtech_one" wrote in message
...

"brad" wrote in message
. ..
chances of a ham radio operator being 'at hand' at that time,
is about the same as flagging down a squad or a police car.


Actaually no I don't have statistics, to back that up, (The number of
sworn
officers of local agencies in USA is 1.5 per 1,000 of population.) that
means
that there would be at least 450,000 police alone, but there are well over
1 million police and fire personel in the USA, somehow I don't believe
ham radio carries quite that number, last I heard.( the ARRL reports
150,000-members ) So actually finding a police or EMS/Fire person,
should be easier.


in 2000 there were almost 700,000 licensed hams in the US.





  #116   Report Post  
Old June 1st 07, 06:39 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Apr 2007
Posts: 49
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

Ok so we argree that the chances are roughly ( give or take a few
percentages)
that a ham on a scene is about as good as finding an 'emergency' (
police/fire)
person.

And I never said there wasn't a 'place' for ham radio, as a hobby its great,
if thats what you enjoy, ( same as me restoring 20 year old cars and
listening to my shortwave ( talk about a dying hobby ), or my scanners,
( also evolving, to digital and a pain in the butt )
I even own a couple Yeasu FT767 GX+ rigs, 1 with filtered
speaker, and the other with the phone patch speaker
Both have the 6m, 2m, 70cm modules ( both came that way),
They make FANTASTIC shortwave radios.

Don't get me wrong, I love radio, radios, and radio equipment
( I've spent thousands of dollars on radios ) The one I cherrish
the most, is probably my 1938 Zenith 9 tube Walton tombstone
tube radio.

Justifying HAM radio by its NEED in a emergercy, just isn't
as true as it was 30, 40 or 50 years ago. As a hobby, I say
go for it, but don't expect people to believe that ham radio is NEEDED.

What annoys me, is the jackass's that clung to CW like it was the
very heart of ham radio. Its outdated ( a relic from before the civil
war ) Had these people changed the rules 30 years ago and got
more and younger people interested, ham radio might not be where
it is today.

Another thing that annoys me about HAM radio ( or should I say its
users ) is, well read this and you figure it out :


"Thumper2u" wrote in message
ups.com...
I'm new in here. Looks like this might be a good group for me to ask
some questions. I used to enjoy scanners back in the day when they
were all analog, and before police, fire and EMS went to trunked,
digital radios. I don't know much about scanning in todays world.

I am interested in learning about pc radio scanning software. I have
heard of software/hardware you can use in conjunction with your desk
top pc that allows you to use the computer to scan radio freq's. I
live in an apartment condo so having a 60 foot antennae is out of the
question. Does anyone know about this software for pc that can advise
me where to look for it, how good is it, etc?

I am interested in monitoring police, fire, EMS, military, little
green men from Alpha Centauri :-) just about anything that would be
interesting. I could really use some guidance from people who are
experienced in radio scanning so I can figure out what I need, how to
use it, and what to expect.

My wife says I need a hobby :-)


Reply :

"DJ" wrote in message
. ..
Get your Amateur Radio License from the FCC, then you'll have access to

the
majority of radio traffic. Go to www.qrz.com for more info!!


MY REPLY:

He has 'access' to the ham bands WITHOUT becoming an Amateur Radio operator,
just like everyone else. Since he mentioned 'scanning' ( listening), anyone
can do that.
I have many radios, some shortwave, some scanners, some wide band receivers
that do both.
I enjoy listening, but have NO desire to become a ham radio operator.


  #117   Report Post  
Old June 4th 07, 04:33 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Jun 2007
Posts: 21
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:16:27 -0700, "DJ" wrote:

A friend of mine a Tech class worked Ground Zero after 9/11 and worked
alongside rescue personnel and doctors. All the cell sites came down
with the Towers but ham radio operators was there to assist in any way
necessary.



:Back in 2001, Seattle had an earthquake (a small biggie- lots of damage) and
:guess what, the cell phone system went down (up to 4 to 5 hours) and
:landline phone system was trashed since everyone was calling either 911 or
:their relatives, or what not.
:
:BUT
:
:Ham radio was alive and well, and we at the Western Washington Medical
:Services group were able to maintain contact with the regions hospitals, and
:blood banks, as well as other emergency services.
:
:So, yes ham radio is maybe dying, but it is also a true and able way to
:comminicate. Also note: when San Francisco had its earthquake, it was again
:ham radio that got the word out to the world, since their cell phone systems
:went down, and their landline system was in the same shape!
:"labtech_one" wrote in message
...
: I believe 'ham' radio is dying, because there is only so many times you
:can
: give
: radio checks and tell others what kind of equipment you have. If I tune to
:a
: ham
: repeater on my scanner, I hear the same conversations I heard 10 years
:ago,
: one
: guy telling another one what type of radio he has connected to what kinda
: antenna.
: Every once in a while you'll hear someone announce the monthy meeting, or
: some one
: telling his wife he's caught in traffic and will be late getting home (
: which he could have
: done on a cell phone at 1/100th the cost, and not everyone would know he
: wasn't home)
:
: Ham radio is dying because its outdated, yes you can 'call across the
: counrty' to another
: 'ham' for mere pennies ( once you buy the expensive equipment, put up a
:god
: awful ugly
: antenna, as big as your garage, and pass all the tests to allow you to do
: it ) I can do the same
: thing using a cell phone with No Test, No Huge antenna, and can call
:ANYONE
: that happens
: to have a phone and as a bonus... the whole world can't listen.
:
: As far as being a hobby and 'fun', well maybe, but I hear more people on
: ham radio talking
: about the time they have in doing antenna swaps and maintance, that I just
: can't even
: imagine that being 'fun'.
:
: Ham radio is much like the mail service, who actually sends a friend or
: family a written letter
: anymore ? you may get a birthday or christmas card with a 'note', you'll
: get 'bills' and junk mail,
: but when is the last time you either got or sent a long letter to a friend
: or family? Newer technology
: has rendered 'mail' obsolete, you have telephones, e-mail, instant
: messangers, and FAX if you really
: have to send a piece of paper, like a copy of a document.
:
: Perhaps if they had dropped the 'code' requirements 30 years ago, they
: would have picked up a lot
: of new users, but as far as I can tell, most of the new HF class users
:have
: just upgraded from their
: 'tech' status with very few NEW members actually jumping on the band
:wagon.
:
:
: "deBaser" wrote in message
: ...
:
: wrote in message
: news : On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:23 -0400, Al Klein
:wrote:
:
: That's evidently why the number of hams kept decreasing until code was
: eliminated, right?
:
: Ham radio is an old hobby, with mostly older people using it. Older
:people
: slow down as they age. Trying to tap out ANY speed code with arthritis
:or
: carpal tunnel syndrome isn't going to work for that majority.
: I re-considered renewing my license about 5 years ago. Today I know I
: can't
: tap out 5 wpm. Forcing this outmoded relic of communication on an aging
: generation is nonsense.
: --
: more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
:
: Well now you cant take a propper Morse test even if you wanted to in the
: UK.
: Now the amateur radio licence is free to renew online. If you want to
: play
: with digital communication using very low bandwith how about PSK31?
: Anyway
: I thought this old troll would be best posted in uk.radio.amateur
:
: Andy
:
:
:
:
:

  #118   Report Post  
Old June 9th 07, 01:19 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity by RadioBanter: Feb 2007
Posts: 28
Default You're not a real ham if you never took or passed a Code test.

"labtech_one" wrote in message
...
Ok so we argree that the chances are roughly ( give or take a few
percentages)
that a ham on a scene is about as good as finding an 'emergency' (
police/fire)
person.

And I never said there wasn't a 'place' for ham radio, as a hobby its
great,
if thats what you enjoy, ( same as me restoring 20 year old cars and
listening to my shortwave ( talk about a dying hobby ), or my scanners,
( also evolving, to digital and a pain in the butt )
I even own a couple Yeasu FT767 GX+ rigs, 1 with filtered
speaker, and the other with the phone patch speaker
Both have the 6m, 2m, 70cm modules ( both came that way),
They make FANTASTIC shortwave radios.

Don't get me wrong, I love radio, radios, and radio equipment
( I've spent thousands of dollars on radios ) The one I cherrish
the most, is probably my 1938 Zenith 9 tube Walton tombstone
tube radio.

Justifying HAM radio by its NEED in a emergercy, just isn't
as true as it was 30, 40 or 50 years ago. As a hobby, I say
go for it, but don't expect people to believe that ham radio is NEEDED.

What annoys me, is the jackass's that clung to CW like it was the
very heart of ham radio. Its outdated ( a relic from before the civil
war ) Had these people changed the rules 30 years ago and got
more and younger people interested, ham radio might not be where
it is today.


In a real catastrophe or disaster, it is unknown how a society's
infrastructure will be damaged. Who knows -- maybe transportation, maybe
communications, maybe government, maybe something else, will collapse.
That's part of why you have redundant backup systems (like HAM radio) in the
event of an emergency. True, HAM radio is not the most efficient available
today, but like in a situation like hurricane Katrina, when government,
communications, transportation, etc., have collapsed, it is a handy backup
system.
-Mindraker


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Canada want to drop the code! Hamguy Swap 65 May 5th 05 02:31 PM
New ARRL Proposal N2EY Policy 331 March 4th 04 01:02 AM
Why You Don't Like The ARRL Louis C. LeVine General 206 January 6th 04 02:12 PM
Morse Code: One Wonders... and Begins to Think ! [ -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . ] RHF Shortwave 0 January 5th 04 03:49 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:35 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 RadioBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Radio"

 

Copyright © 2017